In this episode we share a few items we keep around our offices and the meaning behind each one. Not only do you learn a little more about each of us, but each item we discuss ultimately leads to some discussing some tips and wisdom on simple things you can do to unlock your potential.

Learn what a blank check, facial tissue, flosser, and Rodin’s thinker statue have to do with unlocking your potential, and learn a little more about each of us too. There might even be a cameo appearance by the King himself, Elvis Presley 🙂

The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.

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Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the fire on Earth podcast, I’m your co host Kathy Gruber.

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason Medford, and since we’re loving these episodes so much. So this is another what’s on your desk.

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Jason Mefford: I know it’s like they kind of start off random but we end up talking about something cool. So again, you know, hang out with this. This is kind of the craziness part of it, but you’re going to learn something from the episode to

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Kathy Gruver: Like, all right, I’ll start. So, um, this is a collection of things and you might be like what okay Kleenex

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Kathy Gruver: flosser lip stuff asthma inhaler. No, you shouldn’t live in my office right except for the fact that I found I would be sitting here on

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Kathy Gruver: My computer doing work, and oh my nose would be running and have to get up and go to the bathroom, come back to the Kleenex, I feel like lip stuff and I have to go find my person and I can’t breathe. I have like so many of my tooth.

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Kathy Gruver: So what I realized is from my productivity.

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Kathy Gruver: Surround yourself with those practical things that you need to get through the day, even if they’re not office supplies are not work related

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Kathy Gruver: There are these personal items that you are going to need through the day, and to go find them, especially because I have a home office, like so many of us do.

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Kathy Gruver: What is that doing to my productivity is that pulling me out of what I’m doing right now and forced me to go find

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Kathy Gruver: A lawyer, find the lip stuff because then what happens is I go, I’ll just do a couple dishes and suddenly 25 minutes has gone by, I forgotten what I’m doing in my office.

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Kathy Gruver: So I keep these practical things around me that I know I’m going to need and that way I don’t have to break. What I’m doing here in my office. So they’re practical hundred Capricorn, but that’s that’s what I got for the first one.

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Jason Mefford: Well, but it’s it’s a great productivity hack for people, right, because

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Jason Mefford: When, when you start to get in the zone and you’re working on a particular thing to get up have to walk, you know, across the House to go and get something is going to take you out of that rhythm.

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Jason Mefford: So it’s funny that you bring that up. This isn’t my thing, necessarily, but on my desk. I have this Orange Bowl. And guess what’s in it. Some lips kind of stuff.

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Jason Mefford: You know, nail files, you know, a little, a little knife, you know, stuff like that, too. So I actually doing the same stuff didn’t even think about that. But there’s see again people. Here’s a great

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Jason Mefford: Productivity hack for you is in one of the things that I’d heard is if it takes you especially if you’re trying to

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Jason Mefford: Create habits or build habits to if if it takes you more than two or three seconds to do something, you’re probably not gonna do it and and

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Jason Mefford: You know, or you end up getting up and kind of breaking your routine. So that’s, you know, again, having stuff like that that you know you’re going to use near you is a fabulous productivity hack.

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Kathy Gruver: Yes. Now, on the flip side of that, just to be contrary to what I just said, please do get up and move every once in a while.

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Jason Mefford: Yes, yes, yes.

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Kathy Gruver: Don’t stay so stropped your desk that hours go by and you haven’t moved because I can do that too, especially I’ve been really pushing the speaking thing and

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Kathy Gruver: You know, doing speaking proposals searching for speaking gigs and I can easily sit her for three or four hours and not move.

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Kathy Gruver: So do make sure you get up, you don’t want to change yourself to the desk. You do have to get up and p and, you know, do all that stuff. Please get up to pee. Don’t do that in your office.

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Jason Mefford: Know bucket in the corner.

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Kathy Gruver: Inventor that did that all you

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Kathy Gruver: Know feedback in the milk bottles. Who was that anyway. That sounds weird but surround yourself.

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Kathy Gruver: They’re going to make your life more productive and easier, but also do make sure you take a break, decent trade. Get up, walk around the room, go do other things. So just to throw that in not to be too strict about the whole don’t get up.

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Jason Mefford: Alright, so, so here’s, here’s my next one I got to get into costume for this here. So just, just, just a minute. For those of you that are watching the video, you’re going to get this. For those of you that are listening audio wise, you’re probably not going to get it. But here we go.

