We are joined again by Karl Smith from the UK Hypnosis Academy to discuss the 5 elements or steps to hypnosis. 1. pre-talk, 2. induction, 3. deepens, 4. suggestion, and 5. emergence and how hypnosis.
If you haven’t listened to the previous episode with Karl on “How the Worst Day of My Life Turned into The Best Day of My Life” make sure to listen to it first, since this is a continuation from some questions and discussion at the end of that episode that we didn’t have enough time to answer and see how even within 30 seconds someone can get into hypnotic trance.
In this episode you might even see Karl hypnotize Jason 🙂
We are joined by Karl Smith from the UK Hypnosis Academy. Learn more at: https://ukhypnosisacademy.co.uk/ and check out Karl’s YouTube channel and subscribe at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9JEF3cMxzZ0IdFTMyNyf-w/
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Transcript
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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the podcast, I’m your co host Jason method.
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Kathy Gruver: And I’m Cathy Cooper and we are thrilled to have another amazing
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Kathy Gruver: Show. Today, all the way from the UK Carl
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Karl Smith: How are you
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Jason Mefford: Good, good, good.
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Kathy Gruver: So Carl has not only an amazing program that he teaches, but he’s got a pretty unique background as to how he got into hypnosis, as we all do we have a history.
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Kathy Gruver: But Carl, we’re hoping you could share a little bit of your story and about overcoming and trauma and all sorts of stuff like that. So go ahead and dive in and we’ll have a bunch of questions for you.
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Karl Smith: Yeah. Cool. So again, thanks very much guys for having a song. So for the view is what I’m gonna do is I’m going to take you through a journey of how the worst day of my life became the best day of my life so
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Karl Smith: I’m from a small rural town in England on the East Coast. I live. Actually, I live close to Holland on my family house is closer to Holland is London. That’s how close I am on fire. I am on the east coast.
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Karl Smith: And yeah, so it’s quite a small rural town, nothing much, really going on a tip officiate and you know the Old Harbor thing that went on as a kid, nothing really inspired me and always wanted to join the army so
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Karl Smith: I spent all my youth, not given not caring about school. I’ll be brutally honest, it was like, yeah, fried exam papers away and causing as much trouble as I could because I’ve made my mind up where I was going to go so
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Karl Smith: When I when I finished a couple of apprenticeships, it was still going through my head that I want to join the army and I did. And eventually I did join the army.
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Karl Smith: And I did 12 years in the British Army and I went to all the places that your policy representatives definitely won’t send you to do. I’ve been to all the sandy places I’ve been Kosovo’s the balls me is the bulk inside of things that on the Afghan tours, they’ve done the
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Karl Smith: The Iraq stuff. And what else have I done northern islands. I’ve done all of that. So I came out on a lot of
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Karl Smith: Lot of different tools, I’d seen the worst of humanity and obviously the best of humanity as well so
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Karl Smith: I’ve seen some really good human humanitarian type of things but also seen ethnic cleansing on the same side. So I’d seen a lot of stuff in my, in my time I’ve been shut up blown up spot on paste on any time.
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Kathy Gruver: Friday night.
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Jason Mefford: I was gonna say that’s reading at the pub.
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Karl Smith: Right, yeah. I am for me.
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Karl Smith: I just locked myself away and do that stuff, but the
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Karl Smith: I yeah so I bet I did 12 years and, you know, I loved it, but I just had enough. I’ve got burnt out from it all and I decided to leave. So I planned.
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Karl Smith: In my head that I was going to leave. And what happened was is
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Karl Smith: About a year. Right. So you have to give a rocky years. Notice, really, when you’re in the military, just to say you’re going to come out so you sign off, and when I signed off and then apply to join the UK, one of the UK police forces.
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Karl Smith: So what happened was, as it came along came along and I planned it and planned it and with some great bosses in the Army they realized that there was going to be a bit of overlap. So I left the army on the third of sep tember and joined the place on the fifth of September.
