In today’s episode we discuss how to live longer and healthier lives by looking into the multifaceted ways that a person can be suffering.

Dr. Pat Boulogne has a chiropractic and acupuncture background with studies in kinesiology, that has dedicated her life to helping people get over various ailments that are negatively effecting their lives.

If conventional medicine hasn’t been helping any condition you may have, give this episode a listen because there may be other ways to recover!

Reach out to Dr. Pat at: or email her at: [email protected]. You can find her book: “Why Are You Sick, Fat and Tired” on Amazon and check out her upcoming course “Stronger Than Medicine.”

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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast i’m your co host Jason medford.

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kathygruver: And I am Kathy gruver and we are so excited to bring you another amazing guests so excited to have a conversation with his lady Dr pat below is here hey how you doing.

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Patricia Boulogne: hey doing.

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kathygruver: Good good why don’t you tell everybody a little bit about who you are what you do, how you got to this point and and we’ll have a good chat.

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Patricia Boulogne: Well, I have a textured background and I have a very diverse background i’m originally from the Midwest so yeah why I always talk about when i’m meeting people from the Midwest and you guys from California is there’s always an immediate camaraderie you know and.

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Jason Mefford: And even even people from California, because my family came from the Midwest and the direction right yeah.

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Patricia Boulogne: yeah yeah see so it’s like we are DNA.

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Patricia Boulogne: Is the DNA and we’re right now we’re not all not our DNA to and that so you know when I was in the Midwest I use as a kid I used to always be really interested in science used to try to do things like train bs.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, put them in a jar roll the heck out of them my father just make sure you’re pointing at you are the opposite direction or standing.

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Patricia Boulogne: And do things like that, so I ended up going to school chiropractic school I used to live in Ann arbor first and then I decided not to be a medical doctor.

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Patricia Boulogne: I did some volunteer work for independent study for my undergraduate degree at the University of Michigan hospital on St joe’s hospital, they were connected.

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Patricia Boulogne: and a friend of mine said you’ve got all the requirements to be a chiropractor you should be a chiropractor and I like Why would I want to do that.

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Patricia Boulogne: And he goes, because you can help people get well and not use medicine, you know and have them function better and I like I don’t know I don’t think I want to do that, you know and then.

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Patricia Boulogne: A couple months afterwards I was working as a waitress and working on an MBA I dropped out of my MBA Program.

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Patricia Boulogne: I hurt my shoulder and went to see this chiropractor and an arbor and I was watching him, you know do what he did in the Office like walk around in the such and.

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Patricia Boulogne: I decided that he was never going to touch me, and it was my first thing my second thing was I figured if he did I could do it, I could do it better, and so I applied to school and I went and I never looked back i’ve had some incredible teachers and my time that.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, always had that you know, one of my mo is is do good have fun another mo fine is you know what you got isn’t necessarily what you got.

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Patricia Boulogne: Oh i’m, then you know and then from that time span than I would have I found other people that I learned, you know significant things from like Jeff bland who’s out on the west coast he’s alive and well.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so, he he always talked about you know functional medicine, I was like what the heck is functional medicine and then he had a company in gig harbor.

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Patricia Boulogne: Can that was connected with a company that I still use products of theirs, because I found that I get the best results with them that’s my genetics.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so it, you know, and I apply my programs that I give to people I do them myself, you know I recently had a really bad case of an allergic reaction food poisoning acute.

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Patricia Boulogne: That you know when I within three days after getting my programs I started a particular medical food and that I felt so much better, you know, and I did some other things that.

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Patricia Boulogne: Were things that you know friend of mine called me up from he was a PhD from Albert Schweitzer right and he said Oh, do you know what he used in the jungle for dysentery.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so we have these you know I had all these people kind of re cross my path by X acupuncturist we all got in contact with each other right around the same time, and they really share these tidbits of wisdom for things like that which made everything made a big difference.

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Patricia Boulogne: So I was on Cape cod for 10 years, then I went to Boston for 10 years and then I decided to go to acupuncture school.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so, when I went to acupuncture school people always ask me if I studied my formulas and herbs in Mandarin.

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Patricia Boulogne: People always ask me what you’re doing you’re finished with that I said retire, this is really hard work and I never realized how much brain power that really stuck out to me it during that like you know, two two and a half, three year program you know that I was in.

