There are 4 different steps to learning. The problem is most people stop after the first or second step, never really learning. Just going through the motions and the knowledge is lost. In this #fireandearthpodcast we talk all things learning.
Listen in at: http://www.jasonmefford.com/fireandearthpodcast/
To learn you need a combination of knowledge, skills, abilities, and experience. We also discuss the four stages of learning as it relates to conscious vs. unconscious, and competence vs. incompetence.
Get ready to unlock your learning potential.
The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.
Transcript
1
00:00:01.260 –> 00:00:06.600
Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the fire and earth podcast, I’m your co host Kathy River.
2
00:00:06.990 –> 00:00:11.639
Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason Medford Hey everybody. I don’t know why I did a little weird.
3
00:00:12.719 –> 00:00:14.700
Jason Mefford: Voice that time, I don’t know, it’s
4
00:00:15.089 –> 00:00:16.440
Jason Mefford: A little bit more animated
5
00:00:16.740 –> 00:00:17.130
They said,
6
00:00:19.140 –> 00:00:19.440
Jason Mefford: Okay.
7
00:00:23.100 –> 00:00:29.250
Jason Mefford: All right, everybody, hopefully that made you laugh. And that was, that was a good it’s always it’s good to laugh. It’s good to laugh. Yes.
8
00:00:29.940 –> 00:00:37.590
Jason Mefford: But today, we’re not going to talk about. Laughter But we’re going to talk about another L Word, which is Lyme.
9
00:00:37.650 –> 00:00:38.070
Disease.
10
00:00:39.180 –> 00:00:39.780
Jason Mefford: Know,
11
00:00:40.260 –> 00:00:41.790
Kathy Gruver: And then tell. Oh, lemon cello.
12
00:00:41.880 –> 00:00:43.170
Kathy Gruver: Oh, I love him a cello.
13
00:00:43.440 –> 00:00:44.910
Jason Mefford: Oh, no.
14
00:00:45.210 –> 00:00:48.150
Kathy Gruver: limericks. Oh, there was a young no
15
00:00:49.140 –> 00:00:49.350
Jason Mefford: No.
16
00:00:49.590 –> 00:00:59.220
Jason Mefford: We’re going to talk about learning. Okay. And, I mean, the reason for this is, this is one of my passions is lifelong learning and
17
00:01:00.030 –> 00:01:14.010
Jason Mefford: So, I mean, I own to training companies for a reason, right, because I like to help people learn and it just surprises me how little were taught about how to learn
18
00:01:14.730 –> 00:01:22.020
Jason Mefford: In fact, unfortunately, most of the schools, you know, they, they do what they can, but we’re usually taught to memorize things
19
00:01:22.590 –> 00:01:30.270
Jason Mefford: And that’s really the worst way and the lowest form of learning. And so we thought it’d be fun to just talk a little bit about learning today.
20
00:01:30.750 –> 00:01:39.690
Jason Mefford: Because there’s actually at least kind of the way I usually talk about kind of four things you have to do to actually learn something.
21
00:01:40.500 –> 00:01:52.500
Jason Mefford: And so again, even though you’re, you’re doing a basic part of learning by listening to this podcast. If all you do is listen to it. You didn’t really quote unquote learn it.
22
00:01:52.980 –> 00:01:54.210
Jason Mefford: Okay, so
23
00:01:54.870 –> 00:02:01.290
Kathy Gruver: Well, and the other thing that we have to remember. And I know we’ve talked about this is how people learn is it visual, auditory or kinesthetic
24
00:02:01.920 –> 00:02:10.740
Kathy Gruver: You put on an audiobook, you might as well play white noise. I’m not going to get anything out of that unless I’m really trying hard
25
00:02:11.670 –> 00:02:15.000
Kathy Gruver: And it’s funny, my boyfriend was trying to explain something to me. And he was just talking
26
00:02:15.720 –> 00:02:22.080
Kathy Gruver: And I finally said it’s not, you know, can you show me what you’re talking about. And so we were on a hike. And so we started we had rocks.
27
00:02:22.320 –> 00:02:30.630
Kathy Gruver: And he showed me what he meant the kinesthetic visual of if this does that then this comes forward we’re playing with strategic almost like risk sort of game online.
28
00:02:31.020 –> 00:02:33.030
Kathy Gruver: And it took him doing rocks.