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Karl Smith: So that was continuity for you. Yeah, so
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Karl Smith: Have Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth, she can pay me money for 24 all my career. So basically I left on the Friday had the Saturday off to one pack pack and wash and then leave on
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Karl Smith: Sunday to go to the place where I was joining So note there was. It was never
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Karl Smith: It was never ending. So I joined the police force and I thoroughly enjoyed it and I went through and then became a swat Officer for the UK people a firearms officer for our friends overseas is SWAT officers. So just put a differentiation in there. I was dealing with all the high end
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Karl Smith: Tactics. So I was doing all that all the the tactical stuff around cars building entries, all that type of stuff. So I was
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Karl Smith: You know, kiddo. And we were doing some really high end tactical stuff and really good fun. And I loved it. And then I became an instructor
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Karl Smith: I became what they call a national FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR so I was teaching people how to do these tactics and how to do the firearms and how to do all that. So I shoot teach people how to shoot pistols.
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Karl Smith: Long rifles tactics on cars tactics on buildings tactics aircraft, you name it. I did all that and it was brilliant. I loved it, but then
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Karl Smith: What happened was is it in on August the fourth 2006 2006 2006 what happened was is that I just got home from
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Karl Smith: From being on duty or still in my my uniform. I was minding my own business WALKED IN THE DOORS greeted by my little in
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Karl Smith: And I did something that I don’t normally do I do now, Kathy knows
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Karl Smith: But I’ve walked in and I grabbed a beer I don’t drink it wasn’t on June the next don’t always out in my head. You never drink the night before God just one of those things you don’t want to
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Karl Smith: Read on a couple of share that, you know, every couple of drinks is no point. So I finished my shifts pop talking about certainly drinking away and the next minute is an almighty crash at the front and and I was like,
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Karl Smith: That. So I went outside went into police mode, while certainly my net and there we are in in our front in the front of our house is our next door’s
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Karl Smith: Is a Mitsubishi call, which is, I think, is a European Car anyways me species short four seater car. Anyway, run around the front and I went to the right side of the card, ladies and gentlemen, we went from
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Karl Smith: Yeah we designed this shit so
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Karl Smith: I went ran to the driver side that makes it easier when it ran to the driver side they make when I’m doing the explanation. After explain us what I’m using my left hand side.
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Karl Smith: Here. Well, and I noticed there was a young lad in there but I noticed there was a young lad in there right hand on the steering wheel for some unforeseen reason. I don’t know why did it. I just did.
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Karl Smith: A wrap my head around it. And then I tried to help in the best I could from driving off and I was hitting him I was head button in three the window of doing everything
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Karl Smith: The current wheels was still spinning and there was people screaming around me. I was doing the best I could, but unfortunately the brick wall collapsed track me underneath the car. They dragged me
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Karl Smith: They reckon I reckon around 80 yards. And the reason they found that is because they found my pants have to get this right for the American market my pants, my trousers.
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Karl Smith: And my underwear at 90 yards backwards. That’s where they found my close so so I laid there in a naked mess battered and bruised and God knows what else. I knew that something tragic happened, but I couldn’t quite get my head round, because a lot was going on in my head at the time.
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Karl Smith: And then I heard this massive revenue and then bang it comes in again and hits me again. But at least he did something to polite for me that night he drove me all the way home. He took me all the way over drop me off back home again. So he’s got. I thought I really wasn’t quite nice fella.
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Karl Smith: Oh yeah so um I burn marks. I’d say there’s damage to my
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Karl Smith: My Kelly’s was snapped move like that may have a heel bone with snap moon teller and he kept was jumping off to the wrong side. My to be figure dumb.
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Karl Smith: Female was flexed lumbar region was damaged wanted to appear got caught out as well forearms. We’ve done as well got tattoos on their to cover up scars. I wish I’d done it.
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Karl Smith: But on the same token, damage repair fractures. So yeah, you give me a complete mess so
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Karl Smith: I’m there. I was minding my own business in my front room on it. So I didn’t. The same thing and ended up getting run over twice in one sitting. So most people don’t do that. But most people don’t do that in their life. I managed to do it.