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Patricia Boulogne: And you know so even like you know, a year later, I sell thinking like Why do I want to sleep.

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Patricia Boulogne: or anything it’s just that you know you’re just really you know use a lot of brainpower so so I have this in my toolbox, of how I help people you know i’ve learned things like you know doing myofascial release you know, in particular people’s applied kinesiology.

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Patricia Boulogne: I, you know how to use needles for emotional to get rid of the emotional component, so that you can really go deep.

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Patricia Boulogne: quickly, as opposed to waiting two or three months, why you know, trying to figure something out and i’m a sports physician to said i’ve worked things like the Boston marathon.

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Patricia Boulogne: I worked at Special Olympics when it first came out at Harvard and he just had some really wonderful great experiences.

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Patricia Boulogne: Helping sick people get well and well people to maintain their wellness and also offering people information, excuse me, so that.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, you could get the information that you needed so that you can make an educated decision about what’s best for me to go forward, not me me me Dr pattern meaning, you know, whoever I was you know, helping with.

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kathygruver: yeah that’s great so I want to go back to is you met someone who explained functional medicine for people at home, who have heard that term or don’t aren’t familiar with that term what is functional medicine.

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Patricia Boulogne: Is the paradigm shift from the world is flat to the world is round.

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Patricia Boulogne: In medicine, and so what it does, is it it’s very individualistic so it takes what going on with a person their whole person and how they are interacting with their environment.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know whether it’s the food that you eat the water you drink the air that you breathe the chemicals that he is in your House to clean your House.

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Patricia Boulogne: Or the fertilizer gardening things in life and how that interacts with you.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then, how your body’s responding to it, because if your immune system is totally blown out and you have constant perpetual exposure to that you eventually develop things like chronic illness and disease.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and that take away from your good health and take away from your precious time on the planet and also interfere with your relationships.

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Patricia Boulogne: With your parents family, friends, it, you know it limits your mobility, you know it’s always it’s always sites when you’re saying those things you know I always say pain is not a lifestyle.

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Patricia Boulogne: And it’s not it’s just an indicator that something’s going on, and the idea is to be a CSI agent and figure out where the heck is that you know, like where’s the inflammation at.

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Patricia Boulogne: All the reasons why we get sick, you know when you look at it from a functional medicine point of view.

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Patricia Boulogne: Is it’s three basic reasons why we get sick once trauma, which creates inflammation and that starts at birth.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then you have the toxins we just talked about that couple seconds ago I mentioned the air, the water, you know the food that we eat.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and then you have your thoughts and thoughts can do anything you know a good chunk of whatever you do good to get your mechanics in alignment like by seeing a chiropractor osteopath or whoever and.

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Patricia Boulogne: And also can do you know the things that we all know that, like oh I just had a really great meal and i’m really happy about it, then you get upset you’re not digesting your food.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and then you stay up you know you’re not getting sleep there’s a whole you know big dynamic with.

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Patricia Boulogne: What I call the five pillars of health, you know, like diet and nutrition and are two different things you know, under the same umbrella, I mean you could have.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, unless you have good great nutrition with your diet, then there could be a component that’s out of place their piece of the puzzle is gone.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, proper exercise proper sleep.

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Patricia Boulogne: Positive mental attitudes huge you know and that properly functioning nervous system that really you know is integral with the.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know your posture how you’re standing how you hold yourself where your head’s at you know, on your body and where you know what your spine looks like, so this is huge yeah.

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Jason Mefford: wow.

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Jason Mefford: i’m like.

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Jason Mefford: Still processing half of what you just said i’ve.

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Jason Mefford: taken some notes too.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s you know it always fascinates me to meet people like you, thank you because because i’m kind of the same way and that it looks like you have you’ve studied lots of different things you’ve looked at different.

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Jason Mefford: different ways of thinking about some of this stuff and then you’re picking those good things that work and bringing them into a way that you can help that individual as an individual right.

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Jason Mefford: It could be because, again, you know I mean we’ve talked with lots of people, you know hypnotherapist other you know types of therapists.

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Jason Mefford: The gamut of a lot of different people and what always interest is interests me is some things work better for certain people.

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Jason Mefford: and other things don’t right so it’s it’s it’s like trying to find that be like that CSI agent that.