29
00:02:33.240 –> 00:02:44.100
Kathy Gruver: To show me how this was working before I would actually grasp or rock what he was saying. So make sure as a side note, make sure you’re really tapping into your type of learning, it’ll make it easier for you.
30
00:02:44.940 –> 00:02:49.890
Jason Mefford: Well, and because you were use the word. Show me. I’m guessing that you’re predominantly a visual learner.
31
00:02:50.160 –> 00:02:51.330
Kathy Gruver: Is what kind of static. Yep.
32
00:02:51.420 –> 00:02:53.970
Kathy Gruver: Talking it made too many words, I’m not getting the
33
00:02:53.970 –> 00:02:55.470
Kathy Gruver: Word out right so even
34
00:02:55.830 –> 00:03:01.230
Jason Mefford: So here we’ll throw it will throw in a little tip here for everybody at the beginning. Right. Cuz, cuz like Kathy said it’s important
35
00:03:01.770 –> 00:03:14.010
Jason Mefford: That you that you kind of realize we all learn through all three of those ways right and so you can remember vac VA K visual, auditory kinesthetic vac right
36
00:03:15.570 –> 00:03:26.640
Jason Mefford: But, but there’s even, even though you may be learning through one of the means that’s not as not as predominant for you. So let’s take, let’s take that example of the audio book.
37
00:03:27.900 –> 00:03:46.950
Jason Mefford: As you’re listening to the audio book if you focus your attention on the book and try to actually visualize a little bit of what’s going on in the book, even just in your mind, even if your eyes aren’t closed, you’re not seeing like, you know, bright pictures of stuff happening.
38
00:03:46.980 –> 00:03:49.500
Kathy Gruver: Which is good because I tend to listen to him in the car so
39
00:03:49.770 –> 00:03:51.870
Jason Mefford: Yeah, don’t close your eyes in the car.
40
00:03:51.900 –> 00:03:57.570
Jason Mefford: Yeah, no. That’d be but but even some little visualization of the things that are going on.
41
00:03:58.080 –> 00:04:01.830
Jason Mefford: You know, like one example I use is with the word pop popery
42
00:04:03.240 –> 00:04:13.680
Jason Mefford: Right. And if you if you visualize a pot pouring as you hear the word potpourri. It helps you to remember it better.
43
00:04:14.130 –> 00:04:15.240
Kathy Gruver: In fact, it actually helps you
44
00:04:15.720 –> 00:04:18.420
Jason Mefford: Remember how to spell the word to because
45
00:04:18.420 –> 00:04:19.080
Jason Mefford: It’s pot.
46
00:04:19.110 –> 00:04:19.560
Kathy Gruver: That’s true.
47
00:04:19.650 –> 00:04:20.340
Or
48
00:04:21.480 –> 00:04:25.200
Jason Mefford: RI is how you spell it pot poor RI
49
00:04:26.640 –> 00:04:26.940
Jason Mefford: Anyway,
50
00:04:27.030 –> 00:04:38.670
Kathy Gruver: One so funny, because when you say pot popery I smell like I can smell what that potpourri would be smell like if it was boiling on the stove. So it’s so interesting the way we
51
00:04:39.750 –> 00:04:43.140
Jason Mefford: Let’s answer that’s why most of the people talk about back
52
00:04:43.290 –> 00:04:44.700
Jason Mefford: visual, auditory kinesthetic
53
00:04:44.700 –> 00:04:44.910
Kathy Gruver: Yeah.
54
00:04:45.330 –> 00:04:50.250
Jason Mefford: Which again three of the five senses when you bring in the other senses like smell.
55
00:04:51.330 –> 00:04:52.860
Jason Mefford: And in touch.
56
00:04:52.980 –> 00:04:57.150
Jason Mefford: You know as or kinesthetic touch just kind of this that you know but but
57
00:04:58.500 –> 00:05:04.800
Jason Mefford: It’s, it’s the, the more of your senses that you can bring into your learning, the more you’re actually going to learn. Yeah.
58
00:05:05.130 –> 00:05:12.300
Kathy Gruver: And this was, I believe, ends you talked about school they have you just memorize things by rote so much of learning in school was just
59
00:05:12.600 –> 00:05:22.440
Kathy Gruver: Auditory especially something like math. I still to this day cannot do word problems. I don’t want to get on a train. I don’t want to know what it crosses in Baltimore. And how many times it takes to get there and
60
00:05:23.070 –> 00:05:24.420
Kathy Gruver: Just terrifies the crap out of me.
