In this #jammingwithjason #internalauditpodcast episode I dig into improving your learning so you can unlock your limitless potential. It’s a bit of a potpourri episode, one where we literally talk about potpourri, but a few other topics besides learning 🙂
You don’t just need training, you need to LEARN … and they are two different things. You can take a training and not learn anything, and you can learn without going to training. To learn you need a combination of knowledge, skills, abilities, and experience. Training only helps you with the first two.
One of the best ways to improve your abilities and get experience is through community with others. Without this aspect of learning you really don’t integrate and “learn” the information fully.
Come join me in some communities where I hang out so we can interact directly. Podcasts, while they are fabulous are a one-way communication. When we connect in community the conversation can go both ways.
For a community of like minded internal auditors on a full learning platform check out the cRisk Academy Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/criskacademy/
For a community of like minded Chief Audit Executives, check out the CAE Forum: https://jasonmefford.mykajabi.com/caeforum
For a community of like minded CIA candidates, check out the CIA Discussion Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13732881/
Here’s the book I reference in this episode, that is a must-read for anyone who is serious about life-long learning.
“Limitless: Upgrade Your Brain, Learn Anything Faster, and Unlock Your Exceptional Life” by Jim Kwik: https://www.amazon.com/Limitless-Upgrade-Anything-Faster-Exceptional-ebook/dp/B082ZQDH63/
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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of jamming with Jason. Hey, my friends. It’s good to be back with you again this week.
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Jason Mefford: Hey, you know, for the last month or so I’ve just felt like I wanted to kind of talk to everybody individually. So I’ve been doing a lot of individual podcast. We’re going to get back
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Jason Mefford: To a lot of the interviews and other stuff coming up shortly, but just with a lot of the things that are going on in the world. I just felt like I wanted to kind of
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Jason Mefford: Talk to all of you about some specific things. So for those of you that really enjoyed the interview segments. Those are going to be back very soon.
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Jason Mefford: So, just hold on to it. In fact, next week you’ll actually have another one of those. And it’s a very special episode so be looking for that. This next week.
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Jason Mefford: Now that the title of this week is limitless learning. And the reason for that is, I’ve actually been reading a book called limitless. And I’m going to get in and talk more about that here as we get into the episode.
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Jason Mefford: A little bit further, because there’s some information that I’ve been learning
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Jason Mefford: You know, in this limitless learning book that I wanted to share with each of you about how to learn and we’re going to get into that a little bit more like I said here in the episode.
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Jason Mefford: Because one of the things that I have found probably one of the biggest keys to my success in my life and in my career has been the fact that I am a lifelong learner.
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Jason Mefford: I don’t just get trained, but I actually learn and I’m going to share with you here in this episode. What that means a little bit more about some of that.
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Jason Mefford: Share a little bit like I said from the book and then I’m going to dig in deeper in future episodes and other things to to share with you more about that now.
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Jason Mefford: Excuse me this week is a little bit of a potpourri exercise or episode okay Popery, and so if you don’t know how to spell it. It’s kind of a funny sounding word
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Jason Mefford: Emits P. O. T. P o u r R i. Now, trust me on this. We’re talking, we’re going to talk about popery
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Jason Mefford: For a little bit. And there’s a reason for that because it ties into our limitless learning discussion that we’re going to be talking about. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: Now popery actually means a mixture of things and I’m going to get into that here a little bit more and kind of share a story with you and kind of why I’m talking about that today.
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Jason Mefford: But for the again, those of you that are auditors’ what you may have noticed as well is now there is a little ease symbol next to the podcast and next to each of the episodes and
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Jason Mefford: Here’s the reason for that. I’m actually a pretty colorful guy, and I’m colorful in a lot of ways. In fact, sometimes I use some strong or adult language. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: Now, I’ve been holding myself back on the podcast not maybe being fully me because sometimes I use those words. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: And and I decided that I would go ahead and mark the podcast as explicit. Okay. Because again, as I get excited as I get talking, I might say some words like shit or Fox or don’t be an asshole. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: And realize that everybody who’s listening to this podcast should be an adult should be, you know, familiar with okay with it.
