In this episode we share a few items we keep around our offices and the meaning behind each one. Not only do you learn a little more about each of us, but each item we discuss ultimately leads to some discussing some tips and wisdom on simple things you can do to unlock your potential.

Learn what Mr. Rogers, a guinea pig, an angel, turtle, cards and a weird finger exercise tool have to do with unlocking your potential, and learn a little more about each of us too 🙂

The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.

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Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast, I’m your co host Kathy, Grover.

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason Medford, hey, we thought we do another one of these episodes that you’re going to hear every so often about what’s on your desk. Yes, because we had such a fun time. Last time doing this so we just got to do it again.

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Kathy Gruver: So did, and I’m gonna have to start gathering more I have so much crap on my desk.

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Kathy Gruver: Not crap very meaningful things. Some of this crap. I’ll be honest, it’s some it’s crap but

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Kathy Gruver: Ya know, I thought it was a great idea and it sparked a lot of conversation and I had a friend who used to say that she could walk into anybody’s house.

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Kathy Gruver: And by looking at the first three things she saw know everything about that person and she was pretty damn good at it. I have to say.

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Kathy Gruver: So, you know, what is your workspace. What is your desk. What are those things that you surround yourself by saying to those people. What is it saying to you.

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Kathy Gruver: What ego state what personality. What are you bringing out in yourself by what you’re surrounded by so I love these episodes. So I’m really excited about it. So,

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Jason Mefford: Well, and you can learn a lot from people by the things that they have around them, because it’s interesting that you bring that up to your friend because

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Jason Mefford: You know, in my professional career interview. A lot of people, you know, and in auditing and kind of into that environment.

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Jason Mefford: building rapport trying to learn a little bit about people. I would I would use this technique as well, to be able to kind of understand and know

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Jason Mefford: About the person to be able to know how to communicate with them learn a little bit more build that rapport with them so it’s it’s even funny like

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Jason Mefford: I was chatting back and forth with a friend. You know, because I just I just kind of had this feeling like maybe she wasn’t having a great day. So I just I just sent her a quick text you know and and she came back and said, oh, you know, I’m scared of your Vulcan mind tricks.

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Kathy Gruver: And it’s

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Jason Mefford: It’s like okay Vulcan mind tricks I know she’s a Trekkie not a Star Wars geek. Right. So it’s like okay, because if she was a Star Wars game she would have said your Jedi.

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Kathy Gruver: Mind trick, right.

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Jason Mefford: But just even picking up on that. I kind of knew or learn something more about her.

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Jason Mefford: Right, which you know again makes it makes our relationship deeper, if you will. And I learned more about her so

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah but but also credit what that says about you is that you’re present with that person you’re aware of your surroundings and remember a couple episodes back. We did that listening of first person, second person third person. The third was

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Kathy Gruver: Taking into account the entire group, the entire environment of what’s going on. So when you walk into a person’s desk and you want that promotion. You want that sales call you want that.

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Kathy Gruver: What are you seeing around that you can go, Oh, it was that you and your wife in Bora Bora. Oh, I’ve been there too. I’ve always wanted to

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Kathy Gruver: Go, you know, I mean, you don’t want to, you want to be as people you don’t want to make sure you don’t want to be that guy.

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Kathy Gruver: What that was

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Jason Mefford: Was

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Kathy Gruver: I got too much sleep. Okay.

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Kathy Gruver: Finally, Good thing I finally slept a lot so anyway.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah. So, and then, but that’s a testament, you have you you’re paying attention you’re being present with that person wants to make those human connections and for people who are introverted.

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Kathy Gruver: And I just threw a giant birthday party for myself. And it was really fascinating watching the introverted people kind of stand off by themselves going on. Please talk to me or no one talked to me. Talk to me.

