What if you had a crystal ball that could help predict what is coming in 2020? Would it make your life or business easier to plan for and navigate? Of course it would.

Due to huge demand, we are bringing you this episode as an encore. If you already listened, this is one you should listen to again. If you missed it the first time, you will thank us for bringing it to you again.

We are joined again by our favorite full service oracle / astrologer, Jeanne Mozier to give us a preview of what’s still to come in 2019 (and there is some big news about this next week you don’t want to miss) and what we have to look forward to in 2020.

Think of it as your weather forecast to help you prepare for what is to come.

Each year Jeanne gives a 2 hour speech explaining what she sees coming by reading the stars, and we are lucky to have her give us a preview of what she will be discussing during her speech on 10 December.

To get a copy of Jeanne’s 2 hour oracle speech detailing out 2020 and beyond, visit her website: https://www.starwv.com/ where you can purchase a CD of her talk.

#fireandearthpodcast #astrology #2020predictions


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Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the fire and earth Podcast. I am your co host Kathy gruver

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason Medford, and today we have another exciting episode for you because there are some things that are about to change. And so we have back Jeannie Mosher thank you for joining us. Jamie

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star: Always a pleasure to hang with you guys.

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Kathy Gruver: So you told us that some big things were happening and you’re going to kind of get us set up or what’s going on in 2020. I can’t believe it’s been a year since we had you on

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star: Your

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, cuz about 2019 last year and

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Kathy Gruver: I’m

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Kathy Gruver: Coming to a frickin close. I don’t know where that happened.

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Kathy Gruver: Explain to me why time is speeding up. That would be a good thing. So yeah, so you said a lot of stuff was happening. So we’re going to turn it over to you and

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Kathy Gruver: Why don’t you give us a quick a quick background on who you are. Well, we’ll put a link to your other episode and then we’ll dive into what’s going on because apparently it’s pretty heavy.

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star: Okay. Well, I like to build myself as a full service Oracle because not only do I read the stars, but I also do runes and cards and

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star: Other things like that. And that’s sort of my magical life. And then I have a real life as as an author and as an arts activist here and fabulous Berkeley springs, West Virginia.

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star: And I’m now a retired movie theater owner

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star: For the first time in 42 years jack and I have weekends to do what normal people do.

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Kathy Gruver: Normal people. What do you do on a weekend of your normal because I don’t know.

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star: What you probably wouldn’t be serving popcorn.

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star: People, but it’s been great. Anyway, every year for the past since 1977 so 42 years I have been doing what I call my Oracle’s talk and I look at the year to come

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star: The past couple of years, I have been threatening not to do it anymore because the news was hard and I didn’t want people blaming me since I’m only the interpreter

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star: I don’t write the script. So here we are, we’re in 22 we’re getting ready to enter 2020 as it turns out, the big some of the big issues that will face in 2020 actually start on December 3 2020 is going to be a heavy earth year

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star: In astrology. That means practical conservative restrictive.

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star: Inflexible

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star: And the pile up starts in earnest. On December 3 when the planet Jupiter moves into Capricorn joining Saturn and Pluto already there.

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star: Historically, and in this case historic means every single time that Jupiter and Saturn are together in Capricorn. There is an economic crisis.

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star: So I think that, you know, there’s no doubt it’s inevitable when it happens every time.

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star: It’s hard to argue with it. And that’s what really starts happening on December 3 and I thought it was interesting and people may notice how in the past several weeks. A lot of the

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star: Big retail operations have been saying, Oh, we’re going to have black friday sales early and it’s like a high, you better be.

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star: AFTER DECEMBER 3 everybody’s going to be pulling in everybody’s going to be sensing that limitation and deciding that, well, maybe they ought to think twice before they ought to go out there and spend more money and

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star: Other parts of the other things happening in the year so so that December 3 sets it up and that difficult period is going to be continuing through at least the end of March, and then there’s a brief period of light comes back again through the summer till the end of the year, the only

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star: I felt optimistic when I looked at the end of the year, and saw that what was going to be happening. Starting in December of 2020

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star: For the next couple of years, is we are going to be entering a progressive period and expanse of period, a period where we’re going to be devoted to universal concepts inclusive concepts concepts of equality. We just have to survive.

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star: You survived run a journey to get there.

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Jason Mefford: In Geneva let

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Jason Mefford: Me ask you a question on that because you know what, because you’re you’re talking about now the the December 3 date. And I was thinking of when we talked before wasn’t there. They’re kind of the January like 11th, 12th area so has

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Jason Mefford: Has that timing kind of moved up because because everything is aligning sooner than we expected or

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Jason Mefford: Is there kind of two different event.

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star: Kind of things to be worried occasion we will talk about that January.

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Jason Mefford: OK, OK. I just didn’t know if it was okay.

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star: That’s just a real dramatic thing.

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star: But, but the the the year long economic slide begins in December. And since it’s happening. Just a couple weeks from now. I think people need to know

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star: So to

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Kathy Gruver: That point Jeannie I guess the question is, is it simply a matter of don’t spend all your money right now because maybe not more is coming as a matter of buy more stocks as a matter of, like, what, what

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Kathy Gruver: Stocks

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Kathy Gruver: I would not fall. Okay.