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Jason Mefford: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh my

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Jason Mefford: I have my Elvis glasses full with, you know, the all the sideburns on him.

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Jason Mefford: Falling in love with you. I don’t know. Right. So anyway, I’ve got these Elvis. They’re very goofy Elvis classes. Right.

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Jason Mefford: It reminds me of a couple things. So one of the companies where I was an executive, we used to Halloween was a big thing for us and we would

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Jason Mefford: Forgot we’d have monthly employee meetings at the headquarters as well. And so I I kind of became almost like the corporate clown, if you will, where I would actually dress up and and do some really kind of dorky things

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Jason Mefford: So I use that. Yeah, I know me. Right. But yeah, so I have. I had a fall on Elvis costume with my glasses and everything will

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Jason Mefford: Go up, but it’s a, you know, so it’s it’s kind of a reminder to me of some of that kind of stuff. But, you know, again, tying it back in. On a more serious note, right, I mean we’ve

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Jason Mefford: When, when you look at somebody like that, who’s an Elvis impersonator there’s lots of Elvis impersonators right

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Jason Mefford: But when they get into the role, baby. They’re in the role right and so they they show up and they act just like you know their, their version of Elvis would

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Jason Mefford: We’ve talked about ego, States trying to get into the right ego stage showing up the way that we need to

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Jason Mefford: Sometimes that means, you know, putting on costume or just like an actor would prepare for the role.

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Jason Mefford: Of doing that too. So this also has a meaning for me have to remember to kind of show up and that ego state that need to be able to do whatever it is that I’m I’m doing at the time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much for listening.

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Kathy Gruver: Everybody, don’t worry.

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, don’t worry about it, put it back in the closet. But imagine

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Kathy Gruver: That. And that’s actually great. I’m just, you know, I all about dressing up by a room full of full of costumes, but it reminds us to play.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and I think that’s the other thing is, you know, we’ve held up our little Yoda is in our Miyagi is and you’re all this stuff in it. All of that stuff actually to reminds us to play.

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Kathy Gruver: And I think that’s so missing as adults. And frankly, I kind of missed out on a lot of plays a kid because I was an only child. I was so serious. And I was so into accomplishing things and my to do list, even when I was a little kid.

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Kathy Gruver: That I feel like I missed a lot of that frivolous play that meaningless play wasn’t play for purpose, except for just to play.

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Kathy Gruver: And so to throw in those glasses and play for a couple seconds. That’s a great way to to get out of that seriousness to get out of that to shift states to give yourself a break in order to

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Kathy Gruver: To be more productive. So I think we take breaks and we get silly, a little bit if that’s okay. It’s fabulous.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and it’s actually on a deeper, you know, level, even though I’m kind of a goofy guy.

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Jason Mefford: For me as an executive in a corporate environment, right, you’re usually seen as like this very serious and approachable person as well.

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Jason Mefford: And by me actually kind of showing and, you know, doing a little bit of play and and and you know kind of the self deprecating humor and some other stuff. It allowed me to

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Jason Mefford: Develop a different relationship with the employees in the company.

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Jason Mefford: And and there was some backlash, because some of the other executives didn’t like that I was had those relationships and they didn’t, you know, but it’s like

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Jason Mefford: But I showed up and actually played that way and it developed into actually real connections with people.

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Jason Mefford: So to, you know, if you’re if you’re, you know, business owner, if you’re if you manage people don’t just be that stuffy person who never shows up to play actually let a little bit of your personality out and and and try to connect with people better

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Jason Mefford: Because it makes a huge difference in in the culture in your organization and in your effectiveness with the team that you’re with. So

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Kathy Gruver: Absolutely. Let your soft underbelly can matter.

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Kathy Gruver: So I don’t know. Alright, so, oh so many choices so much cannot her. Um, so I have not ever pulled this off my, this has been up for ages. So this is a blank check

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Jason Mefford: Hmm.

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Kathy Gruver: And I have written to myself.

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Kathy Gruver: To the tune of $5 million and in the memo line. It says, prosperity and grace I wrote this in

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Kathy Gruver: April of 2010 it was now.

