Even though it may be hard to admit, no matter who you are, you need help from others to be successful. In this episode Kathy and Jason discuss how to find others to collaborate and partner with that support and bring out the best in you. When you get the right people in the room, magic happens. Transformations happen. You will also learn “the rest of the story” on how Kathy and Jason met and why it’s called The Fire & Earth Podcast.

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