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Jason Mefford: probably sell before the third

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star: I would say the solution is to become to get through this period is to become more frugal

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star: One of the big issues through the year is going to be waste management.

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star: Interesting and you know I’ve always thought it was interesting that there were cultures where people lived off of waste dumps and what was in them.

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star: And I had someone at a lecture I gave recently say, well, my husband designed storage units. What do you think is going to happen with storage units, I said.

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star: I think people are probably going to start living off of what they’ve put in their storage units, if not living in the storage units directly

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star: So, you know, and there are key periods that we’ll talk about in a couple of minutes. But generally, the year is not going to be an expansive one. It’s also not going to be a particular into particularly intimate one

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star: There’s only one planet in water. So emotions are not powerful and there is, there are none of the outer planets are in a fire sign, which means that inspiration and energy in general are lacking through the entire year.

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Kathy Gruver: And

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star: It’s going to contribute to people feeling boxed in

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star: There are lots of planets in retrograde throughout the year. So movement forward is very limited. And in fact, there are only two months of time in the entire year were no planets are retrograde that’s very rare.

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star: And there are also three major conjunctions in the outer planets another rare experience and generally that marks the end of an old cycle and the beginning of a new cycle.

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star: There is no doubt that 2020 is a crucial year lots of endings. And fortunately, by the end of the year, lots of beginnings. So the old order ends by the end of 2020

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star: Everything points to tremendous changes in attitudes and direction.

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star: And the new world is pretty much unrecognizable from where we’re standing right now.

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Kathy Gruver: So I’m going to ask the question that every single person listening is thinking, does that mean Trump’s getting out of office.

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star: My personal analysis of a variety of charts is yes he’s out of office and primarily because the trend changes.

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star: When we have a trend that’s moving to progressive shorter place. I mean, they don’t fit and you can’t succeed when you’re out of sync with a cosmic trend. Sorry, people can say what they want, but it doesn’t work the stars always win.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh, okay. So I just, you had posted something on Facebook when when not to keep bringing politics in this, but I thought this was fascinating.

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Kathy Gruver: When better Rourke announced his candidacy. And then he subsequently dropped out. You had a really good point about that tell us what that was, because that’s a perfect example.

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star: Well, it’s a perfect example candidates not using astrologers, so he declared

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star: A time when Mercury was retrograde that happens about three times a year for around three weeks each. And during those periods.

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star: Things don’t move forward. Well, and anything you start during those periods, need to be needs to be redone.

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star: And if I had had his email address, I would have said beta drop out right away and wait till a better time to re enter. But I think he’s just gone. And it was interesting.

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star: To see Michael Bloomberg who probably does have an astrologer picked a much better day to declare that he was entering the race.

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star: Kamala Harris is another one who picked a bad time to declare and

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star: She declared on an eclipse, which means you know there’s this there’s like intense periods and then nothing and then intense periods and then nothing. So again, it’s certainly not what as as an astrologer, what I would have picked

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star: And here’s an interesting little anecdote in 20 no in 1999 yeah because the election was in 2000 I was contacted by someone ON THE GORE CAMPAIGN and said, Will you pick a date for us to declare and I did. And then the Bush campaign picked the day before.

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star: I thought okay, well that was obviously a good pic but not quite good enough.

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Kathy Gruver: All the hanging chads and that anyway. Okay. So I just put because I remember you throwing that thing in there about better work. And I thought, you know, that’s an interesting example to bring up so

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Kathy Gruver: Alright, moving forward. So we’ve got a year of endings which I had enough endings. I don’t want any more endings and I’m a Capricorn so apparently I’m getting pounded with it all. Yes.

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star: Well, yes, but then there are the people who don’t fit in at all. You know, this is still your year so austerity, a lot of austerity and a lot of these dramatic changes and people can’t hold on. They need to let things go they need to let old structures go

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star: And again, don’t expect to recognize the world as it turned out, be

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star: By the end of the year.

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star: Um, alright, let’s see. So I’m one of the problems with Capricorn is that it really encouraged encourages repression.

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star: And we have a lot of fear setting in. And this is going to happen if the economy goes south, people are going to be afraid. And what government does what authority does during those times is to set limitations.

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star: To help people not be afraid. So, you know, we’re going to see the walls closing in, and I always think when I every time I say that I think about the scene in Star Wars where they get thrown in the trash dump and the wall.

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star: That’s what it’s going to feel like

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star: Lots of rules. Lots of authority economic prices, it’s, it’s a serious reality check hardships deprivation. And one of the things I would say is really important is to know your neighbors so that when push comes to shove, you’re going to have people around you who can help. Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: So building that support system and those relationships, which is something Jason I talk about frequently. So, okay.

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Kathy Gruver: Making sure you’re surrounded by a team.

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star: Yes, yes.

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star: Um, let me take a brief moment to talk about the wall. And that’s because

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star: Saturn and capital screams wall.

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star: And one of the things that astrology does very well is examines timing. So

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star: In 1961 the Berlin Wall went up Saturn was in Capricorn in 1989 the Berlin Wall came down Saturn was in Capricorn.

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star: Here we are back again Saturn is in Capricorn people are talking about a wall. However, Saturn leaves Capricorn. By the end of 2020 and the wall will disappear.

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star: So there we have. That’s how I feel about ball wall.