61
00:05:24.720 –> 00:05:28.020
Kathy Gruver: Why, why is this my job, but they don’t have schedules. I don’t understand trains anyway.
62
00:05:28.620 –> 00:05:35.910
Kathy Gruver: They would just talk about it, you know, this conceptual stuff that they would just talk about and my brains going disconnect disconnect disconnect
63
00:05:36.390 –> 00:05:43.110
Kathy Gruver: If you showed me what you were talking about, then I could get that better. You know, it was just, it was a weird situation from a trying to learn
64
00:05:44.370 –> 00:05:46.350
Jason Mefford: Well, and it’s kind of funny because it’s um
65
00:05:48.900 –> 00:05:56.760
Jason Mefford: There’s there’s little tips and tricks that you can learn to, you know, instead of. So for example, let’s let’s take the rote memorization. Right.
66
00:05:57.420 –> 00:06:11.850
Jason Mefford: Usually in school, they would tell you, you know, when did Columbus, you know, come to America. Well, he came in 14 do you need to remember 1492 1492 1492 write it down 1492 1492
67
00:06:12.750 –> 00:06:23.010
Jason Mefford: And after a while after, after long enough, you can probably get it right, but it’s it’s easier to actually do some little learning hacks like this one, Columbus sailed the ocean blue
68
00:06:23.010 –> 00:06:23.160
Or
69
00:06:24.600 –> 00:06:36.960
Jason Mefford: Two. Okay. You knew that, too. Right, that’s it’s that’s a much easier way to remember the 1492 because you’re bringing in a rhyming, or you’re kind of creating a little song out of that.
70
00:06:37.530 –> 00:06:47.370
Jason Mefford: Will help you now to remember. So all you have to do is Christopher Columbus boom you know sailed the ocean blue and 1400 and 92 right we got the rhymes on the
71
00:06:47.940 –> 00:06:49.290
Kathy Gruver: But here’s my question.
72
00:06:51.030 –> 00:06:51.750
Kathy Gruver: Who cares.
73
00:06:52.380 –> 00:06:53.430
Jason Mefford: About Columbus and 14
74
00:06:54.840 –> 00:06:58.050
Kathy Gruver: The stuff that I have. I’ve not had to use that at all today.
75
00:06:59.130 –> 00:07:00.900
Kathy Gruver: No one today was like Kathy.
76
00:07:01.260 –> 00:07:03.180
Jason Mefford: When did Columbus come to America.
77
00:07:03.930 –> 00:07:12.450
Kathy Gruver: Because he wasn’t the whole debate about that I get into the politics that but i mean it’s like the things that they were having us learn have no bearing on my life today.
78
00:07:13.050 –> 00:07:16.470
Kathy Gruver: You didn’t teach us how to balance a checkbook, do your taxes communicate with your spouse.
79
00:07:16.830 –> 00:07:26.910
Kathy Gruver: Discuss your needs have good strong psychology have good critical thinking they had us memorize these stupid things that have no bearing on our lives today, unless somebody stops you on the street.
80
00:07:27.150 –> 00:07:37.530
Kathy Gruver: During a game show and tries to make you look stupid because you don’t remember when Columbus sailed the ocean blue, you know, so it’s like learning to me has to be customized well we’ve got off. I have anyway learning
81
00:07:37.860 –> 00:07:44.100
Kathy Gruver: To customize to who we are and what we need to function in life. Well, I’m going to be a historian or a
82
00:07:44.790 –> 00:07:46.650
Kathy Gruver: Sales boat.
83
00:07:47.310 –> 00:07:48.630
Jason Mefford: Where am I going with sales but
84
00:07:48.840 –> 00:07:50.220
Kathy Gruver: A maritime person that’s what it is.
85
00:07:50.580 –> 00:07:52.410
Kathy Gruver: That I need to know when Columbus a sailing.
86
00:07:52.800 –> 00:08:01.920
Kathy Gruver: But other than that, you know, we’re told to memorize these things that are taking up space in our brains. They don’t actually have bearing on real life, which always confused me as a kid. And I kind of rebelled against that I think
87
00:08:02.670 –> 00:08:07.950
Jason Mefford: Well, and that’s why because because to me it goes along with these four things I’m going to talk about here, right.
88
00:08:08.580 –> 00:08:08.910
Kathy Gruver: Go ahead.