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Jason Mefford: don’t mean to offend anybody by that but like I said I wanted to make sure and put that on the podcast going forward in case I say any of those words that you won’t be offended.
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Jason Mefford: That you’ll realize that that’s what it is. And again, it’s, it’s more for me, just so that I can be more authentic with you.
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Jason Mefford: And I don’t feel like I have to hold back on the podcast and think about, you know, which words, can I use and which words, can’t I use okay so
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Jason Mefford: So let’s get back to talking about popery now popery again like I said it’s a funny word. I like it because I like the alliteration of it.
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Jason Mefford: But let me, let me tell you a little story. When I most people don’t actually use popery now but like I said that the the definition of it is it is a mixture of things.
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Jason Mefford: Now, when I was growing up, you know we we had some of the air fresheners and things like that. But my mother did not actually use that most of the time.
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Jason Mefford: Instead, she would actually make her own popery so usually a popery is, you know, different you know flower petals maybe spices. Other things like that.
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Jason Mefford: And what she used to do was put it all together in a pot and and she would simmer that pot on the stove.
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Jason Mefford: And so, you know, as it would go through and simmer all of the essences of that popery would come out. So depending on what she put into it. Sometimes it smelled like cinnamon. Sometimes it would smell like flowers, depending on what she actually put into it.
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Jason Mefford: And so again, it was kind of a reminder in a shout out to my mother, who passed away many years ago about Popery, and for me actually just kind of remembering
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Jason Mefford: Some of those times. And those smells that used to be in our house now. Now why am I talking about this because, again, as I told you, this is going to tie into our discussion today.
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Jason Mefford: About limitless learning. So remember popery we’re going to come back to it popery P. O. T. P o u r r i is how you spell popery okay now.
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Jason Mefford: As I told you earlier, you know, one of the things that I think has been a key to my success is the Lifelong Learning attitude that I have. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: And and so I am always learning every single day. I am learning. Now I read, usually at least one to two different books each week.
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Jason Mefford: In this last week I was reading this book called limitless. Now it just came out about a week ago. And so it’s actually the title of it is limitless.
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Jason Mefford: Upgrade your brain learn anything faster and unlock your exceptional life.
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Jason Mefford: In it’s written by Jim quick and Jim is fabulous. He is probably one of the leading experts on learning on speed reading. I mean, this is a guy.
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Jason Mefford: Who coaches top level actors, so you know when you go to the big movies and you see all these big, you know, fancy movie stars. He’s one of the people that helps them learn
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Jason Mefford: Their lines and gain their confidence for being able to actually make the movies. Okay, so the guy knows what he’s talking about and has a very
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Jason Mefford: Interesting experience actually in his own life of how he has learned. And so again, as I’m reading that book. I want to share more of what’s in that book.
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Jason Mefford: As well as some of the things that I’ve done over time with learning because, again, as someone who teaches other people. I mean, I own two different training companies.
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Jason Mefford: One of the reasons why is, as I told you before, I love to learn and I love to help people learn. Okay. And so we’re going to talk a little bit about that today because I want to, I want to get into some of the how that you do that.
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Jason Mefford: Now in Jim’s book. One of the things that he has is a model, which I think is fabulous. And he does some very interesting things in the book.
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Jason Mefford: And as I think I said that there’s going to be. There’s a link down in the show notes for you to go be able to look up and get that book.
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Jason Mefford: Because I think again for anybody who’s serious about learning. This is a book that you must read. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: Now in the book he talks about one of the models that he has in the book is he breaks things down into these models or kind of little Chungking that we’re going to talk about here in just a minute.
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Jason Mefford: And one of the great models. That’s in his book.