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Karl Smith: So when
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Karl Smith: We drove off and left me for dead ambulance crew turns up helicopters not turn up and and they want to search. And if they don’t find that they don’t find the car for two days.
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Karl Smith: I’m sorry. No, they found the car within two hours. They didn’t find the guy and for another two days, and he was he was in like what we call a pill box, he was hiding in what we used to have in the Second World War, big concrete tolerance.
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Karl Smith: On the beach front and all that law, he was he was hidden in those and
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Karl Smith: Get yeah they got him anyway. And the only good news or heard about it was is that they flush them out with a dog.
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Karl Smith: Person anyway.
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Karl Smith: Because that’d be annoying. But anyway, so when I started on the process of healing. So obviously body was in plaster casts end up coming out of hospital after a little bit of time.
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Karl Smith: And they gave me what’s called a pre gambling and terminal know if you don’t know what the US call is it traveled all over there.
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Kathy Gruver: At all. They gave me that from my back written lovely
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Kathy Gruver: That knocks me on my ass.
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Karl Smith: I’m going to talk about that in a moment because it’s an opiate based drug that makes you addicted and that comes up next.
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Kathy Gruver: Oh Tramadol is not an opiate it’s a narcotic but not least.
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Karl Smith: Yeah, anyway, whatever it is, it’s a
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Karl Smith: Lovely. Yeah.
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Karl Smith: And what happened was is that my physical pain was there, so they gave me the travel all over gambling and paracetamol and all that type of stuff to try and calm that down.
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Karl Smith: And then after a couple of months they realized that I wanted more Tramadol I was eating Tramadol like it is like it was really going out of fashion. And like I was just spaced out on it all the time. I just absolutely caned on. I was just literally just eaten it
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Karl Smith: Tramadol and jack Daniels where my coping mechanisms, because I didn’t know. So the
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Karl Smith: Police force with at the time. Got me sometimes.
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Kathy Gruver: When I ask you a question about that Carl so
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Kathy Gruver: What was going through your head at that point, I mean from an emotional standpoint. Did you feel like you’ve never get better. Did you have any emotion, because you’re recovering it up with them the meds Dominic What was going through your mind at that point.
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Karl Smith: But the key thing is, is that what happened was is
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Karl Smith: I didn’t know anything about hypnosis hypnotherapy clients and CVT, I mean, my experience in the military is if we saw anything that like ethnic cleansing or, you know, when we were in Kosovo, when we saw
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Karl Smith: Things that weren’t pleasant when we were in Northern Ireland we saw things that weren’t plays in the best way to get around it was drink lager. And that was what they did. They just gave you a logger. So I actually thought that there was no other way.
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Kathy Gruver: Covered all up.
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Karl Smith: Yeah, just my coping mechanism was you drink and eat Tramadol back visit and I thought, well, that that’s the rest of your life.
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Karl Smith: And and it went down that road there for a long time, then adopters. Right. No, you’re not having any more Tramadol I started kicking off at the doctors, bearing in mind them it
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Karl Smith: Was a happy go lucky fellow now. I mean, the doctors surgery threatening to punches phase three because he won’t give me any more Tramadol so now I’m now I’m
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Karl Smith: Basically a drug addict and that’s what happened. And so the force realized they were really good. The force of really good so they they got me a counselor. But before I start this
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Karl Smith: Counselor CVT is not a change workers. This is my personal opinion. I don’t believe that everyone shit but I’m not gonna, I’m not going to tell a story that makes saying crap. I went to a counselor and
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Karl Smith: And one of the first questions that was asked was, is it tell me how it feels to be run over and I sat down when. What did you just
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Jason Mefford: Hurts
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Jason Mefford: Say,
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Karl Smith: What did you just say to me, anyway. But tell me what it feels like to be one over and over and I got really angry. Anyway, I’ll see you. You’ve got lots of anger and I went that excuse me people. I’m not gonna say, I said that
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Karl Smith: I’m not fucking angry about the car accident. I’m not angry you because you’ve just done something. It didn’t need to be done. You didn’t he wasn’t necessary for that. And so anyway, I had a brazen right with Him threaten to fill him in a friendly give him.