89
00:08:08.970 –> 00:08:15.270
Jason Mefford: We’re gonna, we’re going to, where do we get to this because actually it’s, it’s, you know, interesting what you said so. So when you think about
90
00:08:16.140 –> 00:08:23.250
Jason Mefford: Learning in general there’s really kind of three things that you need to have for you to want to learn to begin with. Okay.
91
00:08:23.820 –> 00:08:34.590
Jason Mefford: And then once these things are kind of in place where you have these skills. Then if you think about the Learning Path process. There’s really kind of four steps that you would go through so
92
00:08:34.830 –> 00:08:37.170
Jason Mefford: But before you have to have motivation.
93
00:08:38.010 –> 00:08:47.820
Jason Mefford: Mindset and methods to help you with learning, right. So again, if you’re not motivated to learn when Columbus came to America.
94
00:08:48.270 –> 00:09:01.140
Jason Mefford: It’s going to be really difficult for you to remember that, right, because again it doesn’t motivate you. There’s nothing. Along with that, you know, the mindset goes into again some of the things around you know
95
00:09:02.160 –> 00:09:07.560
Jason Mefford: Literally the, the way you kind of set your mindset when you are learning
96
00:09:07.950 –> 00:09:17.880
Jason Mefford: Yep, helps you to go directly into your subconscious and then the methods are some of these different skills that you can use to be able to help you remember things like
97
00:09:18.240 –> 00:09:29.850
Jason Mefford: You know, Columbus sailed the ocean blue and 1400 92 that’s a method to be able to help you learn those things. Now the learning process actually is you’re gathering knowledge.
98
00:09:30.660 –> 00:09:40.740
Jason Mefford: skills, competencies, or what some people sometimes referred to as abilities and then through experience that is how we actually learn
99
00:09:41.520 –> 00:09:53.670
Jason Mefford: So if you think about and kind of break down each of those right so even, you know, everybody listening to the podcast today. Right. Well, we’re we’re providing you with knowledge but knowledge by itself doesn’t mean you’ve learned it.
100
00:09:54.900 –> 00:10:05.700
Jason Mefford: We’ve given you a little skill in our little Columbus example right there’s a skill that you can learn and apply, you know, against the knowledge that you have
101
00:10:06.270 –> 00:10:12.780
Jason Mefford: But that first part, the knowledge and the skills are usually given to you in school or in the training or whatever you’re doing.
102
00:10:13.440 –> 00:10:22.530
Jason Mefford: Somebody else’s providing that to you. The last part of it, the abilities or competencies and the experience side of it is your responsibility.
103
00:10:23.130 –> 00:10:32.850
Jason Mefford: And what I find is most people stop with the first two. That’s why they don’t ever actually learn a lot of stuff because they’re not doing the active part on their side.
104
00:10:33.540 –> 00:10:47.820
Jason Mefford: So in that abilities or competency area it’s, you know, again, part of that is kind of the integration, it’s looking at the knowledge, it’s looking at the skills that you create it and applying it to yourself. Right.
105
00:10:48.870 –> 00:11:01.920
Jason Mefford: It’s integrating it it’s figuring out based on this knowledge and the skills that I’ve that I’ve gathered, how can I now incorporate that into my life to develop competencies
106
00:11:02.430 –> 00:11:13.200
Jason Mefford: Around those knowledge and skills. Right. It’s also some of the reflection, you know, because again, sometimes when you read or hear something. It’s that time of reflection.
107
00:11:13.590 –> 00:11:27.630
Jason Mefford: When things kind of hit you, you get those thunder bolt, lightning light bulb. Whatever you call them kind of ideas that come in, that’s part of your integrating those abilities or competencies. But if you don’t practice it.
108
00:11:28.230 –> 00:11:42.600
Jason Mefford: And actually have experience trying to take that knowledge those skills and those competencies or abilities that you developed and actually practice it and you’re not going to fully learn it either. So you’ve got to go through the whole process.
109
00:11:42.840 –> 00:11:52.260
Kathy Gruver: Well, and it’s interesting when I was growing up, I was in dance class and you know we would learn these ballet skills, where he would tell us the name of it in French, which we had to memorize
110
00:11:52.560 –> 00:12:01.920
Kathy Gruver: We had to do the scale over and over and over again till that it was just by rote. I know, I still know what a petite Buckmaster Dakota PA is I know how to do that. It’s ingrained
111
00:12:02.520 –> 00:12:05.640
Jason Mefford: LITTLE SOMETHING, BUT I DON’T WANT THE REST OF THE WORDS me, but my
112
00:12:05.970 –> 00:12:14.520
Kathy Gruver: Small beats with the foot on the leg. Keep up mustered up the fact that I just rolled out off. There is something else.