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Jason Mefford: You just talked about what is it that Jason or Kathy needs, because we are different individuals and other people and you’re you’re doing that you’re helping people know that individual level.

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Patricia Boulogne: Sometimes on the intuitive part you know if I ever do acupuncture on somebody I always when i’m looking at the emotional component.

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Patricia Boulogne: I use kinesiology on meridian points that i’m interested in for those particular reasons, and you know a lot of times people end up crying.

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Patricia Boulogne: Because I have been using meals yeah because I like what’s going on, let you know tell me what’s going on with X, Y and Z.

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Patricia Boulogne: And one of my mentors always used to say what you got isn’t necessarily what you got and that’s why you have to cut through those layers.

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Patricia Boulogne: And you know it’s also being able to like reading between the lines yeah and like listening to what people are saying.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and do it just like you know just being open and just you know to say like well, did you ever think of this for solutions, I love solving problems.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know it’s just like my friend of mine said that’s what your book, why are you sick and tired that’s What it does is a solve someone’s problem is show somebody were to start their health journey so you’re not wasting time, energy or money right someplace else.

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Patricia Boulogne: And it’s just it’s really it’s um I have a you know I found that gift that i’ve been given to do that, and I use it pretty extensively a lot of time.

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kathygruver: that’s so great that’s why we have you on so you use the term chiropractic I think pretty much everybody now, at this point, knows what a chiropractor does.

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kathygruver: You said acupuncture though people might not understand the exact how of it, I think they’ve heard of it so explain to people what kinesiology is because I, I know what that is but a lot of people don’t So how do you use kinesiology and what is that what does that system.

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Patricia Boulogne: Well kinesiology can give you a subclinical value, and so, if you are proficient at muscle testing, you can.

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Patricia Boulogne: enter somebody’s energy field like Michael gerber wrote a book years ago which the name exactly escapes me, but it was.

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Patricia Boulogne: it’s a book that took me like two years to read it was very heavy kind of it was written for the lay person.

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Patricia Boulogne: But you know we have energy fields around us, so if you can get into somebody’s energy field and learn a specific technique for that kinesiology my technique was tpm or total body modification is what it means.

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Patricia Boulogne: um and also and he just Scott Walker who’s still in South he’s in San Diego area.

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Patricia Boulogne: and taking those things, and like learning how to like you know the those acupuncture points because they relate to acupuncture points How did we get in there and.

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Patricia Boulogne: be able to help somebody get that information from them like what do they really need like comedy you know, sometimes I use it to you know, like well if I want I call it pulsing.

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Patricia Boulogne: Someone that like how much you know how many of these the supplement natural supplements, you need to take.

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Patricia Boulogne: To get you, you know to refill your bank and how many days, do you need to do it in it’s just a subclinical level it’s not you know, like you know.

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Patricia Boulogne: black and white and there’s a lot of Gray area to it, and sometimes you can’t test somebody because you can’t get into that field.

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Patricia Boulogne: With them, and so I always say it’s like you know go with the flow do it next time, no big deal, but the kinesiology is when you test when something makes somebody test stronger a point.

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Patricia Boulogne: Then it’s usually indicative that’s a good thing for someone whatever it is, you know, sometimes when i’m you know first testing people when they’re disbelievers I use things like.

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Patricia Boulogne: Like mustard catch up, you know things that are like what do you got your purse and in like or your cell phone someone tested me one time on a cell phone that had an EMF blacker in it.

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Patricia Boulogne: And you know I tested strong and this person with it may have said, you must have some device on you.

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Patricia Boulogne: yeah and I did I have my cue link that I were all the time.

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Patricia Boulogne: And I you know, and when I lived in B airspace in Boston and I was trying this first study for acupuncture I couldn’t focus because you’d had all this stuff going on in downtown Boston.

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Patricia Boulogne: And after I did this, it was like I could just sit in front of the computer, I felt protected, and I could concentrate very significantly for course.

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Patricia Boulogne: Sometimes you know so kinesiology is just a way to like happen, be able to use like a typewriter to get into someone’s energy field and get into their body to see if whatever you have to offer them, you know, is something that’s complimentary for them in their for their well being.

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kathygruver: Very cool yeah Jason you had an idea.

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Jason Mefford: Well, as you were talking, I was, I was remembering so again i’m still kind of new to the genealogies side of it, you know and so as you’re as you’re talking about it, but I remember my younger brother.