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Karl Smith: Give me some as well and I was
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Karl Smith: And now looking back, I was justified, I may have gone over the top, but I was justified in what I said, I believe, is that it was a poor performance from anyway they
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Karl Smith: Got rid of that one. And he went to see BT cognitive behavioral therapy or cognitive behavioral torture it whatever you want to talk, talk about it.
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Kathy Gruver: So,
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Karl Smith: What happened was I just couldn’t go around in circles are just getting going in circles and that and all I can do is getting worse and worse and worse and
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Karl Smith: I swear I’m not doing any of that. So film and life was over. I really did. I felt like I’ve been pretty sleepy taping for the counseling. Next stop, really jump off a big frame bridge.
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Karl Smith: So I went off, nobody wanted to go do that. So I drove off drink a bottle of jack Daniels. I’m going to throw myself a bridge, but that’s Kathy knows me well. Anyway, I’m not stupid that I couldn’t even get over the bridge power pick due to the fact that jacket got caught.
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Karl Smith: And then, and then, long story short is is it two hands come over the top Ramsey serving police officer that see me on CCTV trying to get over a bridge parapet over the PowerPoint over
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Karl Smith: And anyone in England. If you look at the all well bridge the bridge. That was one of Toronto good for, for I think it’s about 400 foot drop it anywhere. I know that much other than more than tourists me ankle. Anyway, so, so
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Karl Smith: I’ve got dragged over a couple of cars turned up and then they were like Jesus, you know, his car. What the fuck is going on here, what you know.
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Karl Smith: This is the happy go lucky car. He’s now you know. And anyway, so the job decided to up it down and just helped me out a little bit more because I didn’t know where to go. I didn’t know what to look at
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Karl Smith: And then a fellow police officer who was a hypnotist said I’ll intervene. Well, actually I think the forsake. Can you go over and go see call
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Karl Smith: The Long story short, is he came around and he talked to me about hypnosis and I’m like I mentioned at very beginning I’m from a seaside town. So the only thing that I had in my head.
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Karl Smith: Was the stage performance stage hypnotist you’re going to start shooting square eggs that type of stuff and and
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Karl Smith: And that’s what I had in my head. And it’s so he educated me he educated me and said, No, no, no, no.
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Karl Smith: Hypnosis is next on our end alright and but I’m not sure about it because I’m come from a very alpha male background.
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Karl Smith: Very alpha, you know, firearms tactics guns. All that type stuff, you know, and stiff upper lip, old boy and what type of stuff we don’t men don’t talk about their shirts, you know, men don’t talk about this. So anyway,
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Karl Smith: I thought what he’s a fellow police officer is give it a crack and the first session.
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Karl Smith: Didn’t go it went well. But my brothers in my resistance was still a lot to degree what but then he said, well, let’s have a go next week. Then, and when he came over the second time.
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Karl Smith: He really did get me and what I mean, he got me. It was like Mount Vesuvius being pulled and just go walking the whole lot images feelings, thoughts, emotions, things that I hadn’t seen
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Karl Smith: For decades, even from when I was a child, but coming up. I mean, I had a great break. I had a great you know my parents were great, you know, they love this daily. I’ve got the boot and he asked, you know, who didn’t as a kid.
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Karl Smith: Climbing up next door neighbors trees and thrown apples and you’re going to get a kick in the backside, aren’t you, but you know a normal, I would say quite a normal childhood.
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Jason Mefford: And let me jump in and ask you about that because you know you said there was resistance in your first
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Karl Smith: Session.