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Jason Mefford: He has three concentric circles. So it makes a Venn diagram by a Venn diagram. Okay. And there’s three aspects to kind of this limiting limitless learning that he’s talking about here.
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Jason Mefford: And the three our mindset motivation and methods. Okay. So there’s three M’s three m, they could post it notes 3am to help you remember there’s three M’s and they are mindset.
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Jason Mefford: Motivation and methods. Okay, now what you might not have realized is what I just did for you right there is help you to learn and remember those three amps. Right.
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Jason Mefford: three M’s. How do you remember three M’s. Think of it or visualize a post it note 3am as a company that makes post it notes.
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Jason Mefford: There’s three M’s in this model mindset motivation and methods. Okay, so if you’re taking notes. You should have already been writing that down.
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Jason Mefford: And if that’s the case, you’ve already started to really learn this concept now.
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Jason Mefford: Mindset gets into what we need to be learning and kind of the mindset of getting us right and ready for learning. And like I said, I’m going to get into this later in future episodes or trainings that I do.
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Jason Mefford: Because this is an aspect of learning that is so very important for you if you are not in the right mindset when you were trying to learn
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Jason Mefford: It will be very difficult for you. And in fact, there’s some different things. You know that I teach in my multi sensory learning course.
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Jason Mefford: About ways to slow down your brain activity, get your brainwaves to the right frequency so that you can actually absorb the information better
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Jason Mefford: But again, it’s about the mindset and mindset is about kind of what you should be learning as well. Right. So what is going to be relevant to you to learn
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Jason Mefford: The motivation side of it is more about the why, if you’re not motivated to learn it. It’s not going to stick right you know if you hated going to school, you probably didn’t learn a lot because you weren’t motivated to be there. You weren’t motivated to learn. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: It doesn’t mean you’re stupid if you didn’t do well in school, but what you are motivated, for you will learn better. So let me give you an example. You know, one of my nephews.
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Jason Mefford: He was not a very good student. Okay. He did not score well in school because he wasn’t really motivated by what they were teaching him there.
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Jason Mefford: But I remember you know we were having some family gathering and we were all sitting around and we started talking about it, I believe we started talking about baseball and
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Jason Mefford: It was some sport is either baseball, or football that we started talking about and all of a sudden this kid who
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Jason Mefford: You know, again, didn’t get very good grades at school. But as we started talking all of a sudden his mouth open, and this trivia came out.
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Jason Mefford: He knew which teams had one, you know, which years you know World Series are super bowl. He knew different players from different teams.
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Jason Mefford: This kid was a wealth of knowledge. Now even though he didn’t do well at school, he had learned that information because he was motivated and interested
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Jason Mefford: In the sports aspect of it. OK. So again, that’s why motivation is so important when you’re learning. If you don’t understand why you’re learning it and if you’re not motivated to learn it.
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Jason Mefford: It’s always going to be difficult for you. Okay, so that’s mindset that’s motivation. Right.
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Jason Mefford: Now the last one is the methods. The methods are how you actually do it. These are some of the skills that you need to develop if you are going to learn
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Jason Mefford: Anything faster and unlock your exceptional life. Okay, so a few that he goes through in the book around visualization
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Jason Mefford: Now again, if you remember, I just kind of tricked you on this right as we were talking about the three M’s. I told you to visualize post it notes.
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Jason Mefford: And the reason for that is visualizing something like a post it note to help you remember 3am and three M stands for mindset motivation and methods.
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Jason Mefford: That is a method for you to be able to learn quicker. Okay, through visualization rote memory doesn’t work as well but but things like visualization do
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Jason Mefford: So there’s an example of that right now, you’ve also heard me repeat
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Jason Mefford: And so through repetition. I have said mindset motivation and methods several times. So again, by now you should know what are the three M’s. It’s mindset motivation and methods. Now let’s go back to the popery that I was talking about before. Right. So we said
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Jason Mefford: You know, usually kind of means a mixture of things. And a lot of times that mixture, at least in the in the older ways that it was used here in the US.