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Jason Mefford: He actually did some therapy stuff To begin with, so tell me if this is what what what it kind of actually is, but he would.

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Jason Mefford: The therapist would put like salt in his hand and then haven’t pulled out his arm and he kind of push on his arm and he put metal in his hand and kind of do some different things like that to kind of get a feel for.

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Jason Mefford: You know what made him stronger, you know versus weaker kind of thing that’s that’s kind of what you’re what you’re talking about there a little bit, I think.

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Patricia Boulogne: yeah I mean it’s a secret, you can use food, you can use, you know your environment, you can you, you know, like it for.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, for somebody like you know, can you drink coffee right everyone, you know it’s just like people either like or they don’t but if they drink coffee, some people, probably should never have it.

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Patricia Boulogne: And it might just it might just be a certain brand of coffee because coffees have a tendency to have mold in them if they’re not stored properly.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so, if you’re testing somebody on coffee, you could have coffee that doesn’t have mold or mode and you could test people on to see Just to give you a sub clinical level of whether or not.

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Patricia Boulogne: something’s working for somebody or something is something is really attracting you know from that person’s health and wellness in their energy field.

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Jason Mefford: so effectively as you’re testing people with those different things you’re because it’s close to them or on their person you’re kind of in their energy field, and so, then see how the energy we have them us interacting with whatever it is that you’re testing against.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know I always go on the basis of whether or not a person wants to have that happen so like you know some of us like they might want to have that happen, but it might not be an energetic day for them to do it, so when I when you.

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Patricia Boulogne: I asked the body for permission.

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Patricia Boulogne: Before I perform that type of service, and so in when I and how I do it is by muscle testing, so if I have there’s an entry point right between your eyebrows.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know that you just place two fingers on when I muscle test somebody in that chest week then i’m okay i’m good to go.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, because i’m you know they’re saying i’m asking, can I get in and their energy fields going down so it’s like Bingo.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then you know if I can’t then there’s a little trick of trade that I learned to like confuse the body, a little bit and see if I could still do that can.

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Patricia Boulogne: happen just keep their eyes open and shake their head and I go back and I muscle test again and if it’s if it’s you know states like the state’s strong, then I would just say like you know next time.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, with will do.

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Jason Mefford: Whatever they’re resisting.

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Jason Mefford: yeah allowing you to kind of come in and see what’s going on.

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Patricia Boulogne: Right, you know, and I always learned from Dr frank, who did the total body modification that you first have to fix structure.

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Patricia Boulogne: Before you do any of this stuff anyway so you’ve got to have somewhere to start to help somebody because structures function if you don’t have good structure, then you can’t happen function.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so you’ve got you know go go go, you know always got the basics, you know let’s let’s fix the basics let’s fix the Foundation and then you can do it and have fun, you know and do a lot of other different things that’s cool.

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kathygruver: You also you would also talk about inflammation and I know that was a huge buzz a couple years back, and worse about chronic inflammation and foods that are inflammatory and drinks that are inflammatory How does that inflammation affect the body and how do we help get rid of that.

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Patricia Boulogne: Well, you know there’s you know when you talk about you know just mentioned, food, one of the things about food is that people sometimes can have reactivity to food and not have that reactivity show till about four or five days later.

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Patricia Boulogne: So it’s really difficult like when you’re looking at you know, like an immediate way is that when you eat food, if you get tired after you eat.

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Patricia Boulogne: Or you feel like my stomach you know kind of feel like, like the other day I went out and I had a you know, I was feeling like I wanted to have a beer, you know I took like four steps you know for drinks of it, and I put it down I could just feel it when I hit my stomach was like.

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Patricia Boulogne: Like splash thinking I don’t think this is a good idea, you know pay for it left I got to have my beer fixed for the whole summer.

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Patricia Boulogne: So.

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kathygruver: you’re a cheap cheaper a cheap cheap date.

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Patricia Boulogne: I do like champagne.

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Patricia Boulogne: But the.

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Patricia Boulogne: But the you know they we having food and people have that you know that inflammation like, for instance, if somebody has pain, they have low back pain neck pain, you know they have.

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Patricia Boulogne: chronic fatigue those kinds of things they should really pay attention to how they feel in the morning.