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Jason Mefford: Yeah. And so I’m guessing you know as far as because in order to get it to have hypnosis actually work. You have to actually kind of go through that induction period and actually
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Jason Mefford: It kind of relax. Right. So is that kind of what you’re talking about is your resistance was, well, I’m still not sure about this. And so, you weren’t able to actually get into the right state for it. The first
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Jason Mefford: Thing.
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Karl Smith: That and that’s key to what I do nowadays. My job is to educate people to to what they may experience what it feels like how it may go what they might do what goes on as well. Whereas, whereas the Bitly
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Karl Smith: Even though he was a game and I mean this. That was the bit and I was like, no, no. There was something inside going. Don’t let go. Don’t go there.
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Karl Smith: Don’t go
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Karl Smith: You don’t go in a, you know, don’t leave it alone and and
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Karl Smith: I felt I wasn’t prepared properly for. So when I was sitting there and he was talking me through and just doing stuff. I felt like I couldn’t, I couldn’t do it.
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Karl Smith: And so the next time he said what after when we did the debrief on that on the first one.
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Karl Smith: I was waiting to come back and the second time is when he got me. And that was when he really really did hammer home what you could experience.
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Karl Smith: You’ve got nothing to fear karmic down lots of speech patterns and lots of different things that he did for me and you know he really did really do go to Tyrone me and
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Karl Smith: So yeah, became me. I was able to relax more, I was able to just go right is do. This is the key thing about any change work is accepting is accepting that it can it can happen.
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Karl Smith: And the will to let it happen the first time when he went to do it. I don’t believe I was ready for it. I hadn’t committed myself to it.
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Karl Smith: Whereas the second time I went non committed. Now I’m committed, I want this to go away. I can keep going like this young children.
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Karl Smith: So it’s the same as any change work is I was just discussing with somebody that while ago, but stop smoking. Somebody says, they want to try and stop smoking. I’ll send them away. I don’t want to work with them when they told me they will do it and they will
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Karl Smith: give up smoking and they’re ready to start doing our work them same principle really and
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Kathy Gruver: So that brings up an interesting point. So the first time you had it. You’re a little resistant. You did you find that, and now you could probably wouldn’t have known this at the moment, but looking back on it. Were you having secondary gain from being so stuck.
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Kathy Gruver: Front. I mean, were you getting attention from people were you not having to work where you work, was there a benefit for you to stay stuck and depressed and drinking and
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Karl Smith: No, I don’t know. I don’t know what you mean by that, about about the gaining. No, I don’t. Because I changed so much within myself, I’ve gone from, you know, going into
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Karl Smith: You know, going in. I’m gonna laugh and a joke. I love my job. I really did. I wasn’t, I wasn’t an article in the police.
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Karl Smith: Be an ex military I had a bit of street cred, you know, a little bit street thing on there. I’d rather grab people throw them in the back of a cab driver my boot Matney their own, you know, just go from there. But I love it. I really
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Karl Smith: Really did I used to love my job like that. So when we really wanted to get back. I just, there was a brick wall just wouldn’t
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Karl Smith: Come back in. So I don’t believe at the time. I think I realized, deep down that jack Daniels was gonna room. I think my son was the biggest thing Ross my elbow, he’s the biggest driver for me because he was coming in. EVERY DAY, AND DADDY WAS JUST A PIECE. I don’t know.
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Karl Smith: Just a drunk on it on a couch when he hadn’t been had been running and
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Karl Smith: You know, we had we bought an allotment, you know, an allotment like a lump, a land where they were. We could do like small potatoes and all that type stuff, you know, just
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Karl Smith: Is our hobby mine in a zombie that all just went blown out the window and strangely enough, I just wanted to get back into that, just so I could do it.
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Karl Smith: So yeah, so the second time the second time on the hypnosis buying the whole lot came out the whole lot. And that’s where we’re accumulated
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Karl Smith: Post trauma is not about one event post traumatic stress disorder or post trauma is not about one event post trauma or post traumatic stress disorder, if you want to call it that name.