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Kathy Gruver: Talk to me. You know, I had 3030 people shoved in my teeny little house. And what I did is I opened up the party. My playing human being.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh,

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Kathy Gruver: Paper with

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Kathy Gruver: Data arison Neville that side of the country, you know, that kind of thing. And you had to walk around and find people that fit that category. Couldn’t repeat name so you can put Joe for everything.

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Kathy Gruver: But it got you meeting other people because these are people from all walks in my life, this wasn’t just all trapeze folks or all massage clients or all

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Kathy Gruver: girlfriends. I mean, this was people from every aspect of my life and so many people complimented me on. I love that game because it got us talking to other people and

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Kathy Gruver: Pay attention asked questions, try to build that report. Okay. Jason What’s on your desk.

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Jason Mefford: All right, well, all the time I do this one first today.

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Jason Mefford: It’s Mr. Rogers.

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Jason Mefford: Okay.

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Jason Mefford: And even he, like if I push this little button here.

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Jason Mefford: I like to think of all kinds of helpers in our work. He says, like three or four different things, but

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Jason Mefford: Why I have Mr. Rogers on my desk. I love. Mr. Rogers Okay. I grew up. I grew up watching him.

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Jason Mefford: And and there’s some characteristics that he has that I want to emulate his kindness. His compassion and caring for people

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Jason Mefford: I want to show up. I want that ego state to show up a lot. Right. And so having him on my desk reminds me of that, in fact, you know, one of my little morning rituals, as I listened to some music. And one of those songs is it’s such a good feeling to know you’re alive. Okay.

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Kathy Gruver: Be feeling. Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: And so every day I get a little boost of Fred Rogers, you know, with that. And another thing you know about about him is as we’ve talked about ego states before

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Jason Mefford: You know, and about stepping into or trying to to get into that ego state, you know, if you watch the show.

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Jason Mefford: Mr. Rogers would come through the front door right in his in his you know suit jacket. He would go to the closet, he would take off right his jacket, he would put on a sweater.

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Jason Mefford: He would go over, sit down, take off his dress shoes and put on sneakers. And so to me, too. It’s, it’s a great reminder, like we’ve talked about before.

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Jason Mefford: Of, you know, getting present trying to move into that ego state when he took off this the the jacket, the suit jacket and put on the sweater, he becomes Mr. Rogers.

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Jason Mefford: And so the ego states like we’ve been talking about. I mean, he physically did some

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Jason Mefford: Things to get into that role. And so again, this is what we’ve been preaching for over a year now, folks. Here’s, here’s some things that you can do to try to show up that way. And so that’s that’s why I have Mr. Rogers on my desk.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah. Oh, I love it and I not only grew up watching. Mr. Rogers. I grew up in Pittsburgh, where it was filmed and my father worked for. And then eventually owned

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Kathy Gruver: a paint store that provided all the theatrical paint to any movies and stuff that was happening in Pittsburgh. So guess who got to be times on the set of Mr writers

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Jason Mefford: I did not know that about you.

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Kathy Gruver: And this is so cool. This is one of my three Truths and a Lie thing my first TV appearance ever was on Mister Rogers neighborhood I was one of the kids that fed the fish. Yes.

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Jason Mefford: No way. Okay, see.

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Kathy Gruver: An audit.

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Kathy Gruver: autograph. I have like oh my god yeah cuz I mean, I grew up down the street essentially from

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Kathy Gruver: Where they were filming that and I got to

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Kathy Gruver: Pull the puppets and oh my god it was like the coolest thing ever. And, you know, as a as a little kid, you’re just kind of like

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Kathy Gruver: You know, because it’s somebody you see on TV and you’re I was probably four or five I mean like I couldn’t even tell you how old I was, but that experience stuck with me and I love. Mr. Rogers and I

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Kathy Gruver: I watched the documentary, which was so moving to me. And you know, it’s just because it also takes me back home, like when they show the area, the aerial shot of the neighborhood. That’s what I grew up with. I mean, that’s what I grew up with. So we need, we need a Mr. Rogers right now. Definitely.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and see, you know, again, for everybody who’s listening right we’ve known each other. We’ve been friends for two, three years now, at least I did not know that about you. Now I do because

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Jason Mefford: We’re having this conversation all because of you know my little Mr. Rogers that’s sitting on my desk.