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Patricia Boulogne: When they first get up and if they’re achy they’re sore they’ve got something going on some place.

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Patricia Boulogne: than they should really take a look at what food that they ate and even when you have go through the day and you’re eating.

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Patricia Boulogne: If you start feeling like you know oh it’s the afternoon God my back’s killing me Oh, what did I have you know Oh, I had dessert at lunch.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know so staying away from sugar, you know as a sugar or sugar substitutes, you know, is really a good thing, a lot of people think, having sugar substitutes is OK.

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Patricia Boulogne: But the problem with them is that the sugar substitutes makes things a lot worse for your gut you know, for you to be able to lose weight it interferes with that you actually gain weight with sugar substitutes and so.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, taking and looking at like mapping out your food.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know and mapping and just like you know I just ate this and, like an hour and a half later man I needed to go lay down, then you probably had too many carbohydrates, in that meal.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and if you’re you know, and if you’re not waking up energize you know, like when you know if you want to talk about sleep for a couple seconds.

00:20:35.730 –> 00:20:42.390
Patricia Boulogne: There, because it relates that people who eat late go to sleep they never get into that hundred and 10 minute cycle.

00:20:42.900 –> 00:20:47.820
Patricia Boulogne: You know, of going from Stage one stage two Stage three and four, which is where the magic happens.

00:20:48.090 –> 00:20:57.900
Patricia Boulogne: And then Ram and the only reason why rem happens like always thinks it’s like when people walk around you know their sleep, you know is that they’re not exactly in Ram because if they were they’d be paralyzed.

00:20:58.170 –> 00:21:05.160
Patricia Boulogne: So they you know because they’re your body stops moving and then the magic and three and four during that cycle.

00:21:05.460 –> 00:21:14.010
Patricia Boulogne: was just usually after 30 Minutes that you’re falling asleep that’s the lights up that’s what you want to do during the daytime you want to go take a nap so you have better cognition you’re thinking better.

00:21:14.130 –> 00:21:21.630
Patricia Boulogne: you’re feeling better you’re moving better you get up and go back into your project and, like you can do more in less time that’s einstein’s time for me.

00:21:22.620 –> 00:21:36.390
Patricia Boulogne: Then that works great you know, but if you have you know our people who are taking melatonin as a supplement melatonin surges between one and four o’clock in the morning, so taking it to me makes absolutely zero sense.

00:21:36.840 –> 00:21:38.970
Patricia Boulogne: With you’re going to take a during the daytime as a supplement.

00:21:39.390 –> 00:21:50.670
Patricia Boulogne: it’s better to technology conan like just before you go to bed, if you really have a knowledge and efficiency, but you might not have a melatonin efficiency efficiency might be is that you’re not getting into the deep sleep.

00:21:51.330 –> 00:22:02.070
Patricia Boulogne: Because that’s where you know the brain detoxes the body, the Oregon state tax this where all that, and you know, like you, repair revitalize restore so we’re all the hormones.

00:22:02.370 –> 00:22:23.430
Patricia Boulogne: Do what they’re supposed to do and get you know rebalance out so that part of that sleep cycle is so important, you know, and you know, creating hygiene around your sleep in your ritual around sleep, you know turning the computer off or using the classes at night for um.

00:22:24.690 –> 00:22:33.570
Patricia Boulogne: You know, for being on a computer you block out all that blue light from you, you know, and you it’s like it’s not affecting your limbic system it’s not like okay.

00:22:33.870 –> 00:22:38.640
Patricia Boulogne: How many more games, can I play my cell phone or, should I clean my closet out again.

00:22:39.630 –> 00:22:55.440
Patricia Boulogne: You know, or having you know that thought process, you know ruminating and you can’t shut your brain off, you know the you know I always tell people as I, you know that hat chip that health pack it’s like if you can do something about what’s keeping you up go do it yeah.

00:22:55.470 –> 00:22:58.320
Patricia Boulogne: Exactly yeah and then give yourself permission to go sleep.

00:22:58.770 –> 00:23:07.230
Patricia Boulogne: And if you sell like laying there then get back up and write those keywords down because those keywords aren’t going to change some time you close your eyes and actually fall asleep.

00:23:07.590 –> 00:23:19.740
Patricia Boulogne: You know that, and then you can use things like binary beats white noise, you can chat you can listen to a book, you know our something like that got to get you back into that more sleepy stage yeah.