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Karl Smith: Is about accumulated stress factors post trauma doesn’t happen because of one event like a car accident. It happens. It happens because of a series of events that happened prior to that, that’s just the catalyst
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Karl Smith: So in my case, you know, little things when I was younger, that came up there were nothing spectacular, but little things my subconscious unconscious monkey brain.
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Karl Smith: Had decided to hold on to until eventually the pressure cooker. And if you look at a pressure that you’ll get a pressure cooker. You put a little bit of fluid at the bottom of it where you fight, flight, freeze mechanism states.
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Karl Smith: And that little bit of fluid sits at the bottom. And that’s the bit that keeps you alive. But then we apply the heat of life, and then the pressure starts to build within the pressure cooker until eventually
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Karl Smith: At one thing, one thing will tip it over the edge and go and make it go bang and it just won’t stop it will just keep the heat on the heat will stay on a pressure cooker.
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Karl Smith: And that’s the way a little post trauma and it’s not until you turn the heat alive down underneath the part
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Karl Smith: That the pressure subsides and then the pressure starts to come down again, and that’s that’s the way that I look at post on a very simple metaphor analogy that is just
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Karl Smith: And so what happened was is my pressure cooker blue and it all within one session. I was not on sorted and
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Karl Smith: You know, and, and I only took a couple more sessions really to get my my backside back online, really. And a lot of people can’t believe how quickly. I’ve done it afterwards as well. I had to do some recalibration in the own body and get yourself sorted, but you know, I’m
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Jason Mefford: On I think that analogy of the pressure cooker that you just used as important for people to get again. So to kind of like
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Jason Mefford: Summarize again and hit home to people because what you said, you know, PTSD, it’s about
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Jason Mefford: Accumulated stress factors.
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Karl Smith: Yeah.
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Jason Mefford: And there’s usually one event that ends up being the catalyst that, like you said, Just makes us lose our ship. Right. Yeah.
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Jason Mefford: Yeah, and and a lot of, you know, traditional talk therapy or other stuff even like what you talked about to begin with, you know, the guys like how does it feel to get run over. It’s like, what the
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Jason Mefford: Fuck are you tell you it hurts, right.
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Jason Mefford: Yeah, you know, he’s focusing on that one particular
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Jason Mefford: That was the catalyst. But like you said when you opened up. It wasn’t just that event, it was
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Jason Mefford: That came out that that only something like hypnosis can actually
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Karl Smith: And I think and i think i think
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Karl Smith: I think that’s why I loved hypnosis so much because it was just a direct line of sight straight into the subconscious unconscious monkey brain.
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Karl Smith: And so I always say that because depending on what country I’m working. But the thing is, is it
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Karl Smith: It goes direct in and it allows the subconscious unconscious to let go. It says right you’ve got this and not my job, then, is to negotiate and go okay
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Karl Smith: We’re here now let’s let go of any negativity or right and i don’t mind all my sessions is direct and if any of my viewers want you know interested in learning. I’ve got a YouTube channel, it’s all free and go learn on
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Kathy Gruver: Such great stuff.
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Karl Smith: And and you’ll see me work, especially with trauma. And the key thing is is that
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Karl Smith: Is that if you if you allow the subconscious unconscious monkey brain to do what it wants to do not work with forcing it what we think it to do, then that’s when it works better. That’s why.
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Karl Smith: Some talk therapies don’t work.
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Karl Smith: And that’s why some hypnotist hypnotherapist don’t get it right, because what they’re doing is they’re forcing their metaphors and analogies into a scenario that that that the client subconscious going, I don’t get it.
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Karl Smith: I just don’t get it already don’t get it. What sandy bloody beach. What about waterfall piss off and and that’s what he’s doing.
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Karl Smith: And mine very content free.
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Karl Smith: I work around I walk around content free hypnosis, because if we work on the premise. The issue is never the issue any therapist worth their weight in gold will tell you now.
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Karl Smith: Is when a client walks in the door, the issue that they tell you is very, it is not the issue that actually the thing that’s playing them up.