113
00:12:15.210 –> 00:12:26.190
Kathy Gruver: But I remember, there would be times in the acrobatics class where it was, he would show us how to do the skill, but we had to prove to him. We could do it three times in a row.
114
00:12:26.580 –> 00:12:33.840
Kathy Gruver: Or we couldn’t. Check that off to say we learned it. So there have been times with the trapeze. Now, it’s like, I’ll do a skill and I was like, Yeah, you got it. And I’m like,
115
00:12:34.680 –> 00:12:35.670
Jason Mefford: No, I didn’t get it yet.
116
00:12:35.850 –> 00:12:44.730
Kathy Gruver: If I can’t. That was a fluke. If I can’t do it 10 times in a row. I don’t got it. And now that we’re not doing any trapeze because of, you know, having to stay at home.
117
00:12:45.090 –> 00:12:55.290
Kathy Gruver: Who knows where my skill level is I’m going to have to relearn and retrain my body to do a lot of that stuff. Just like math. Oh god, you know, back to the math. It’s like, I tried to figure out a percentage of the other day.
118
00:12:57.090 –> 00:13:00.300
Kathy Gruver: What do you think stuffers going that one over that one.
119
00:13:00.990 –> 00:13:07.260
Kathy Gruver: Finally, Google how to do a percentage again because I couldn’t remember how to do it. I don’t use that every day. You know, so it is you’re
120
00:13:07.620 –> 00:13:18.450
Kathy Gruver: You’re right. It’s about that competency and that experience and doing those things now with something like driving. We don’t have to think about how to do that. We just automatically it’s become automatic for us. So what are those four ways
121
00:13:19.290 –> 00:13:25.260
Jason Mefford: There’s actually four different ways that you can think about this or kind of stages that people go through as well.
122
00:13:25.470 –> 00:13:28.320
Jason Mefford: Yes, I got you, got you got them. You want to go through and then
123
00:13:28.500 –> 00:13:37.050
Kathy Gruver: Sure, so first we have unconscious in competence, you are unaware of the skill and your lack of proficiency. You don’t even know the trapeze exists.
124
00:13:37.920 –> 00:13:46.170
Kathy Gruver: Then we have conscious in competence, where you’re aware of the skill, but you’re not yet proficient. God, I wish I could do that layout. I’m going to try that sometime
125
00:13:47.340 –> 00:14:00.900
Kathy Gruver: Then we have conscious competence, where you’re able to use the skill, but only with effort. So with every swing. I’m going. Okay, I have to point my toes. I have to get my hips up, I have to, you’re doing it right. But you’re having to think through it.
126
00:14:01.740 –> 00:14:10.590
Kathy Gruver: Unconscious competence. This is awesome. I love when we get to this point. That’s where you’re performing a skill and it becomes automatic. Cathy throw a layout. Okay, and you just do it without
127
00:14:10.680 –> 00:14:27.420
Jason Mefford: Used to well and you can tell because that’s that’s the difference. You know, again, between people that have actually mastered something is is when you’re in that unconscious competence side of it you know when when a batter goes up to the plate.
128
00:14:28.500 –> 00:14:43.380
Jason Mefford: And especially a major league baseball, by the time that the pitcher releases the ball, it’s less than one second before it crosses the plate because this thing’s going anywhere between about 80 and 100 miles an hour.
129
00:14:44.700 –> 00:14:55.800
Jason Mefford: The batter doesn’t have time to consciously think on what to do. Right. And so again, that’s why they’ve gotten to this conscious
130
00:14:56.670 –> 00:15:09.120
Jason Mefford: You know, unconscious competence to where their body just reacts as it needs to, because in a split second their subconscious actually sees the ball.
131
00:15:09.540 –> 00:15:18.180
Jason Mefford: Where the pictures hand releases and everything else for them to be able to do that now that comes from sometimes years
132
00:15:18.540 –> 00:15:30.990
Jason Mefford: Of learning. But again, it’s, it’s a way for us as we’re looking at some of those, you know, knowledge and skills that we’re developing and through our experience, we improve our competency level.
133
00:15:31.260 –> 00:15:34.530
Jason Mefford: And that’s what those four phases really talk you through
134
00:15:34.800 –> 00:15:41.880
Kathy Gruver: And what’s so difficult once you reach unconscious competence is trying to teach that to someone else.