00:23:19.950 –> 00:23:21.780
kathygruver: I love that you said that because i’ve i’ve.

00:23:22.350 –> 00:23:36.510
kathygruver: done so many talks about sleep and I used to when I did like my workplace wellness talks I talked about sleeping food, all I think, and you know if you wake up in the middle of night and you’re laying there agonizing on whether you pay the mortgage or not get up and look like.

00:23:36.630 –> 00:23:36.900
Patricia Boulogne: don’t.

00:23:36.930 –> 00:23:42.870
kathygruver: try to convince you like go see if the stove is on go see I remember waking up in the middle, the night I I used to wear for rings.

00:23:43.500 –> 00:23:45.900
kathygruver: And during massage because I have to take the Rings off.

00:23:46.290 –> 00:23:56.190
kathygruver: And I woke up in the middle of the night and, for some reason, if I if I don’t feel my rings when i’m asleep at it kind of freaks me out somehow so I woke up the other night, and I could feel that I only had three of my four rings on.

00:23:56.640 –> 00:24:02.310
kathygruver: and the one that wasn’t there was my grandmother’s engagement ring and I had this year they get like two o’clock in the morning of.

00:24:02.790 –> 00:24:10.380
kathygruver: Oh, my God, I remember, putting them back on what if I dropped in the parking lot, as I was walking to my car, you know, and I was just I couldn’t get back to sleep and I finally said, you know what screw this.

00:24:10.710 –> 00:24:17.700
kathygruver: I gotta go look I got my car I drove to my office, I found the ring sitting in the dish I put it back on I drove home, I went back to sleep.

00:24:18.240 –> 00:24:29.460
kathygruver: I know that I would have agonized all night long wondering what happened to that ring, so I solve the problem you know people I think so many people feel like they they’re stuck they’re tied in they have to stay in bed.

00:24:31.500 –> 00:24:34.290
kathygruver: get up and salt you if it’s like you said if it’s something solvable.

00:24:34.620 –> 00:24:41.970
kathygruver: get up and solve the problem you know check on that thing that’s worrying you or do a brain dump you write it all out promise that you’re going to do in the morning.

00:24:42.330 –> 00:24:51.000
kathygruver: And then go back to sleep rather than driving yourself crazy so i’m so glad you said that because I have told people that for four years to just go solve the problem, so i’m very glad you said that.

00:24:51.870 –> 00:25:04.620
Patricia Boulogne: And also, you know that I think a big part two, is like really you know, setting the stage like you know and having a bed that support you and you know when you go to sleep say your affirmations.

00:25:04.680 –> 00:25:04.950
kathygruver: yeah.

00:25:04.980 –> 00:25:11.820
Patricia Boulogne: You know, when you were you’re dealing with three brains and the one that’s going to that you got to keep on knocking off your shoulder the lizard brain.

00:25:12.840 –> 00:25:21.000
Patricia Boulogne: Like get the heck out of here, I only need you, if a saber toothed tiger is in front of me or someone’s going to try to run into my car and run a red light.

00:25:21.420 –> 00:25:25.050
Patricia Boulogne: You know that’s what I need you, other than that leave me alone.

00:25:25.350 –> 00:25:36.780
Patricia Boulogne: Because you have this you know relational brain and you have this reactionary brain, so that you can create better sequencing for positive events so when you have something positive that happens to you.

00:25:37.080 –> 00:25:45.570
Patricia Boulogne: You can get just used to like you know going scratching your head, you know the same place, you know, like every time you know, and if you start having a lot of them that’d be really great right.

00:25:46.500 –> 00:25:52.980
Patricia Boulogne: But you know you can click your fingers, you can touch your fingertips, you know and just tie ins is something.

00:25:53.220 –> 00:26:06.810
Patricia Boulogne: That when you feel really positive I mean if you have a boyfriend is an ex wife and she always used to sit in one chair never sit in that chair, you know they’re that mental association with this huge.

00:26:08.130 –> 00:26:15.330
Patricia Boulogne: In you know, then there’s little tricks of the trade to make that all kind of you know piecing together and put the pieces of the puzzle to gather.