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Karl Smith: I’ve got anxiety. But when you peel back the layers, it’s got nothing to do with that it’s got nothing to do with it whatsoever. So the issue is never the issue. So as a hypnotist
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Karl Smith: My job is to draw that information straight out of this part here directly without this. Now, some people may find this really weird if you watch some more videos
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Karl Smith: My consultations last me less than five minutes, I’m going to get an acid to ascertain any contraindications it ready to go for it and them are in. I’m not even gonna bother asking them to verbalize it. Don’t even bother. There’s no point to treatment.
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Kathy Gruver: And I’ve seen you do some demos where you just have the person you like step into that.
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Kathy Gruver: Light and just deal with the trauma and you just say the Trump. You don’t even have to name it. It’s not the rape. It’s not the child abuse is not it’s you just, it’s just the trauma.
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Kathy Gruver: And whatever comes out in that because I’ve had the same thing with clients they think it’s a sugar addiction and in reality as I had to do with a sugar addiction. It has to do with
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Kathy Gruver: When they felt secure as a kid, their dad would bring them cake. So now they look at cake as this comforting thing that everything’s okay. It’s not about the sugar. It’s about that comfort of everything’s okay
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Kathy Gruver: And it’s like you kind of have to distill I do a little more distilling down, but I know you just dive right in and do it and it’s it’s fabulous. So
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Kathy Gruver: Can kinetic shift is just about the deals with more than just trauma though right kinetic shift, which is that what you teach
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Karl Smith: Oh yeah so well I think teacher different realms of it. I teach content for hypnosis work with MS emergency services type stuff because that’s my background. And then also, as well.
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Karl Smith: I teach kinetic shift which is nothing new is seven modalities that have been brought together. And it’s about the Prestige, the way that is delivered because hypnosis is about procedure. Lot of people don’t get this.
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Karl Smith: Is that they think that just because they’re a hypnotist. They can just stand there and just walk away.
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Karl Smith: Well, they have a script and think all things going to happen at your own if you’ve been taught the script, you need to get away from him because there’s just garbage.
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Karl Smith: But the thing is, is that my job is to show people how to get to that center point.
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Karl Smith: With with with hypnosis and then use in several techniques to then go straight in and and rip Apple and drag it out knew what they need to do.
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Karl Smith: And that’s why it’s so effective because I’m not, I’m not listening to any cognitive I’m not listening to any verbal ization of what they’re going to tell me and I. Some people like oh
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Karl Smith: My god, that’s disgusting. You should listen to the client. Well, no, my clients come to me because they know they’re going to get the doors blown off.
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Karl Smith: If people want unicorns and and and lovely, lovely little nobody else at the bottom. They garden. They can go somewhere else. If somebody wants to doors blown off. They come see me and that’s the reason I project myself is the post new very direct a direct analytics.
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Karl Smith: very bloody direct and the thing is that people love that and people want that. And that’s what who I attract
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Kathy Gruver: Those who wants to go.
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Karl Smith: You know, play with elves at the bottom. The garden or good luck to brilliant, but on the same token,
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Karl Smith: You know, so people come to me for that. So when I’m teaching. And when I’m delivering. It’s a very direct form is a very, very direct and connected shift and hypnosis or just different modalities metaphors and models for me to use really to get in there.
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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and you’re amazing. I mean, I’ve seen you were walking on Santa Monica Pier before trapeze or after trapeze.
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Kathy Gruver: And you just, you know, you have a you always have a shirt on tends to be pink. The tell the tells everybody your hypnotist. And so, of course, people are stopping you would going on a little bit and you took this guy under we recorded it. It was so brilliant, but yeah.
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Kathy Gruver: He was just he was gone in a matter of seconds. It was amazing.
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Karl Smith: Some of the YouTube channel, what you find with hypnosis is the pre talk, it’s got nothing to do with the induction. So as soon as they see this
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Karl Smith: Soon as soon as they see this three things are going to happen soon as they see hypnotist on there. One is, they’re going to say show me something. Now, the other is a sock, leave me alone. Don’t come near me.