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Jason Mefford: So that almost that actually with with all of the other turmoil and other things that are going on, chances are politically, economically, all that stuff won’t be able to probably get in place during 2020 and then it’ll just kind of get dropped right

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star: Yes, I would say, you know, the, the real struggle.

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star: And this is what happens continually when things get rocky authority clamps down, which is always the worst path to take.

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star: And that’s what we’re. That’s what we’re going to see. Yeah, in spite of. In addition, I guess, to all of this.

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star: Our friend Neptune is still in Pisces. This has been going on since 2012 2012 2014 2014 and Neptune is the planet of illusion.

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star: And lies and assembling as well as having a high spiritual sign side. But at this point, it seems to be wallowing in his lower self. And so we’ve had we’ve had this epidemic of fake news of everything being real nothing being real.

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star: Have weak psychological boundaries of every time I hear about another mass shooting and I hear them say, Oh, we can’t imagine what the motive could be. I want to say, I know, I know. Demons are afloat.

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star: And negative psychic forces have basically hacked in to humanity and are picking off the week and putting these thoughts into their heads because boundaries are dissolving

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star: And Neptune unfortunately remains in place all year. And in fact remains in place until 2021 of the other crucial Neptune issues is addiction.

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star: Addiction is once again a lot of boundaries dissolving being possessed.

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star: And it’s

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star: It doesn’t matter what’s going to be done. It’s not going to be resolved until 2025

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star: And my personal policy my policy recommendation if I were running for president.

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star: Would be that you know I asked a friend. I said, Where’s all this money going that these drug companies are paying

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star: In fines and, you know, where, where does that money go and nobody seems to be able to answer that question.

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star: But I think that a portion of it should absolutely be allocated to research into non addictive pain.

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star: Solutions because so many people get sucked into the whole OBO thing because of pain, no product pain is a horrible thing. What do you do somebody hands you this little pill and says, Here, take this this movement.

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Kathy Gruver: And it solves the problem. And there are certainly a place for pain meds, but I mean as a hypnotherapist hypnosis acupuncture massage meditation. I mean, there’s breath work. There’s tons of

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Kathy Gruver: Other

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, talk about for non addictive stuff. But that’s a whole nother show yeah the addiction thing is

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star: So that that keeps happening. And these are these are long cycles, you know, these are cycles that began like the cycle, we’re just finishing up with Neptune began in 1862 here we are finally finishing it up.

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star: So homelessness continues to be a major issue and in California. You are all

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star: changing face of homelessness. Yeah, people are being burned out of million dollar homes, you know, then what happens, how do you address that.

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star: And that, that’s all part of the restriction limitation. The fruitfulness the people you know, wanting to be have a simpler life earth based economies.

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star: Now one of the really interesting things that goes along with all this Capricorn and all of these other limiting

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star: Energies is that people are going to begin to demand morality in their government morality in their financial institutions morality into the people who claim that they should be allowed to govern and Heaven only knows, that would be a wonderful

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star: Free People need to demand it and contraction in the economy will make that easier to do.

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Kathy Gruver: Do you have a field Jeannie have, I mean as the as the

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Kathy Gruver: Hack of democrats narrows. Do you have a feel from an astrological perspective of who might come out on top of this.

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star: I really don’t. I look at them and I think

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star: I, you know, I’d vote I vote for my couch before

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Jason Mefford: For some of them.

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star: Now the bride vote for Donald Trump.

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Jason Mefford: Oh, wow. Good.

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Kathy Gruver: For, you know,

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star: Of those folks I know one shows me what I think is needed, yet I say that I don’t know if that means somebody’s going to break out of the pack. If that means that there’s going to be somebody years

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star: But feeling my body deteriorates

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star: I want to say, why would anybody over 70 even want the job.

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Kathy Gruver: That’s insane people. Why would anybody want the job.

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Kathy Gruver: Exactly.

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Jason Mefford: That’s my point.

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star: That’s true. Well, you know,

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star: I there are people who want to change the world. And the way to do it and maybe they’re right although I’ve just been reading sort of reading about Watergate. It’s like nothing you

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Kathy Gruver: Know, it doesn’t. I mean, I watched a special on Watergate and I kept turning to Michael and going. This is the exact same thing. And he’s like, I know you know it’s like, what do we see what are we not learning from the others anyway.

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star: So back to our January.

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star: 10 wealth period because that’s really a crucial time

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Kathy Gruver: Oh no. Okay, that’s my birthday weekend. Okay.

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star: birthday weekend.

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Kathy Gruver: Well, my birthday is the six but we’re having a big blow up in Vegas. The 10th through the 12th. Oh shit. Okay, good.

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star: Oh, okay. Um, what we have them is a conjunction a coming together of Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn.

00:23:03.750 –> 00:23:11.670
star: And this happens only once this year. Very often, big aspects happen three times as they move forward move backwards.

00:23:12.660 –> 00:23:39.420
star: This particular aspect has only happened six times since 450 bc six times. The last time it happened was 500 years ago. So we’re going to have this major force come into being. For the first time in 500 years

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star: It’s, you know, it’s, it’s going to be hard, it slows everything down. It concentrates experiences the hand and destiny comes into being.

00:23:54.210 –> 00:24:09.270
star: People everybody’s going to feel persecuted and I just love it. Sometimes I see these you know photographs of some billionaire crying because they may raises taxes and I think everybody everybody thinks to being person.