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Jason Mefford: Was it. It was a mixture of, you know, good smelling things that people would usually put together boil on their stove to be able to make their home smell nice. Okay, it’s a mixture of things.
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Jason Mefford: How do you remember popery it’s a funny. It’s a funny word to spell right but if you if you vision in your mind. So just close your eyes. If you can, or envision a pot pouring
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Jason Mefford: So a pot that is pouring his pot pourri. Okay. And actually, how you spell pot pourri popery pot P. O. T. Poor P. Oh, you are with an R. I. At the end of it.
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Jason Mefford: So having that visualization of a pot pouring is a way for you to remember not only what potpourri is but actually how to spell it as well.
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Jason Mefford: And that little act of visualization will help you learn it much more than trying to sit there and and memorize it in kind of a rote memorization standpoint.
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Jason Mefford: So again, that’s, that’s one of the methods is kind of in the book that he teaches. So again, as I said before, go out and get this book if you actually want to learn
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Jason Mefford: Another one that he that he did a lot through the book and he didn’t talk about it this way, but I call it Chungking so Chungking is a way of
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Jason Mefford: Kind of instilling or bringing things down into bite size kind of packets that we can actually absorb in our brain.
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Jason Mefford: And usually we can absorb between three to five things at a time. And so if you chunk things down into something between three and five. You’re going to be able to remember and learn it quicker.
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Jason Mefford: So again, I told you his model has how many different aspects to it three
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Jason Mefford: Ds. Suppose there’s a reason why it’s three because humans. Remember threes, it’s easier to remember three m and three m is mindset motivation and methods. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: Another example in the United States, our phone numbers are 10 digit numbers. Now if you try to memorize a 10 digit number, it’s difficult to do unless you chunk it down.
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Jason Mefford: And so again, usually in the US, our phone numbers are three digits dash three digits dash four numbers. Why you can remember a series of three.
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Jason Mefford: Of three and a four, you can remember those three series easier than you can. A full string of 10 digits. Okay, so that’s an example of chunky. So if you’re trying to learn, there’s a method to be able to help you do that more
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Jason Mefford: Now, another one that he talks about is speed reading and he actually has a whole course on this on how to actually learn to read faster.
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Jason Mefford: Because the faster you can read obviously the more information you can take in as well. And in fact, there’s been a lot of studies that have been done.
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Jason Mefford: That when you learn how to read faster, you actually comprehend and retain the information more than if you’re reading it slower as well.
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Jason Mefford: Okay, so that’s a couple of, you know, some of the things, at least, to begin with, from this book that I was so excited about that. I wanted to share with you.
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Jason Mefford: And there’s lots more in the book. So like I said, I would encourage you if you’re interested in this, go out and get his book. I’m not getting anything for this. I’m just giving you the link
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Jason Mefford: But I think the guy is fabulous. And I want you to learn. Okay, now it’s a little bit of a popery I told you so you know that’s a part, kind of on learning
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Jason Mefford: Now before I’ve talked to you also about knowledge, skills, abilities and experience. So if you think about case k s e that reminds you knowledge.
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Jason Mefford: Abilities skills and experience. Okay. Now, normally we talk about it from a learning standpoint of knowledge, skills, abilities and experience. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: Now training provides you with knowledge and skills, knowledge is information about the topic skills are things like these methods that I just talked about.
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Jason Mefford: But training by itself, just the knowledge, just the skills you’ve only got half of the learning equation.
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Jason Mefford: So if you really want to actually learn right you need training, but you also need to add the abilities and the experience with it as well.
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Jason Mefford: So how do you do that. Well, one of the best ways to do that is belonging to a community where you can actually share and learn from others. It’s a back and forth, kind of a conversation that happens afterwards.
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Jason Mefford: Now again, one of the tricks to learning is when you learn something. If you teach or explain that to someone else.