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Karl Smith: Or the third one is is bugger off and you watch them like a boomerang I call them boomerangs that are ones in pubs and clubs, they got that they go away and then all sudden, they
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Karl Smith: Run their and their subconscious unconscious monkey brains go please show me. Please show me. Please show me the conversations go no, don’t do it.
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Karl Smith: But they do they come back, and they’re brutal because they cook straight away, but we’re inhibiting T shirts like this.
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Karl Smith: Built my career know when done and like that that Santa Monica. We were getting a coffee in a hurry or summer camp. No, not a burrito. We’re, we’re getting a Pareto principle. I think that would
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Kathy Gruver: Press. Oh, yeah.
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Karl Smith: I’m still stood there like that stood there like that and when are you going to taste here. I’m going to hypnotize Joe and will come here. So just handed to the camera. My
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Karl Smith: For what he’s doing. Really, and I just literally just did it there and now it’s about the prestigious the bank that we can deliver it.
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Karl Smith: And a lot of people say, Well, I don’t do stage hypnosis. And I won’t go near and I won’t do performance and I won’t
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Karl Smith: And stage hypnotist just ruin it. But we have to look at that, that some of the most predominant stage hypnotist you know
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Karl Smith: Are actually the most successful. And I would say that that having that performance element and prestige element to your sessions is fundamental to being a successful hypnotist
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Karl Smith: I really not unless you’re like James Hazel Reagan you love telling stories and bringing, bringing even still, he adds prestige to the way that he delivers it
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Karl Smith: Telling the story in the way he enunciate the words that still prestige. He made an offer my to me.
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Karl Smith: But the theatrical that come with a very important and that’s where I. That’s what I like teaching people that the actual part that makes them go make the client believe something fundamental has just happened.
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Jason Mefford: I’m still learning. Okay, so obviously Kathy’s and you are years ahead of me but but one of the things that you’ve just said there was pre talk not induction.
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Jason Mefford: You know you’re walking downstairs and everything else. Right. And so you kind of relaxing that’s more kind of what induction is versus I think what you’re talking about a self talk or what, what’s the difference. Help me understand
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Kathy Gruver: How you’re going to be the I’m a Capricorn for a second, we’ve run out of time.
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Kathy Gruver: So that’s a very good question, Jason. I also want to hear about magnetic fingers because I know Carl based a lot of his career on that. And we’ve never talked about that. Why don’t we
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Kathy Gruver: Let everyone go and then we’ll come back for another episode and then we’ll talk about all this good stuff because I want to keep having this conversation, but I don’t want this to go way past what we’re supposed to. Yes.
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Jason Mefford: It’s kind of like you got to come back for the next episode right look
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Kathy Gruver: At a commercial break that
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Kathy Gruver: Well, I have to pay
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Kathy Gruver: That’s really what it’s about. Yeah.
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Jason Mefford: Yeah, cuz I wanna, I want to dig into this a little bit further and understand
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Jason Mefford: Again for my my own benefit as well, but also I think everybody else is going to find this really interesting to understand
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Jason Mefford: Some more how it works.
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Karl Smith: On the next episode, we’ll go talk about then is the five five elements of the way that I teach, and the way that your students can go away. On the next episode, I put this into practice and be faster and more efficient and confident
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Kathy Gruver: Yeah. Beautiful. All right, Carl working everybody find you.
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Karl Smith: wiki hypnosis academy.com so UK hypnosis Academy. There you go. So if you type in you. If you go to a YouTube channel. It’s UK hypnosis Academy and just subscribe on their videos every day. Anything from St.
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Karl Smith: Performance to amazing clinical medical post trauma inductions blah, blah, blah.
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Kathy Gruver: I love the one on blah, blah, blah. It’s really good. Okay, I’m Kathy Gruber. I can be reached at Kathy Griffin calm.
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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so make sure and check out the future episode because we got lots of good stuff with Carl coming up. So, yeah.