00:24:11.700 –> 00:24:28.920
star: Come on, get serious. So this happens you know and and these are evolutionary forces, what we’re going through is an evolutionary force and light time evolution only moves in one direction forward.

00:24:29.580 –> 00:24:47.880
star: And there is no stopping it. And when you try to repress an evolutionary force it all blows up and all the old stuff gets totally destroyed and you have chaos and that’s a whole lot worse then you got to clean it up and you know it’s really

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star: So,

00:24:50.640 –> 00:24:54.960
star: So anyway, what I like to do is look at

00:24:56.370 –> 00:25:11.580
star: The historical patterns of 500 years ago, the last time this aspect happened was in 1520 I looked at all the things that occurred in 1520 and there were a lot of, you know, changes and

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star: Key genes, but here.

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Jason Mefford: Are the big things.

00:25:16.650 –> 00:25:29.730
star: Here’s what I think was the biggest thing that happened in 1520 was that chocolate made it to Europe from the Aztecs. So here we have five

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Jason Mefford: Well,

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Jason Mefford: That’s a good thing. That’s a very good thing.

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Kathy Gruver: I should have chocolate for my birthday.

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star: Yeah, definitely. Definitely Maybe a big life size chocolate Cathy. Oh.

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Kathy Gruver: Jason good on that.

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Kathy Gruver: I want to like chocolate coffee.

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Jason Mefford: And, you know, around that same time to. I mean, I don’t have the dates in my head as well. But, you know, is around that time.

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Jason Mefford: That I believe that the printing press actually kind of came, came about, around, around that time and it really kind of started that time period really started the beginning of the Renaissance. Yes. And in Europe.

00:26:14.280 –> 00:26:33.900
Jason Mefford: So, you know, again, even though, you know, like you said, kind of the Middle Ages, or medieval times were kind of cast aside and it became a more expansive or the beginning of a new expansive period but effectively we could be entering into a new Renaissance as humans on the planet.

00:26:34.020 –> 00:26:34.800
star: Kind of going right.

00:26:35.490 –> 00:26:37.530
Jason Mefford: Once we get once we get through it once again.

00:26:38.880 –> 00:26:39.960
star: We still here.

00:26:40.260 –> 00:26:40.530

00:26:42.630 –> 00:27:01.350
star: So the other sort of really interesting factoid, is that that particular aspect of Saturn Pluto aspect and several other through others through the year happen at 22 degrees.

00:27:01.980 –> 00:27:26.010
star: Now it happens at 22 degrees Capricorn but 22 is the key number here. And anyone who does numerology knows 22 is the ultimate number. So we see this number reappearing through out the year and it’s an end. If you look at

00:27:27.570 –> 00:27:32.580
star: And you take out the two zeros. What do you end up with 22

00:27:34.980 –> 00:27:50.040
star: And so it’s it’s very universal. It has a very universal outlook it benefits mankind. It’s a builder energy absolute honesty very constructive so

00:27:51.150 –> 00:28:05.940
star: Energy permeates the year in a number of ways. So think about that when you see when you hear 22 you’ll know it’s destiny speaking in 2024

00:28:07.680 –> 00:28:19.980
star: Okay. One of the other interesting maybe economic ish crises point comes on April 4

00:28:20.640 –> 00:28:41.430
star: When not only is there another one of these major aspects, this time Jupiter conjunct Pluto, but it’s also crisis in the astrological chart of the Federal Reserve Bank. So, something will happen, something will happen on April 4

00:28:42.660 –> 00:28:56.070
star: It will be, you know, some sort of conflict with authority something technological there will really be no way of knowing what actually happened but

00:28:57.270 –> 00:29:02.820
star: Seeds of healing will occur will be planted during that period.

00:29:04.170 –> 00:29:09.180
star: And then I let me get the date the date is, I think,

00:29:10.740 –> 00:29:12.480
star: Late March.

00:29:13.500 –> 00:29:16.110
star: Late March of 2020 See I keep

00:29:17.160 –> 00:29:18.750
star: I keep 2020

00:29:19.920 –> 00:29:20.520
star: K for him.

00:29:21.990 –> 00:29:24.840
star: So I could unfold it so

00:29:26.370 –> 00:29:51.540
star: This and go into so Saturn goes into Aquarius which breaks this Capricorn log jam, which introduces some of this progressive energy, which becomes the major force by the end of the year that occurs on March 21 which is two days after

00:29:52.200 –> 00:29:53.460
Kathy Gruver: Spring Equinox

00:29:53.490 –> 00:30:09.210
star: during spring equinox spring equinox is on the 19th late night 19th. So there’s this new force that enters and it stays for a couple of months.

00:30:10.080 –> 00:30:31.260
star: And all the Capricorn comes back again until the end of the year. So we should look. It’ll be interesting to see how the political scene changes over a couple of months in the spring when the energy shifts and attitudes shift.

00:30:32.610 –> 00:30:37.980
star: And then you’re going to receive and returned again.

00:30:40.710 –> 00:30:41.130
star: So,

00:30:44.790 –> 00:30:45.510
Kathy Gruver: I’m exhausted.