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Jason Mefford: Yep. Yep. Cool.

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Kathy Gruver: So I don’t, um,

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Kathy Gruver: It’s interesting because some of the things I have on my desk. I just have cuz I like them, which is a fine reason to have things on your desk, but this one should see

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Kathy Gruver: This we’re only know where the cameras on this thing. Where is the camera anyway.

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Jason Mefford: We can see it.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, so this is a little hamster, a little guinea pig kind of thing. And the reason I have this is remember way back when we started doing this and we were filming at my office.

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Kathy Gruver: I have a guinea pig named least. Oh, it was my little office packed and people hold him and people uncomfortable pat him and they play with them and he squeaks of them. He’s very talkative these days.

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Kathy Gruver: And so a girlfriend of mine was walking through some store somewhere in the world saw this and went, Oh, it’s a little least. Oh, and so she went out of her way.

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Kathy Gruver: To buy this roommate and give it to me.

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Kathy Gruver: And it sits on my desk, because here I don’t have at least. Oh, I have my least what my office, but to me, this is a reminder, not only of my cute little fuzzy guy at the office, but it’s a reminder that people think of me and if people

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Kathy Gruver: Know what I like. And they get me.

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Kathy Gruver: Because she knew I would love this little thing and it has said on my desk and she gave it to me. So it’s just a reminder that there are people out there who are thinking of you. There are people out there who are there for you.

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Kathy Gruver: So a lot of this stuff on my desk is just things people have given me, but it’s a reminder that I am thought of that. I am cared about and that I’m important enough to people that I come to the forethought forefront of their mind.

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Kathy Gruver: And they don’t have to buy me things. But I mean there’s just a little token of the fact that she thought, which I really appreciate you know and it makes me feel special and loved and appreciated and all that stuff.

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Jason Mefford: Well, I think you know with that too. You know that it shows as well there’s there’s multiple meanings behind a lot of these things.

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Jason Mefford: Right. So again, you have least owe it at work. Now you have a representation of him at home as well so that that’s that’s one benefit of it. But like you said, you know, it’s, it’s something that someone gave you as well. Right. So again, it means something to you because of that as well. So

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Kathy Gruver: Cool. It’s a little one. Okay, I’ll do my next one next. Okay, so this is again something somebody gave to me, but it was before. One of my surgeries and it is an angel.

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Kathy Gruver: Mm hmm. That has Kathy on it. So it’s one of those little customize things. The angel says, God bless.

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Kathy Gruver: She was a very spiritual person she studied at Santa Monica University.

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Kathy Gruver: She did a lot of like transformational psychology and things like that. She was a very special client. She was probably one of my first clients. She moved away, we still keep in touch. But she gave this to me and said this is the this is

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Kathy Gruver: This represents the angel that’s always looking over you.

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Kathy Gruver: I don’t, you know, we all have different spiritual beliefs religious beliefs. I’m not religious at all, but I am spiritual

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Kathy Gruver: But I have this hung on my I have like a push pin board thing and this hangs on one of the push pins and it’s just, again, it’s a it’s it’s always above me.

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Kathy Gruver: Because it’s higher than I am. So it is just a sort of representation of, you know, we do have protection. We do have, I believe we’re being we’re being looked out for and we are loved by the we’re children of the universe, and we have that abundance and we have that

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Kathy Gruver: Deserving of prosperity abundance, love, joy, happiness, all those things. So this angel hovers above me and just reminds me that I’m divine

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Jason Mefford: You are divine. Are you oh

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Jason Mefford: Very cool.

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Jason Mefford: Very cool.