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Kathy Gruver: And this has been pinned up on my bulletin board and I see it every day because it’s right. It’s a little bit above eye level, but it’s right by like some account numbers and things like that right to my

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Kathy Gruver: Left. I’ve got a little pegboard kind of thing. And to me, it’s a reminder of that prosperity and abundance and that the universe is

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Kathy Gruver: Generous and we all deserve to have those things we need to have those things we want. So to me it’s just that little paper reminder, because we all know what a check does we’ve all checked. We’ve all received checks, we know, we know what that symbolism is

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Kathy Gruver: Numbers are incredibly potent symbols. They go straight into our subconscious. So every time I look at that and I see those words prosperity and grace. I know that these things are floating to me from the universe. So I’ve had that pinned up there for 20 years or 10 years

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Jason Mefford: Well, and it’s easy to yeah yeah cuz you said it was 2010 right so it’s been 10 years

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Jason Mefford: In the in here. You know, I think it’s, um,

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Jason Mefford: It’s a great thing to. I mean, it’s up on a peg board is kind of like, you know, some of you probably heard about vision boards. Right. And a lot of people talk about vision boards. Well, I have one sitting over here to, you know, that you can’t see, off, off to my right.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s, it’s a, a physical representation of some of those things that we’re trying to, you know, visualize and actually have come into our lives. And I love the idea of the check. I actually have a check, sitting up on mine too.

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Jason Mefford: It was one of those you know anybody that listens to jack Canfield there’s a, you know, great story that jack tells about writing himself $100,000 check and sure enough he didn’t. He didn’t get $100,000 it was 90 some thousand dollars. And he’s like, that’s probably close enough.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s it’s it’s it’s it’s one of those. Again, it’s, it’s

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Jason Mefford: To help us in visualizing some of these things and the reminder like for you have abundance having little things like that in your life that remind you

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Jason Mefford: Even even on a subconscious level. You may not sit and stare at it at your vision board every day for 10 minutes but you’re seeing it out of the corner of your eye.

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Jason Mefford: And your subconscious is picking it up. Whether you realize it or not. So that’s, again, you know,

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Jason Mefford: I think on a on a on a way deeper level for everybody. This is one of the reasons why we’re doing silly episodes like this as well, right, is to help you realize to put things in your life to remind you, or to encourage you to get where you want to be. Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: Absolutely. Well, and I, I believe that everything that we’re surrounded by influences us. This is one of the reasons and way back, if you remember when we talked about

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Kathy Gruver: To talk to Sarah Caputo and she was talking about organizational psychology and how to set up your space and you know if

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Kathy Gruver: And I actually just recently did this. I went to the store and I got a new kind of calendar thing and I got little Stacie trays.

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Kathy Gruver: Because I’m a pile person. I don’t do file. How do piles, which is fine if they’re organized in such a way so now rather than having piles spread. I’ve got piles stacked

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Kathy Gruver: And I have found it to be so useful to me and I am being so much more productive. So I put those systems in place. So getting rid of the clutter as much as a joke, but having a cluttered desk. To me it’s perfectly ordered

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Kathy Gruver: It works for me to have these things around me. So it’s about setting up your space and putting things in your space that help you move forward, not just a bunch of crap filed around

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Yep, yep.

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Jason Mefford: Alright, so my next one.

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Jason Mefford: Is this little statue. And again, for those of you that are listening audio wise. This is the sculpture. The Thinker that Rodin did

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Jason Mefford: French sculptor and I’ve actually seen. I can’t remember. I believe I bought this one in San Francisco.

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Jason Mefford: There’s several of the thinker statues and different art museums and places around the world. I’ve seen it. I don’t know, three or at least three or four times in person and just got that and and in the reason again is

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Jason Mefford: You know, like, like a silly, silly story right when my kids were little. They listened to Arthur so you know it’s a little cartoon oh cartoon character. Okay.

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Kathy Gruver: Movie with

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Jason Mefford: Oh yeah, no, no, this, this, so the

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Jason Mefford: The cartoon Arthur and in there. There’s a lot of, you know, singing and some other stuff. Anyway, Arthur was, you know, was kind of a smarty smart kind of kid, but there was this one kid in the in it with that they called the brain.

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Jason Mefford: And he was like, you know, the, the Uber smart kid, probably a little bit nerdy my probably can relate to him for a lot of reasons.

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Jason Mefford: But I remember in one of the episodes, you know, they see, he’s like, I have the great brain. Well now engage in my favorite activity thinking

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Jason Mefford: I’m, I’m, you know, it goes through like that. I don’t know. For 20 seconds or something like that. And then at the end. He’s like, Oh, that was very satisfying. Right.

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Jason Mefford: Which is, you know, again, it’s just goofy.