00:30:46.110 –> 00:30:47.940
Jason Mefford: I know you’re taking notes and like

00:30:50.850 –> 00:30:55.770
Kathy Gruver: And and for anybody who is listening to this, God does this amazing recording that you can buy.

00:30:56.520 –> 00:31:03.330
Kathy Gruver: Me $5 on your website or something that tells you everything. So if you’re not getting every word she saying

00:31:04.500 –> 00:31:05.010
Kathy Gruver: Monica.

00:31:05.370 –> 00:31:05.850
Jason Mefford: Monica.

00:31:06.030 –> 00:31:09.960
star: You our talk, I’ll be recording it on December 10

00:31:10.140 –> 00:31:13.260
Kathy Gruver: So good be available for sale.

00:31:13.590 –> 00:31:22.050
star: So yeah, so Saturn is in Aquarius for march through July and then again at the end of the year.

00:31:22.410 –> 00:31:53.640
star: And it’s interesting because the previous times and then it goes through 21 and 22 so it doesn’t go away instantly and the previous times or 1932 to 3519 6264 1991 to 94, all of which were very nice years lots of things move forward. So that was once I saw that it made me feel better.

00:31:55.380 –> 00:31:58.560
star: Like okay, it won’t be so terrible.

00:32:00.420 –> 00:32:01.050
star: So, so I

00:32:01.320 –> 00:32:01.530
Jason Mefford: Mean

00:32:01.950 –> 00:32:08.190
Jason Mefford: To me, like you said before. I mean, a lot of this stuff has to go away to make room for the new

00:32:08.640 –> 00:32:24.840
Jason Mefford: And then I mean that’s as human nature, you know, we don’t like change because we’re afraid of losing or something new, but it’s again, like you said, it’s, it’s this evolutionary process. It’s, it’s, yes. What has to happen. We have to go through that period of loss in order to gain again.

00:32:25.650 –> 00:32:32.670
star: And and that I believe is really why Trump appeared on the scene.

00:32:35.070 –> 00:32:47.880
star: There needed to be this wiping away of the own forms and it took somebody who was totally non cognizant

00:32:49.290 –> 00:32:54.780
star: Of what those words word why they existed in order to wipe it clean.

00:32:54.840 –> 00:32:55.500
Kathy Gruver: Your wife don’t

00:32:58.170 –> 00:33:06.840
star: Really keep going in this direction because they weren’t all bad, there were reasons for protocol, there were reasons for these forms.

00:33:07.980 –> 00:33:30.210
star: So, you know, people have now seen things break down and we’ll be able to rebuild them and on the economic scene Aquarius really promises a fairer economic structure more equality. So, you know, I think that’s a good thing.

00:33:30.450 –> 00:33:41.730
star: Yeah, I’m one of the things I do not see when I look at the charts of the Constitution and the giants of the Declaration of Independence.

00:33:42.090 –> 00:34:03.990
star: Which are the charts that astrologers look at to talk about what’s happening in the country. I don’t see this civil war, the right wing crazies are saying this is what’s going to happen if they get rid of drop. You know, so like, No, I don’t think so. SORRY GUY. Is it just is it in the stars.

00:34:05.310 –> 00:34:18.030
star: And today, I mean right now about all I can believe in are the stars. You know, they don’t lie, nobody makes fake news out of what Pluto and Saturn are doing

00:34:21.510 –> 00:34:49.230
star: So big money continues to be under attack independent women continue to gain power homelessness exactly homelessness continues as a major issue and one of the new the new trends is this whole obsession with reducing waste with us management with streamlining everything

00:34:50.970 –> 00:35:13.590
star: We should speak briefly about fashion because we know how important fashion is. And one of the things we’re going to see our fashion trends that reflect a tremendous consciousness of your status. Now, the fact is, people have different states.

00:35:14.550 –> 00:35:32.850
star: Don’t people want their status to be oh I’m concerned about waste. So I shop at secondhand stores or I dress simply some people want their status to reflect. I can afford brand names and expensive brand names.

00:35:33.210 –> 00:35:56.550
star: So people are going to be wearing their status repurpose thing is going to be very important on every level, we will have bouts of reared, particularly during that Saturn in Aquarius people period in the spring, the mineral kingdom will be very important jewels.

00:35:56.970 –> 00:35:57.120
Kathy Gruver: Are

00:35:57.210 –> 00:36:07.590
star: rare metals gold. So people say, well, you mean we should go out and buy gold. I said, Yeah, but by little bitty pieces.

00:36:08.760 –> 00:36:10.590
star: So you can have change.

00:36:13.440 –> 00:36:14.790
star: What are you going to trade that for

00:36:17.400 –> 00:36:22.800
Jason Mefford: It’s interesting, you know, because I mean we’re here, we’re talking about, obviously the astrological side of it.

00:36:23.250 –> 00:36:30.540
Jason Mefford: But economically, right, that’s my bad, my business background. I mean, again, a lot of these things. We’re seeing economically.

00:36:31.020 –> 00:36:41.430
Jason Mefford: And so just like you said in a period when if everything hits the fan stock market crashes gold goes up, it always does. Yes. Right. Because again, people move their money from

00:36:41.820 –> 00:36:53.370
Jason Mefford: You know, the, the either commodities market or the stock market into something like gold. So, it totally makes sense. But yeah, by the by the by the thin stuff, not the stuff around your neck.