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Jason Mefford: That gets you further up the retention and the learning scale. Okay, so again, being involved in communities where you can have these discussions with other people, helps you to
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Jason Mefford: You know, gain those abilities and that experience by sharing it, and also as part of the abilities. It’s not only the practicing of those skills.
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Jason Mefford: Excuse me, developing those habits, but it’s also in some of the reflection, because a lot of times what happens in these communities is someone will say something and you stop and go, hmm.
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Jason Mefford: Well, I never really thought of it that way before and stopping and reflecting on some of the things that you learn
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Jason Mefford: Allow you to actually integrate that learning better and deeper into your brain. OK.
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Jason Mefford: So again, one of the tips from a learning standpoint is to join communities of like minded people so that you can discuss and talk about some of these things as well.
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Jason Mefford: You know, again, standard regular training. You go to a training or you do something online you learn the knowledge and skills image just tops there.
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Jason Mefford: That’s one of the reasons why serious Academy is a learning platform, not just a training company because they’re interested in actually having you learn and apply and get that experience as well.
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Jason Mefford: And one of the ways, like I said, that you can do that is through communities. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: Even this podcast. You know, those of you that are listening each week you are learning some things, but usually again podcast can only give you some of those knowledge or skills.
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Jason Mefford: It’s still up to you to be able to take what I’m talking about, and actually start to develop your abilities to apply it and to get experience.
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Jason Mefford: Okay, it’s still up to you to do some of that now again podcasts are one way communication.
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Jason Mefford: I’m sitting here in my home recording studio talking to you, you’re listening to this at some point in the future in wherever you happen to be
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Jason Mefford: I’m talking you’re listening. It’s one way communication now with community, you get two way communication. Right.
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Jason Mefford: You know, would it be helpful to actually be able to talk to me and bounce ideas back and forth and actually interact with me and develop a relationship with me.
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Jason Mefford: Of course it would. Right. And I’m not just saying that because of me, but it’s it’s it’s beneficial for you in anything that you’re learning
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Jason Mefford: Right. So again, imagine if you’re learning physics. Okay, you’re in a physics you know college course you’ve got a book you’re listening to the professor’s lecture. Okay, great.
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Jason Mefford: That’s teaching us some knowledge, but how valuable, would it be to sit down with that Professor or pick Albert Einstein’s brain.
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Jason Mefford: What if you could be part of a community where Albert Einstein was there actually answering questions and saying things and helping you learn as well as just reading some textbook.
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Jason Mefford: That’s what community can give you. Okay, that’s, that’s what I’m trying to get across to you.
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Jason Mefford: Now, at a time when we are socially isolated. A lot of us are socially isolated right now. We all need community even more. And you’ve heard me say that before.
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Jason Mefford: And what I’m going to tell you is I saw again today on LinkedIn and I just think this is stupid, but it’s already a decision that’s been made.
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Jason Mefford: The AIA is shutting down some of their specialized LinkedIn groups. Okay. And so, you know, again, I disagree with that. But it’s their decision to make.
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Jason Mefford: We need community. And so again, if you’re getting shut out of some of those places, you need to find a community of like minded people where you can hang out.
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Jason Mefford: And develop those abilities and experience in addition to your knowledge and skills. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: So again, if you’re the kind of person that would like to hang out with people like me. Would you like to know where I hang out. Well, why don’t I tell you, okay, you know, again, if you want to connect more with me.
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Jason Mefford: A couple places LinkedIn is one of those. I’m on LinkedIn, every single day if you connect with me if you let me know who you are if you let me know that you listen to the podcast.
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Jason Mefford: If you ask questions. I’m going to answer there is a real person on the other side of those direct messages and LinkedIn and his name is Jason and he looks a lot like me okay because it is me.
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Jason Mefford: So that’s one of the areas where I’m at now, again, that’s one on one, but it is, you know, bilateral communication at that point.