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Jason Mefford: Okay, so, so my next one is

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Jason Mefford: It’s this little guy.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh,

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Jason Mefford: It’s a little turtle.

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Jason Mefford: Okay, now

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Jason Mefford: This is a, this is a different turtle and it’s one that

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Jason Mefford: Was an experience that I had that that reminded me are now the turtle represents something different to me. So, this this turtle. Actually, I got, I don’t know, a long time ago. I think it was in

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Jason Mefford: In China Town.

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Kathy Gruver: And it looks like

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Kathy Gruver: Stone kind. Oh, yeah.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, so it’s it’s a little. It’s a little turtle and he’s standing on money.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, so and so there’s actually some, you know, kind of from the, the Chinese tradition. There’s some meaning behind that, but

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Jason Mefford: But the reason that I got boxes worth of little trinket stuff. And so I’ll have to go through that as we keep doing more and more

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Jason Mefford: But I pulled it out and put it on my desk for a reason, it was, it was because of an experience that I had about a year ago, I guess, actually.

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Jason Mefford: So I, I signed up. I became part of a new mastermind group. Okay. And I, and I went to the first, you know, first in person meeting that we had

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Jason Mefford: And of course, again, I’m an introvert, right, you’re talking about those people at your party, you know, kind of standing around like

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Jason Mefford: Somebody talked to me. No, nobody talked to me, please, kind of thing. I was I was probably kind of doing that at the beginning because at first, until I get to know people sometimes I’m a little apprehensive.

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Jason Mefford: And and i remember the leader, the leader of the group. He told me as we as we were talking, I was doing my hot seat.

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Jason Mefford: Because this the the the second day, I showed up a little differently. And again, this goes back to kind of the ego states right

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Jason Mefford: And and he told me you know during, during the couple of days that we were there, he said, you know, the first day that you showed up.

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Jason Mefford: I saw you like this little turtle with your head stuck in the shell and you didn’t want to pick your head out.

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Jason Mefford: Right, because you know I’m not exactly sure why, but for some reason you were trying to protect yourself and you didn’t want to stick your little neck out

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Jason Mefford: And and that just kind of hit me. And so I you know I I brought the turtle out of the box and put it back on my desk to remind me to be the turtle with the neck out

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Jason Mefford: And so to to take those risks to take those chances to be myself to show myself to the world instead of trying to hide away in my little shell. Yeah. So, you know, again, it’s one that

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Jason Mefford: Like I said, I’m pretty. It was either Chinatown in San Francisco or in New York, but it was one of those two places that I got it. So it kind of reminds me of that trip.

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Jason Mefford: But, but more so now to this has taken on a different meaning for me because of that experience. And again, it’s the reminder for me to be in the right ego state stick my neck out

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Jason Mefford: Instead of being a little turtle. I’ve been a show.

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Kathy Gruver: Exactly. Oh, I love that. I love that. Well, it’s also, it’s not only the turtle sticking your neck out there are some myths that believe that the world was formed on the back of a turtle.

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Kathy Gruver: I don’t remember what mythology system that is there’s also certain. And the reason it’s sitting on money is there’s certain belief systems in

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Kathy Gruver: Chinese spirituality, that the turtle represents prosperity. There’s also the whole tortoise and the hare thing.

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Kathy Gruver: Where it’s about that slow and steady thing, which is where I thought you were going with that. I forgot about you go inside your shell thing because I tend to speed through stuff.

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Kathy Gruver: You tend to go into your shell. So it’s like one of those representations, where they can have different meanings to different people. Yep, we’re running out of time. Again, all right, one of your last one, and then we’ll

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Jason Mefford: So my last one is this this little contraption here which looks a little bit weird, you know, for everybody that’s watching

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, it’s so, so what this is is it’s actually, it’s a it’s a grip exerciser but it’s designed instead of like a tension ball, you know, where you just squeeze this got individual

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Jason Mefford: Things that you can push with your

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Jason Mefford: Fingers. And so, you know, last time I think we talked about the fidget spinner.