00:26:15.600 –> 00:26:28.170
Patricia Boulogne: You know that way then you’re stronger, you know you’re more balanced you’re doing things that are beneficial mentally physically socially spiritually for your body that makes life a lot easier.

00:26:29.280 –> 00:26:38.010
Patricia Boulogne: And you know it’s just you know, and that, and you know, the whole thing see chiropractor you have a massage yeah you know I would love to be there with you for your next.

00:26:40.350 –> 00:26:43.920
kathygruver: So much stuff when you just said about the anchoring it we had Mike mendell who’s.

00:26:44.010 –> 00:26:49.290
kathygruver: One of the top hypnotist in the world on and he was talking about that awesome anchor that you when you get yourself.

00:26:49.320 –> 00:26:50.550
kathygruver: into that feeling good to go.

00:26:50.820 –> 00:26:52.020
kathygruver: awesome and so.

00:26:52.020 –> 00:26:53.100
Patricia Boulogne: That was me, does he.

00:26:53.250 –> 00:27:03.150
kathygruver: feel good you can look at that and fire that awesome anchor and get that feeling back so I love that you brought that up to it all comes back together Jason any words of course we’re out of time because that’s what we do.

00:27:05.280 –> 00:27:10.350
kathygruver: Anything final thoughts for you and then we’ll throw it back to you, Dr pat you could talk about how people can reach you and all that good stuff.

00:27:10.890 –> 00:27:16.440
Jason Mefford: Well, I think, for me, this is one where I got to go back and listen to this one again, one of those episodes where it’s like.

00:27:17.190 –> 00:27:29.460
Jason Mefford: Okay, I think I understood what you were saying there, but let me go back and look at that again but but but I love the idea, you know, again, as you said that it really is, I think I think you mentioned, there were five five different areas right.

00:27:29.460 –> 00:27:30.390
Patricia Boulogne: Then yeah.

00:27:31.920 –> 00:27:37.890
Jason Mefford: yeah the five pillars of health and that really if any of those are kind of out of whack than.

00:27:38.640 –> 00:27:45.510
Jason Mefford: that’s probably what’s going on right, and I think that’s you know that what what you got isn’t necessarily what you got.

00:27:46.200 –> 00:27:54.270
Jason Mefford: Right is is the idea, and the more that i’ve learned about this and kind of realized, you know, like that when people say you know you know I have this headache and it’s like.

00:27:56.130 –> 00:27:56.490
Patricia Boulogne: That.

00:27:57.750 –> 00:27:59.880
Jason Mefford: Well there’s reasons right, I mean there’s a.

00:27:59.880 –> 00:28:00.360
Jason Mefford: couple of.

00:28:00.780 –> 00:28:04.770
Jason Mefford: symptomatic reasons why you have a headache right.

00:28:04.800 –> 00:28:12.000
Jason Mefford: So, but the more that we get in tune with that and start realizing and thinking about these five different areas of our life.

00:28:12.780 –> 00:28:23.160
Jason Mefford: The more balanced, so we can end up being right because, like you said if somebody only focuses on exercise let’s say they go to the gym like a theme, for you know, two hours a day.

00:28:23.910 –> 00:28:36.450
Jason Mefford: But if they’re eating or there’s the toxins or there’s the other things in their life that are still not going to get the full effect out of their body only focusing on one or two right.

00:28:36.960 –> 00:28:45.210
Patricia Boulogne: Well it’s all it’s like a large piece of the pie, and you can’t really out exercise a bad diet yeah no matter who you are where.

00:28:45.660 –> 00:28:54.870
Patricia Boulogne: You can’t out exercise a bad diet and you know you have to honor your body at the sanctuary and you know, and if your body is like the energetic field is.

00:28:55.620 –> 00:29:03.900
Patricia Boulogne: Our you know physical field, you know if there’s something that’s out of balance, it makes more sense to fix it before it becomes a crisis.

00:29:04.200 –> 00:29:10.080
Patricia Boulogne: You know, Western medicine Western medicine focuses on that you know, like what’s the matter with you what’s your symptom.

00:29:10.380 –> 00:29:17.430
Patricia Boulogne: You know, and you know people who are practitioners, who are in the functional lifestyle medicine realm are always looking for.

00:29:17.730 –> 00:29:23.820
Patricia Boulogne: You know what is it is that the root and what’s the cause of it, and then you can go into what where when why and how.