135
00:15:42.720 –> 00:15:44.610
Kathy Gruver: Because you just do it so naturally
136
00:15:44.880 –> 00:15:46.650
Kathy Gruver: I mean, how do you walk
137
00:15:48.420 –> 00:15:48.750
Kathy Gruver: If you
138
00:15:48.960 –> 00:15:50.220
Kathy Gruver: Explain to somebody
139
00:15:50.640 –> 00:16:00.810
Kathy Gruver: How do you walk because it’s not about putting one foot in front of the other. That’s not what it is, but to try to then break that down as an instructor, especially for something physical like a trapeze trick.
140
00:16:01.170 –> 00:16:05.850
Kathy Gruver: And it’s one of the things I really try to do is I try to break things down. So specifically,
141
00:16:06.240 –> 00:16:16.710
Kathy Gruver: Hey, can you grab me the lettuce. It’s on the bottom shelf to the left of the eggs like I specifically do that as an exercise because it trains me to teach better
142
00:16:16.980 –> 00:16:30.840
Kathy Gruver: And to coach better when I have the ability to step out of that unconscious competence and break it down for somebody else to do. So there are times where I’m overly not overly simple but overly explanatory
143
00:16:32.430 –> 00:16:32.670
Jason Mefford: Word.
144
00:16:33.060 –> 00:16:38.430
Kathy Gruver: In my instructions to people because it’s a practice for me to have how to explain things, you know,
145
00:16:39.540 –> 00:16:40.110
Jason Mefford: To other people
146
00:16:40.410 –> 00:16:41.310
Kathy Gruver: I have a funny story.
147
00:16:42.900 –> 00:16:43.800
Kathy Gruver: My show
148
00:16:43.980 –> 00:16:48.090
Kathy Gruver: I will. My father was incredibly good at teaching people
149
00:16:48.480 –> 00:16:57.840
Kathy Gruver: Whether it was bowling, or how to throw a football or he was very specific and his directions. So when I was a little kid, he was doing something outside and he needed me to turn the water on
150
00:16:58.290 –> 00:17:04.170
Kathy Gruver: So he said, Kathy, can you go downstairs go behind the furnace, because that wasn’t a scary thing for a kid.
151
00:17:04.590 –> 00:17:19.050
Kathy Gruver: Go behind the furnace and it hip level there’s a knob, turn it to the left, turn the water on very specific instruction. Great. Go down the stairs behind the furnace behind the furnace behind the furnace knob hip level, turn it
152
00:17:21.720 –> 00:17:34.140
Kathy Gruver: Nothing happens, tick, tick, tick behind the first backup service. He goes, Why didn’t you did you do it. And I said, Yeah, I turned the water on, like you said, Nothing happened. I did it. I knew I did it right the way he explained it. He’s like, okay, I’ll go check comes downstairs.
153
00:17:36.150 –> 00:17:38.310
Kathy Gruver: Guess where his hip level is compared to my little
154
00:17:40.950 –> 00:17:45.000
Kathy Gruver: I emptied the entire water here into the basement.
155
00:17:47.220 –> 00:17:54.990
Kathy Gruver: Because he didn’t take into account that when he said hip level. That was my head level my hip level was the low one where the hot water heater was
156
00:17:56.160 –> 00:17:58.230
Kathy Gruver: I am to the entire hot water heater into the basement.
157
00:17:59.070 –> 00:18:07.080
Jason Mefford: Good lesson good lesson. Yeah. But yeah, you know, even and even as you know you did what he was asking you to do.
158
00:18:07.080 –> 00:18:07.380
Kathy Gruver: Right.
159
00:18:07.560 –> 00:18:15.450
Jason Mefford: So, so again, a little hack on learning. Like we talked before about, think back on the back, visual, auditory kinesthetic right
160
00:18:15.930 –> 00:18:25.740
Jason Mefford: And I keep doing that on purpose. Folks, because you’re going to remember it better vac the AK Chungking down as another way to try to learn. It’s another skill set that we can talk about later. Maybe, but
161
00:18:27.720 –> 00:18:37.650
Jason Mefford: But, you know, as he was giving you those instructions because you’re a visual person probably in your mind. You weren’t just trying to memorize what he was saying.