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Jason Mefford: Another place where I hang out is the see risk Academy Facebook group C risk Academy now has a Facebook group again to allow like minded people to come together in a group.
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Jason Mefford: And be able to interact with each other. Ask questions get answers, learn from each other.
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Jason Mefford: And so I hang out in that Facebook group. So if you’d like to become a member of that Facebook group.
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Jason Mefford: And interact with me then join the see risk Academy Facebook group. Okay, there’s a link down below. All you have to do is sign up for a free account and all
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Jason Mefford: The link is down below. But as long as you have a free account on see risk Academy. You can join the facebook group and be able to interact with me and with other people in the internal audit risk and compliance space.
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Jason Mefford: So that’s another one of the places that I hang out. Now, if you’re a chief audit executive another place I hang out is in the chief audit executive forum.
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Jason Mefford: Right. So this is a disk. It’s a forum group, it’s only for chief audit executive, so you must be a chief audit executive to become a member of this
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Jason Mefford: Excuse me. But this is another place where I hang out. And so again, if you’re a chief audit executive that wants to hang out with like minded people.
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Jason Mefford: Other chief audit executive peers and myself, the chief audit executive forum is where you can do that. And there’s a link below for that.
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Jason Mefford: Another place where I hang out is the CIA discussion group. So I created a discussion group on LinkedIn and this is for people who are studying for the certified internal auditor exam.
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Jason Mefford: Lots of people have questions about that they want to be able to interact with other people, maybe create study groups and do other things like that. So I have a group on linked in
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Jason Mefford: That is the CIA discussion group. So again, if you’re that kind of person that is studying for the CIA exam, you’d like some community around that and like to know and interact with others who are also studying for the CIA exam.
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Jason Mefford: There’s another community where you can join. And again, the link is down below.
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Jason Mefford: Who Alright my friends.
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Jason Mefford: Any questions. Well, if you have questions, you know where to find me. Okay.
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Jason Mefford: I hope this was helpful and like I said I’m going to continue to talk more about learning
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Jason Mefford: Because again, I, I think this is one of the biggest keys to your success. And unfortunately, most people don’t actually aren’t actually taught how to learn
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Jason Mefford: In school, we’re told to memorize things that is not the best way to learn. Okay. And, in fact, a lot of the people that give training and are teachers.
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Jason Mefford: Unfortunately, you know, even though they’ve been trained some, a lot of them don’t actually understand
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Jason Mefford: Some of how the brain works. And some of these better ways to help people learn. Okay. And we went through a couple of them today. So again, you’ve got some some takeaway skills.
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Jason Mefford: Right, that we talked about today. I had some silly examples about Popery, and you can remember popery and how to spell it by a pot pouring imagining a pot pouring P. O. T. P. Oh, you are are I popery okay
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Jason Mefford: I hope that was helpful. My friends, and again, I really I do care about all of you that are out there in our profession. I want to make sure that you know that and that
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Jason Mefford: What I’m doing actually comes from my heart because I want to help our profession, and I want to help you. Okay. Sometimes I know I probably sound a little crazy.
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Jason Mefford: But that’s all right, like Billy Joel said, You know, I may be crazy, but it may just be a lunatic, you’re looking for.
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Jason Mefford: At least, that’s kind of what I hope for right had to bring in some sort of music to the end of this episode as well. So with that, my friends go out, have a fabulous next week.
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Jason Mefford: You know, again, if you’re interested in lifelong learning, I would highly suggest that you download Jim Quicks book. His new book called limitless.
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Jason Mefford: Upgrade your brain learn anything faster and unlock your exceptional life and read through that. And again, if you’re really serious about being a lifelong learner and joining a community of people
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Jason Mefford: That are like minded. I gave you some examples of that, during the podcast and the links are below. So with that, my friends keep rocking the audit world and I’ll catch you on a future episode of jamming with Jason see