00:36:55.050 –> 00:36:59.250
star: Well, that’s another one of those historic realities is in this

00:37:00.690 –> 00:37:12.930
star: Period, or maybe even earlier. One of the earlier parts of the cycle. The Venice, which was at that time, sort of the commercial center of the world.

00:37:13.260 –> 00:37:29.130
star: Invented gold nuggets that dominated European currency for 600 years. So it’s like okay, we can go out, make gold buckets. And so people say, well, well, what about alternative currencies like

00:37:29.970 –> 00:37:48.180
star: I don’t know. I don’t understand. I don’t get alternative currencies and I feel confident that if I’m sitting there and I wave $100 bill or I wave a Bitcoin whatever Bitcoin looks like people are going to go for that hundred dollar

00:37:50.250 –> 00:37:55.170
star: So I don’t know what to say about alternative currencies, um,

00:37:56.460 –> 00:38:07.710
star: The other thing are that that’s going to be big this year are unicorns. So you can take your unicorn out of the basement and put it in the backyard, because it’s not

00:38:08.790 –> 00:38:14.850
star: Popular. I don’t know what that means but unicorns are gonna be hot this year.

00:38:16.020 –> 00:38:20.550
star: And then, of course, chocolate, as we know, in the health arena.

00:38:21.990 –> 00:38:22.560
Jason Mefford: You go

00:38:23.520 –> 00:38:24.030
star: To court.

00:38:25.980 –> 00:38:26.790
Kathy Gruver: Chocolate balls.

00:38:31.320 –> 00:38:35.730
Kathy Gruver: It walks around and it was, and then it poops. It will chocolate poopy balls.

00:38:38.820 –> 00:38:40.860
star: Well market that Kathy.

00:38:44.970 –> 00:38:48.240
Kathy Gruver: Somehow, I don’t think I invented it, but I happen to have one. So, yeah, okay.

00:38:49.980 –> 00:38:50.670
Jason Mefford: You never

00:38:52.200 –> 00:38:55.800
star: So health. We already talked about the whole addiction seen

00:38:57.660 –> 00:39:13.080
star: Health issues will be very Capricorn Ian, which is tightness arthritis crystallization. And in one of the earlier historic periods that is that similar to this one.

00:39:13.770 –> 00:39:40.890
star: The it was discovered that electrical impulses. What is it that that electrical impulse nerve that nervous in the elected. What was discovered was the electrical nature of nervous impulses. So I think we may see electricity being used in addiction treatment and arthritis treatments.

00:39:42.360 –> 00:39:49.500
star: You know, if I may. And of course, acupuncture is very oriented to move electrical energy around

00:39:49.710 –> 00:40:01.110
Jason Mefford: In the books. It’s interesting because I actually just saw somebody made reference to this, this new device. It’s effectively like a Tesla coil like that Nikola Tesla came up with.

00:40:01.650 –> 00:40:17.100
Jason Mefford: But it’s a home appliance that you can actually use to help change and use elect the electricity to be able to change the energy flow in your body as well. So again, that kind of goes right along with this of there’s already an appliance out there for it.

00:40:17.250 –> 00:40:17.370
star: And

00:40:18.030 –> 00:40:19.830
Jason Mefford: There’s times when there’s tons of it, you know.

00:40:20.100 –> 00:40:23.340
Jason Mefford: But it’s starting to come. It’s starting to come out now and again just

00:40:23.340 –> 00:40:25.140
Jason Mefford: Lines right up with what we’re talking about.

00:40:25.470 –> 00:40:31.470
star: Yes, and I think they just think I just saw something they were doing at WVU in that same

00:40:32.670 –> 00:40:34.350
Kathy Gruver: I believe that, I believe. Okay.

00:40:34.710 –> 00:40:42.000
star: Um, now, right. So what else do we have here, natural disasters continue

00:40:42.600 –> 00:40:55.200
star: Natural disasters, you know, and you will remember last year, we talked about natural disasters and how they were going to become a big trend and this continues for at least another five years.

00:40:55.860 –> 00:41:14.760
star: And this is going to contribute to the economic issue because somehow it’s like I’m sorry, why aren’t their insurance companies going bankrupt left and right, with all these natural disasters and so I did a little peripheral very

00:41:15.720 –> 00:41:26.220
star: Very skimming research online and two things happen. One is that insurance companies are heavily invested in the stock market.

00:41:26.520 –> 00:41:40.320
star: So they’re making a lot of money right now because the stock market is going up and they benefited tremendously from the Trump tax cut. I didn’t know insurance companies were middle class people but

00:41:42.480 –> 00:41:44.010
Kathy Gruver: I suspected. I thought they were

00:41:45.060 –> 00:42:02.940
star: So they’re making. They are going bankrupt and collapsing, not because they’re not losing money on their core business. But because we’re making money. Other places and that insurance losses over the past year.

00:42:03.930 –> 00:42:17.970
star: Were up 56%. Can you imagine if your business loss was up 50% so that’s going to be contribute to this.

00:42:19.050 –> 00:42:20.760
star: Economic crisis.

00:42:20.970 –> 00:42:25.920
Jason Mefford: Well, yeah, because especially when their assets from the stock market investments.