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Jason Mefford: This is a similar kind of thing as the fidget spinner. So again, if I’m, if I need to, kind of, you know, cross hemisphere myself. I can pick this up and start playing with it a little bit, but I do with my left hand because this, this device is actually built for people who play the guitar.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah.

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Jason Mefford: So that we can actually strengthen our fingers to be able to make it easier when playing the guitar. So I’m actually, you know, exercising my fingers in my hand as well. So this is kind of a multi purpose.

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Jason Mefford: Thing as well, and probably something that most of you don’t have sitting on your desk.

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Kathy Gruver: Right, that’s really funny. Okay. Cool. Okay, so

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Kathy Gruver: I’m torn. Okay, so I have

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Kathy Gruver: Multiple cards.

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Kathy Gruver: Now, why do I have multiple cards, including one from Penn and Teller

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Kathy Gruver: I’m a huge fan of magic. I’m at the magic castle all the time. I am frequently called on to Hey lady. Pick a card.

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Kathy Gruver: And so it got to the point where I was getting so many cards that I had signed and picking the course I was here as a souvenir for you and I’m thinking if you knew how many sided cards I had it on

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Kathy Gruver: And when I started going to the castle. I kind of wish I would have kept them all because, by this point, I’d probably have 100 I’ve been going there for so long.

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Kathy Gruver: But I have them taped to my desk. And the reason I do, is it as a reminder to me of not only that thing that I love.

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Kathy Gruver: But it’s also about magic and transformation. It’s a reminder to me that we can transmute whatever we want into something different. There is this magic. There’s this mystery.

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Kathy Gruver: And it reminds me to go about things with newness with fresh eyes with that innocence of a child. It’s one of the reasons I love magic is

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Kathy Gruver: You know, the older we get, the less we see the magic in the world, the less we’re in all of things and one of my favorite things. The castle, because I know I’ve seen most of the tricks. I tell you, almost the tricks are done is to see other people watch that trick and go

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Kathy Gruver: No way or Holy shit, you know, it’s like I love watching adults have that experience that I get every time over the castle. So that’s why I have all these cards that are signed because

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Kathy Gruver: It reminds me, one of my one of my most favorite places in the world, but also reminds me that the magic is afoot, and that things are still mysterious and we can find the all in everyday things

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Jason Mefford: Well, that’s why we keep talking about magic to write on the on the show and different points because it

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Jason Mefford: Is there’s

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Jason Mefford: There’s that all and wonder that that really, we should all be cultivating and trying to have

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Jason Mefford: In our life every day. I mean, there’s amazing, wonderful things happening all around us all the time.

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Jason Mefford: A lot of things we can’t explain because you know we don’t understand how the tricks are done, just like we don’t understand, you know, the in magic sometimes how the tricks are done it. But, but, but even when you know how they’re done. It’s still amazing to watch the craft.

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Jason Mefford: Of the magician performing it

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Kathy Gruver: won so many people. So you see all the tricks. What do you keep going on isn’t a boring and it’s like one

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Kathy Gruver: It’s you get to the point of I know how the trick is done, but I don’t see them doing it, which is a testament to their skill and the pattern is always different. Each person has a different character a different way of getting into that trick.

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Kathy Gruver: It’s also a reminder of keeping things new and I mean we could do an entire show on magic, which

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Jason Mefford: We did, and I’m sure we will again.

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Kathy Gruver: Cool. Anyway, hey we blown through our time. As always, um, any final thoughts before we let everyone go to look at the things on their desk.

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Jason Mefford: No, I think that’s probably it for today. Because I’m sure we’ll be doing the skin.

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Kathy Gruver: I’m sure we’ll be doing their skin. Excellent. I’m Kathy Gruber. I can be reached at Kathy Griffin calm.

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm go out, have a great week and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast. See ya.

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