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Jason Mefford: But at the same point. I’ve always been a thinker, you know, if you look at my, you know, my, my Myers Briggs. I’m a TI. I’m a thinker. I’ve always been a thinker. I’m a thought leader, most of what I do.

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Jason Mefford: Is is the result of my thinking, creating new models, creating new content, you know, and doing things like that to where

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Jason Mefford: A lot really a lot of what I what I’ve done, even in my corporate career was required a lot of thought.

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Jason Mefford: And I remember there was an you know another executive whose office was down the hall from mine. And so he always had to walk by my office to go get coffee or go to the toilet or whatever.

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Jason Mefford: And and I remember him walking by one time. And I’m just sitting there and my desk and he stops and he goes, Jason. Do you get any work done every time I come by here. It looks like you’re just sitting there and thinking

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Jason Mefford: And like Bob, you don’t know how much of my job is just thinking like right and and even now you know in in my businesses, a lot of what I do is thinking. And so it’s

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Jason Mefford: You know, again, kind of the reminder to me of, even though it may not seem like quote unquote work to people, most of the work I actually do is in my mind. And in thinking and the things that I create from my mind. So it’s just a another reminder for me for that.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah. And that actually what that reminds me of what that sparks in me is the fact that we all do things differently.

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Kathy Gruver: And that some people ponder things and then you know after however much time. That is a this finished thing. Whereas, I’m like, let’s do it now. And, you know, all have an idea for a business and 10 minutes later I’ll have a website and

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Kathy Gruver: It just, it all comes to me and I just move on it, and my ex husband was like you. He was he’s a writer. He’s a brilliant writer, he’s actually going to be on the show. At some point, talking about travel and

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Kathy Gruver: Self evolution, that sort of thing. But he would do that he would mention this thing to me and like month would go by and I’m thinking, are you doing anything with that same

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Kathy Gruver: Thing, and it would percolate and it wouldn’t run into me, my very driven Capricorn do itself was like you’re fucking around like are you getting anything done.

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Kathy Gruver: And then like after months that just this full beautiful thing would be there, like he was hiding the flower somewhere and then you pull it out when we like being there was just a whole flower. Yeah, so it was

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Kathy Gruver: It you show me the finger reminds me that we all have different processes and we have to be patient. Only with our own, but others. And I have a fun fact about that statue.

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Jason Mefford: Oh, do

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Kathy Gruver: I do so when I went to Rome I toured the Vatican Museums now. I figured, what am I gonna get back to Rome, when am I going to get back to the Vatican Museum. So I paid for a private tour.

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Kathy Gruver: So it was me and three other women who also happen to be from California, who also happen to be traveling alone and the guide this guide was amazing. She won top guides and how many hundreds of guys are there like three years in a row.

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Jason Mefford: Wow.

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Kathy Gruver: We’re walking through the museum and walking and we got to see things that nobody. She was unlocking doors that nobody else gets to go into. And when we’re in the Sistine Chapel. We were the only ones in there.

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Jason Mefford: Nobody else it’s it’s hard to get in there. I didn’t, I didn’t get in because the waiting line was too long. When

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Jason Mefford: We went

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Kathy Gruver: In after hours. We’re sitting at laying on the floor, looking at the ceiling. She’s talking, we’re doing the video. We’re doing all this stuff you don’t normally get to do. But anyway, we walk past this one statue and I stopped.

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Kathy Gruver: I kind of looked at it and she goes, Kathy. What do you thinking. And I said, I’m thinking that looks like a knockoff of the finger like it’s the same shape. It’s the same this and she goes,

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Kathy Gruver: That used to be when you were studying sculpture. They had these certain forms that you would start with that as a student, then you made something from that base form thinker is one of those

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Jason Mefford: So really the way to

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Jason Mefford: Teach, teach the artists.

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Kathy Gruver: They’d hand them this already somewhat set shape and then you could create whatever you want it from it.

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Kathy Gruver: As a template, basically. And they had another one of these statues that came from the same template as the thinker and she’s like really cool that you notice that nice look I understand patterns patterns. I get. And as soon as I looked at that I went

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Kathy Gruver: That looks like the thinker and I was totally right. It was really cool. So there, however many statues out there that came from basically the same starting point the same template as the thing

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Jason Mefford: The same the same inspiration, right, if you, if you will. And then each artist kind of took that so well and I like what you said to because each one of us is different. I mean, you’re much more of a just jump in and start going

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Jason Mefford: Where, where I’m more of the thinker, but you know as an entrepreneur. I have to learn more, to have

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Jason Mefford: How to balance that more because either one of either one of the extremes isn’t going to necessarily serve you, but I know that that’s my primary disposition, but I still have to get up off my button do something right

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Jason Mefford: Right, I can’t just sit there forever, la, la, la, you know, kind of stuff. I actually have to do something about it, too.