00:42:26.220 –> 00:42:27.450
Jason Mefford: When those greater

00:42:27.870 –> 00:42:32.310
Jason Mefford: Yeah, they’re going to become insolvent. So we saw the same thing with pension funds.

00:42:33.330 –> 00:42:37.470
Jason Mefford: when when when the, when the stock market crash to, you know, in 2002

00:42:38.520 –> 00:42:43.830
Jason Mefford: Most people because again the pension plans, just like the insurance companies were making all this money on the market.

00:42:44.550 –> 00:42:46.140
Jason Mefford: But now that when that when they

00:42:46.470 –> 00:42:53.790
Jason Mefford: Lost that and the payouts came they ended up becoming insolvent. So we’re going to see that again with a, with an economic downturn.

00:42:54.090 –> 00:42:55.080
Kathy Gruver: Yeah, well,

00:42:55.260 –> 00:42:58.800
Kathy Gruver: So I probably have just a little like five or six more minutes. So

00:42:59.250 –> 00:43:03.660
star: Okay, five or six more minutes. All right. We already talked about the politics.

00:43:05.430 –> 00:43:17.940
star: Probably the country that will be affected the most by a lot of this because of is in there is China, both in the financial and and conflict.

00:43:18.990 –> 00:43:33.420
star: Will also see conflict in Syria and Saudi Arabia, Guatemala and Singapore Mexico and Mexico City. Both have historic links to period like this.

00:43:35.760 –> 00:43:58.260
star: The people, the American people are you know what they want. They want things to be better. They want candidates that function on a high moral level they want them to be sane and reasonable and acknowledge the tightening of the situation and avoid fanaticism.

00:44:00.300 –> 00:44:06.210
star: There’ll be new structures with fewer resources. So they may be more solid

00:44:07.980 –> 00:44:15.480
star: Alright, let’s see, what else do you guys have any other burning questions. Why look to see if there’s anything else I really want to say here.

00:44:23.400 –> 00:44:23.970
star: You know,

00:44:25.980 –> 00:44:47.100
star: Month by month December, it starts January in February, are very difficult with everything sort of shutting down march and then we have moving into a more progressive period in March for a couple of months.

00:44:51.240 –> 00:44:54.390
star: And then

00:44:55.410 –> 00:44:58.530
star: elect a lecture days. Very interesting.

00:44:58.710 –> 00:44:58.950
Kathy Gruver: Well,

00:44:59.460 –> 00:45:15.840
star: Of course, now that we have 40% of votes are cast before election day hard. I keep trying to tell astrologers this and they just Tina, they’re not political scientists, they’re not campaigns, get it.

00:45:17.160 –> 00:45:25.470
star: But it’s mercury are standing still, we end the Mercury retrograde period on election day.

00:45:25.800 –> 00:45:31.530
star: So there’s going to be lots of breakdowns and machines.

00:45:32.730 –> 00:45:37.350
star: Lots of adjustment to surprising results.

00:45:39.060 –> 00:45:44.880
star: positive energy for females, both as candidates and as voters.

00:45:45.930 –> 00:45:58.890
star: power struggles in the following week as there’s going to be recounts people, you know, all kinds of things, but it seems to smooth out. And as I said, I don’t see a major revolution.

00:45:59.400 –> 00:46:23.520
star: And then everything gets much better at Winter Solstice when Jupiter and Saturn both move into Aquarius. The message from the higher beings is brotherhood humanitarian is a universal universal energy and equality. Wow.

00:46:25.560 –> 00:46:32.490
Kathy Gruver: So from a business perspective. Okay, so my actual just instinctive thing. A couple weeks ago was that I was going to use

00:46:33.270 –> 00:46:46.920
Kathy Gruver: For a year of learning for finishing up any certain certification stuff that I wanted to do and that I wasn’t particularly going to try to launch anything new. It was going to be more building period and then in 2021 make those moves. Does that sound like a good instinct of

00:46:47.490 –> 00:47:01.500
star: Yes, it does. It’s the right thing to do and for people. You know the right thing to do for existing businesses is to get rid of the dead one to cut out the stuff that’s wasteful to

00:47:02.100 –> 00:47:12.090
star: Bring everything down to its core to what’s essential to what really needs to move forward with you into this new period.

00:47:13.290 –> 00:47:20.070
Kathy Gruver: Um, any real. I mean, it’s just sort of like how our relationships with with spouses with partners with other people in 2020

00:47:20.520 –> 00:47:22.020
Kathy Gruver: Hard, but you’re

00:47:24.750 –> 00:47:28.620
star: Not like I said that there isn’t a whole lot of emotion.

00:47:28.680 –> 00:47:34.590
star: Out though so practical. Relationships are going to be the best ones.

00:47:36.510 –> 00:47:37.530
star: Exactly.

00:47:37.860 –> 00:47:38.520
Kathy Gruver: Man, Jay.

00:47:39.690 –> 00:47:54.090
star: And find yourself a Taurus because Taurus is always will have enough food in the refrigerator and a roof over their head because no matter what happens, torres’s they’re all about practical reality.

00:47:55.140 –> 00:47:56.340
Kathy Gruver: What those those Capricorn.

00:47:56.730 –> 00:47:59.910
star: Capricorn to but Torah says, or more earthy about it.