00:29:24.120 –> 00:29:33.330
Patricia Boulogne: To like get out of it because it isn’t really the diagnosis of the disease is what how is your how are you interacting with the environment that you’re in.

00:29:33.660 –> 00:29:42.480
Patricia Boulogne: And then, what can I do to make for my next step, like okay where’s my weakest link, you know I want to know my weakest link that’s because I want to fortify it.

00:29:42.840 –> 00:29:43.440
kathygruver: yeah absolutely.

00:29:44.100 –> 00:29:52.770
Patricia Boulogne: Right, and so you know there’s you know and that’s part of the reason why you know that my book, shows that, while you’re sick and tired.

00:29:53.070 –> 00:29:58.470
Patricia Boulogne: It shows that, so that you can kind of like identify it and then you can say now, I know.

00:29:58.830 –> 00:30:12.690
Patricia Boulogne: What my new year’s resolutions should be so I can you know not like blow out a week later, and just blow it off Now I know where I need to focus, so that I can be there for my family my kids and you know people who really matter to you.

00:30:13.320 –> 00:30:21.750
kathygruver: yeah I love that and what a beautiful What a beautiful place to end Dr pat why don’t you tell people where they can get in touch with you, where they can get your book what’s the best site all that good stuff.

00:30:22.920 –> 00:30:42.990
Patricia Boulogne: OK, I will start at the top, my website is health team network COM and people can find me on linkedin that’s how we met on linkedin and i’m sure you’ll have show notes with the actual link right and then Facebook, I have a business page there and I use instagram.

00:30:44.340 –> 00:30:59.910
Patricia Boulogne: And also i’m launching shortly dui stronger than medicine course that’s the basic course for people just to get you know some of the stuff that we talked about today, but kind of like start putting the glue together.

00:31:00.240 –> 00:31:12.090
Patricia Boulogne: And that will happen i’m in the middle of writing that right now so somebody wants to get in contact with me my email address is asked Dr pat and helping

00:31:13.080 –> 00:31:21.510
Patricia Boulogne: And that’s in my book, you can get on Amazon or any others other digital media’s that carry that but I always send people to Amazon it’s easy everyone.

00:31:21.960 –> 00:31:23.580
kathygruver: goes to Amazon based yeah exactly.

00:31:23.760 –> 00:31:25.440
Patricia Boulogne: girl Barnes and noble and.

00:31:26.010 –> 00:31:26.820
Patricia Boulogne: So that’s it.

00:31:27.240 –> 00:31:31.980
kathygruver: hey yay this is such a great conversation so right up my alley I mean it takes me back to.

00:31:31.980 –> 00:31:35.820
kathygruver: stuff that I was studying and doing years ago that I haven’t really thought about in a while so.

00:31:36.030 –> 00:31:38.550
Patricia Boulogne: Thank you something that’s where you go back to basics.

00:31:38.910 –> 00:31:39.870
kathygruver: I know exactly.

00:31:40.320 –> 00:31:41.400
kathygruver: yeah yeah.

00:31:41.520 –> 00:31:47.820
kathygruver: it’s just about going back to pay that’s that’s absolutely true, the basics water breathe poop put good thoughts in your brain yeah.

00:31:49.170 –> 00:31:50.280
Patricia Boulogne: And then everything will go.

00:31:51.630 –> 00:31:55.290
kathygruver: Perfect this is such a great conversation Dr Brett Thank you so much for meeting.

00:31:55.950 –> 00:31:56.430
Patricia Boulogne: is great.

00:31:56.820 –> 00:31:59.520
kathygruver: i’m counting Gruber, I can be reached at Kathy Gruber calm.

00:31:59.970 –> 00:32:11.940
Jason Mefford: And i’m Jason method, I can be reached the json method calm so go out get Dr pat’s book i’m going to be doing that afterwards here so that I can get myself a little bit more educated.

00:32:12.420 –> 00:32:15.000
Jason Mefford: And just start thinking about your whole health.

00:32:15.030 –> 00:32:27.480
Jason Mefford: And again, this is probably one of those episodes to go back and listen to again because there’s a lot of stuff in it so with that have a great rest of your week and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast see ya.

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kathygruver: See ya.

00:32:28.650 –> 00:32:30.000
Patricia Boulogne: awesome thanks you guys.

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