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Jason Mefford: But you know there. There’s a lot of power that can go in from some of the brain or which again is why I geek out on all this stuff because

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Jason Mefford: My main muscle. And I know it’s not a muscle is my brain, right, so I’ve got to do what I can to work my brain. But I’ve also got to temper that with the

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Jason Mefford: action that you take as well and then stop kind of pause reflect on what what happened. Okay, now take the next action and keep kind of moving forward as well. I think that

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Kathy Gruver: I think that’s why we’re such a good Paris. You know when you and I started time. We’re like, let’s do a retreat. And we were like we had planned out and then we kind of stopped and went, Wait.

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Kathy Gruver: Isn’t that sort of the end result. Like, why are we so

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Jason Mefford: We

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Kathy Gruver: Had this like getting into this whole, you know. And then same thing with the podcast. I was like, How’s your podcast and I was ready to like let’s record now and we’re like, wait, wait, wait.

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, title, we don’t have it, you know. So the two of us work that that yin and yang. So nice together of the thinker and the viewer and the, you know,

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Jason Mefford: Well, and it works out. But it’s even because as we were talking here. I remembered somebody who I’d met. I don’t even remember it was in some social setting that I can’t remember, but they were a ride her

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Jason Mefford: As well and and i remember they were they, I think just gotten out of a relationship.

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Jason Mefford: And and i remember the person saying, you know, if I get into another relationship.

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Jason Mefford: It has to be with an artist kind of person because you know like you were talking about with your ex husband that you know a lot of the creative process for a writer.

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Jason Mefford: Is thinking and it doesn’t seem like work to people who especially work with their hands or a physical more physical in the work that they’re doing.

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Jason Mefford: And, you know, kind of brought up that that was one of the problems in their relationship. And so they recognized and knew that they needed somebody who could understand that when they’re

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Jason Mefford: When they’re sitting around reading something or doing something else. They were actually doing work to prepare for whatever they’re writing

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Jason Mefford: You know, as well, but that that we have to again kind of figure that out but work what the right compromise or the the right compromise is not the right word, the right

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Jason Mefford: Combination collaboration kind of thing with, you know, the different people, especially in a team.

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Jason Mefford: Trying to make sure that your team is complementing each other and you have these various skills or different ways of doing it together. Because when you do, you can be a much stronger team. And if everybody’s exactly the same way.

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Kathy Gruver: Absolutely. And that’s why, and we have not yet had someone on to talk about diversity and inclusion. I actually have a really great guy for that we should have on but that’s one of the things he was saying is when you have different cultures. When you have different

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Kathy Gruver: Sexes when you have different races. When you have different you know all of that lens different perspectives and a balance to a team to an organization that if you have just a bunch of old white guys, you’re going to get a bunch of old white guy decisions.

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Kathy Gruver: Using that as the best example but you know it’s it’s even looking at our government, looking at the Senate and looking at the

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Kathy Gruver: Supreme Court, you know, there isn’t diversity enough to represent this culture yet. Hopefully we’re moving in that direction. Um, but it’s the same thing. It’s like we want to have those different types of of acting people actor actors not actors like performers, but you know thinkers doers.

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Kathy Gruver: All the Myers Briggs stuff there has to be a good combination on that. So I love these episodes.

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Jason Mefford: Alright, so it’s a couple things from both of us and a little you know postulating on the importance of them and how to

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Jason Mefford: You know, but again, like we said before, it’s the one of the reasons why we’re doing this is, you know, try to surround yourself with things that inspire you, that remind you of certain things.

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Jason Mefford: That help you to go and become be that person that you want to be and and unlock that potential that’s within all of us.

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Jason Mefford: So plus you get to learn weird things

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Jason Mefford: About us

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Kathy Gruver: Weird Things

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Kathy Gruver: weird enough

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Jason Mefford: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

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Kathy Gruver: Well, this was fabulous. I’m I’m Kathy Gruber. I can be reached at Kathy Griffin calm.

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so go out. Have a great rest of your week and we will catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast. So, yeah.

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