00:48:00.210 –> 00:48:00.450
star: Can

00:48:00.990 –> 00:48:04.530
star: Get lost in that corporate structure, not the Taurus.

00:48:04.920 –> 00:48:05.760
Kathy Gruver: Taurus. He’s like,

00:48:05.970 –> 00:48:12.420
star: Okay, I’ve got a good guard. I’ve got a house here I can get through this.

00:48:13.290 –> 00:48:16.470
Kathy Gruver: Perfect Virgos are too busy organizing the food to remember the bias.

00:48:18.900 –> 00:48:20.340
star: Crushing in the walls.

00:48:21.960 –> 00:48:22.530
star: That’s funny.

00:48:22.650 –> 00:48:24.570
Kathy Gruver: Okay, Jason. Any final thoughts from you.

00:48:26.100 –> 00:48:40.080
Jason Mefford: Know, I mean, again, it’s, it’s, you know, I know a lot of a lot of this may look bleak. Right. But the whole idea is the better prepared. We are what can happen because again said, you know, starting starting kind of next week ish

00:48:40.800 –> 00:48:49.800
Jason Mefford: There can be some things that it’s going to be a little scary and December, January, February, it’s going to get better in march through July.

00:48:50.430 –> 00:49:00.570
Jason Mefford: It’s going to get a little worse again. But then we’re going to get to the winter solstice and December and things are going to kind of pick back up again. So again, I mean, Cathy. Just like your question there you know of

00:49:01.290 –> 00:49:06.090
Jason Mefford: What do I do in business, what, how do I kind of work with this work with the changing seasons.

00:49:06.180 –> 00:49:07.260
Jason Mefford: As well right and

00:49:07.260 –> 00:49:27.510
Jason Mefford: And kind of know what’s coming. And, you know, as I’ve learned more about because I’m a newbie compared to both of you. Right. But the whole Mercury in retrograde, you know, kind of stuff. I never really understood that and and even even what was it last week. I think it switched over right

00:49:28.950 –> 00:49:29.130
Kathy Gruver: Yeah.

00:49:29.190 –> 00:49:36.630
Jason Mefford: Yeah, something like Wednesday, right, that I can tell you know the beginning of the week is like nobody was answering my messages. Nothing only coming through.

00:49:37.380 –> 00:49:55.560
Jason Mefford: You know, and again, I’m starting to pull my hair out, which I don’t have on and then it’s like somebody mentioned again while mercury is just coming out. Okay, okay, okay. That makes sense. And so the more you kind of understand and just kind of go with the flow and not try to find it. Right.

00:49:55.830 –> 00:49:56.340
star: Don’t be

00:49:56.460 –> 00:49:58.290
Jason Mefford: Better off we’re going to be. Yeah.

00:49:58.740 –> 00:50:02.520
star: Don’t be afraid, and don’t believe all the lies. Yeah.

00:50:04.050 –> 00:50:16.770
star: It’s really important to know that just because they say everything is wonderful, doesn’t mean it really is look to reality look to how it feels in your in your real life.

00:50:18.210 –> 00:50:30.810
star: So people can get the full blasted two hours discussion month by month what it means for every sign. I’ll be recording that on December.

00:50:31.650 –> 00:50:49.140
star: December 10 here in Berkeley springs and people can look at my website, which is Star wv.com and there will be a way to order the CDS $20 2020 and your

00:50:49.980 –> 00:50:56.400
Kathy Gruver: Man and and i have to say i mean i tend to buy at the very least one, if not two copies and then I

00:50:56.760 –> 00:50:59.880
Kathy Gruver: I give one to a girlfriend, Lester. Like, you have to listen to this.

00:51:00.090 –> 00:51:04.440
Kathy Gruver: Because in the car and because there’s so much to absorb. So it’s like I have to listen to a two or three times.

00:51:04.620 –> 00:51:09.870
Kathy Gruver: And all like mark the timestamp of where each month is because it’s like, I want to know and I’m right, taking notes in my book. Yeah.

00:51:10.110 –> 00:51:20.790
Kathy Gruver: It is so invaluable for business and for again for those people, of course, they probably haven’t even gotten this far. But for those of you who can stroll June, there’s reasons for this. It’s trends. It’s patterns. It’s, you know,

00:51:21.330 –> 00:51:24.720
Kathy Gruver: Just because you don’t watch the weather forecast doesn’t mean you can stop the rain.

00:51:25.410 –> 00:51:26.760
Kathy Gruver: It’s going to happen anyway.

00:51:26.910 –> 00:51:27.360

00:51:29.130 –> 00:51:36.480
Kathy Gruver: I’m gonna rain. Okay, so be prepared for it if you don’t watch the news cast and you don’t know that you need the umbrella legal office that day.

00:51:36.510 –> 00:51:36.720
star: So,

00:51:37.020 –> 00:51:45.390
Kathy Gruver: Be prepared take those steps star web com go get genius CD I’m Kathy Coover I can be reached at Kathy Gruber calm.

00:51:45.780 –> 00:51:50.910
Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached to Jason effort com so Jamie, thanks for coming on.

00:51:51.390 –> 00:51:51.750
star: Thank you.

00:51:52.530 –> 00:51:56.730
Jason Mefford: And we’ll see everybody on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast. So, yeah.

00:51:57.030 –> 00:51:57.480

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