162
00:18:38.130 –> 00:18:49.590
Jason Mefford: But as he’s giving you those directions. He said, Cathy go down the stairs in your mind you’re thinking of yourself walking down the stairs. Go to the furnace. You know where the furnace is you’re visualizing the furnace. Yep.
163
00:18:49.800 –> 00:19:01.740
Jason Mefford: Totally, you know, and the more that he does that you’re actually processing that visually and it’s actually helping you to learn and be able to go and do what it is that you needed to do.
164
00:19:02.220 –> 00:19:03.660
Kathy Gruver: Yep. And do you have any
165
00:19:04.350 –> 00:19:07.470
Kathy Gruver: Idea Jason and maybe we don’t. This is something we could look up
166
00:19:08.130 –> 00:19:23.190
Kathy Gruver: Where we get whether we’re visual, auditory or kinesthetic because my father was an incredibly visual kinesthetic person and he taught me pretty much how to do everything. Do we shoot out of the womb learning a certain way or does that come from, how we’re taught by our primary caregivers.
167
00:19:23.940 –> 00:19:28.860
Jason Mefford: I don’t know the exact on it, there’s probably some nature and some nurture side of it.
168
00:19:30.900 –> 00:19:38.190
Jason Mefford: Probably more of it is nature than nurture. But, but what we can do as well as we can learn and we can adapt.
169
00:19:38.250 –> 00:19:38.850
Jason Mefford: As well.
170
00:19:39.150 –> 00:19:51.120
Jason Mefford: I mean, this is another thing that we’ve learned, you know, the last 20 years is the brain. People that your brain stopped developing at about eight years old. Yeah, and that’s just bullshit or hey, your brain is
171
00:19:51.240 –> 00:19:54.540
Jason Mefford: very resilient, it does change you can train
172
00:19:54.540 –> 00:19:57.270
Jason Mefford: It, you can do all these kind of things are oh plasticity.
173
00:19:57.300 –> 00:20:12.300
Jason Mefford: Neuro plasticity and, you know, but with it, usually people are have a predominant way that they choose to learn, even though. Like I said, we all use all of them. In fact, we use smell.
174
00:20:12.900 –> 00:20:13.530
Kathy Gruver: As well.
175
00:20:14.100 –> 00:20:22.110
Jason Mefford: Even though people don’t normally talk about that in fact because use it. That’s more of a, you know, corporate or school environment and
176
00:20:22.470 –> 00:20:30.570
Jason Mefford: People aren’t pulling out, you know, cinnamon sticks and doing other stuff at school, necessarily, but but that is another way that we learn as well.
177
00:20:30.930 –> 00:20:46.440
Jason Mefford: There are some, you know, if usually most people when you kind of talk to them and you see the words that they’re using. You can kind of tell what your predominant learning styles are. Yeah. You know, like you said, you said, well, show me how it works.
178
00:20:46.500 –> 00:20:49.470
Jason Mefford: Okay, if somebody says Show me how you show me.
179
00:20:49.560 –> 00:21:06.120
Jason Mefford: Right, if somebody says, Tell me, okay, they’re probably auditory. Yeah, right. And so again we can start to learn kind of predominantly what we are and then use that in in how we’re learning as well.
180
00:21:06.180 –> 00:21:09.900
Jason Mefford: But you can like I said you can use all up and even, even though your visual
181
00:21:10.680 –> 00:21:12.540
Jason Mefford: If you’re listening to audio.
182
00:21:13.590 –> 00:21:24.420
Jason Mefford: visualizing a little bit about what you’re being told helps you still kind of remember that better than if you were to just sit there and try to remember and memorize what’s being said
183
00:21:24.690 –> 00:21:30.630
Kathy Gruver: Right, absolutely. Well, this is one of the reasons I like watching CNN, other than my completely unnatural crush on Anderson Cooper.
184
00:21:31.620 –> 00:21:33.060
Kathy Gruver: Because I listened to the guests.
185
00:21:33.180 –> 00:21:37.830
Kathy Gruver: And they they typically start their sentences, one of two ways. There’ll be asked a question and the personal gut look
186
00:21:38.160 –> 00:21:47.460
Kathy Gruver: Blah, blah, blah. Or they’ll say, Listen, I hear you, you know, or I feel ya I, you know, it’s pretty rare that I say I hear you, because that’s an auditory language and
187
00:21:48.000 –> 00:21:59.940
Kathy Gruver: The other thing is if you have the ability to listen to, to notice to observe what the other person does, you can match their communication style and you’re gonna get your message across better. That’s a whole you know
188
00:22:01.470 –> 00:22:08.610
Kathy Gruver: NLP thing is matching that person’s speaking style so that you are learning style. So you get your point across better
189
00:22:10.380 –> 00:22:11.490
Kathy Gruver: I think we’ve once again.
190
00:22:12.030 –> 00:22:12.630
Jason Mefford: Well, through
191
00:22:14.760 –> 00:22:15.870
Kathy Gruver: Hey, you know what I learned.
192
00:22:15.870 –> 00:22:19.410
Kathy Gruver: Today is Columbus sailed the ocean blue and 1400 and 92
193
00:22:20.310 –> 00:22:21.750
Jason Mefford: He did. Well, you did before.
194
00:22:21.930 –> 00:22:23.190
Kathy Gruver: So today.
195
00:22:23.490 –> 00:22:24.480
Kathy Gruver: And everything I do.
196
00:22:25.530 –> 00:22:32.190
Kathy Gruver: I see. Here’s what’s funny, I couldn’t remember every joke I’ve ever been told, I have a massive database of jokes.
197
00:22:33.570 –> 00:22:34.680
Jason Mefford: Because it’s important to you.
198
00:22:34.740 –> 00:22:36.030
Kathy Gruver: But I can’t remember what I did.
199
00:22:39.030 –> 00:22:41.580
Jason Mefford: THAT’S ALL RIGHT, WE NEED JOKES more than what you did 20 minutes ago.
200
00:22:43.020 –> 00:22:45.540
Kathy Gruver: I could have done something bad when I was with you 20 minutes ago. So
201
00:22:46.560 –> 00:22:47.970
Jason Mefford: We were doing a podcast 20 minutes go
202
00:22:48.960 –> 00:22:51.300
Jason Mefford: You know what you’re doing 20 minutes. I know.
203
00:22:53.430 –> 00:22:56.100
Kathy Gruver: The sun is just following me no matter where I go. Yeah.
204
00:22:58.500 –> 00:22:59.310
Jason Mefford: Yep, yep, yep.
205
00:23:03.780 –> 00:23:06.060
Jason Mefford: Thank you for coming down now.
206
00:23:07.320 –> 00:23:08.400
Jason Mefford: Alright, so everybody
207
00:23:09.480 –> 00:23:16.170
Jason Mefford: You know so little, little recap again, you know, if you really want to learn stuff. It’s more than just getting the knowledge from reading
208
00:23:16.590 –> 00:23:22.050
Jason Mefford: Or learning a couple of skills, you actually have to integrate these things do your part of it by
209
00:23:22.830 –> 00:23:29.880
Jason Mefford: You know, trying to develop those abilities and competencies kind of those for that we went through as you kind of move up with that.
210
00:23:30.240 –> 00:23:37.590
Jason Mefford: And that comes through experience. So if you really want to learn stuff you actually got to do your part.
211
00:23:38.280 –> 00:23:54.540
Jason Mefford: But when you do, then you’ll actually learn it. And then when some crazy guy on a podcast says, When did Columbus, you know, come to America, you’re going to remember 1492 because of that silly little song that we were both taught as children in school.
212
00:23:56.370 –> 00:23:57.030
Kathy Gruver: Yes.
213
00:23:58.020 –> 00:24:12.870
Kathy Gruver: That’s, that’s all I gotta say about that. Yes, and I love learning. I’m a lifetime learner as well. So the more I can know the more it not only benefits me and keeps my brain going, but it also helps other people because we can pass on our knowledge to the people around us. So go forth
214
00:24:14.040 –> 00:24:15.450
Kathy Gruver: Learn today. Learn something new.
215
00:24:16.590 –> 00:24:25.530
Jason Mefford: And share it because, again, like you, like you said, they’re actually sharing and teaching other people what you have learned is one of the best ways to actually remember
216
00:24:25.800 –> 00:24:27.750
Jason Mefford: Yeah, and learn and learn yourself.
217
00:24:28.080 –> 00:24:31.830
Kathy Gruver: Absolutely. Cool. This has been a fabulous when I love this. I’m going to go learn something new.
218
00:24:32.010 –> 00:24:34.770
Kathy Gruver: I’m Kathy gruver I can be reached a category where calm.
219
00:24:35.190 –> 00:24:45.150
Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so go out learn. Have a great week and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and our podcast. So, yeah.
220
00:24:45.540 –> 00:24:45.960
Yeah.
