You may already be familiar with personality profiles like Myers-Briggs or DISC that you can use to learn more about yourself and others as ways to relate and communicate better with others.

Have you heard of Human Design?

In this #jammingwithjason #podcast I talk with Stefanie Elias about this new option of getting to know yourself better. When we know ourselves better, accept our own uniqueness, and be that person we help bring our unique gifts to the world. We can also have more compassion for ourselves and others.

And as always, what we are talking about is kind of what we are really talking about. Take a listen and see what you need to hear this week.

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Jason Mefford: Well hey you may already be familiar with certain tools that some people use to help understand themselves.

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Jason Mefford: and understand other people, maybe that they work with or other people in their family that they’re dealing with.

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Jason Mefford: You know some of the things like the myers briggs profile or disc from a communication perspective.

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Jason Mefford: And you know lots of people use these and their ways for us to help know ourselves better and know the other people that were working with are dealing with, so that we can actually relate better.

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Jason Mefford: Well, today i’m talking to stephanie Elias about another one called human design.

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Jason Mefford: And this is another way for us to help get to know ourselves better it’s something I don’t know a whole lot about myself so i’m excited to jump in and talk with stephanie today.

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Jason Mefford: So if you want to get to know yourself better make sure, and whatever you do listen to this entire episode and see if human design is something that resonates with you so with that let’s roll that episode.

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Jason Mefford: Alright stephanie well welcome, how are you today.

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Stefanie Elias: Thank you for having me i’m very well thanks Jason.

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You know it’s.

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Jason Mefford: This is, this is one of those i’m excited for this discussion because i’m a curious learner I always like to learn new things.

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Jason Mefford: And I know i’ve heard a little bit in kind of the fringes about human design so i’m excited to learn more about what that actually is, and to kind of hear your story, because you know I know that it’s it’s made a big impact in your life.

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Jason Mefford: In want to see you know how it can maybe make a big impact in my life for life of other people who are listening.

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Jason Mefford: as well, so so maybe just to start off with give us all a little context as to you know what was going on in your life and then you found this thing called human design, what is it and how it’s how it’s actually helped you.

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Stefanie Elias: Sure um so I discovered human design.

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Stefanie Elias: i’m going to say it’s like six or eight months ago.

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Stefanie Elias: And i’d seen it.

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Stefanie Elias: You know, online here and there, but I never really looked into it, and when I finally did I was amazed and astounded and I felt.

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Stefanie Elias: I felt very seen and heard and validated because.

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Stefanie Elias: i’m there’s five different types in human design and i’m one of the types that’s less rare, so I felt like.

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Stefanie Elias: Like like someone was telling me all about myself, but this person didn’t know me.

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Stefanie Elias: So that’s what it was like for me.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and so it’s interesting because you say you felt seen heard and validated right and I, and I know you know for myself lots of other people i’ve talked to.

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Jason Mefford: A lot of times we feel like people don’t get me i’m weird i’m different i’m whatever it is right there’s something wrong with me because i’m not like everybody else.

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Jason Mefford: Right is it so that’s kind of how it sounds like you were kind of feeling right, but this helps you how did this help you be feel seen and heard and validated more.

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Stefanie Elias: um well I I went very deep into my own type and.

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Stefanie Elias: um I discovered.

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Stefanie Elias: Like unconscious things that when I when it was brought to my awareness, then it then it resonated so it’s like I learned so much about myself that I didn’t even know.

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Stefanie Elias: I don’t know if that answers the question clearly.

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Jason Mefford: Well, so, so I guess then maybe by learning more about yourself and having it resonate it made you feel more comfortable being yourself and that it was okay to be who you were and.

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Jason Mefford: This is a kind of where you’re going with that.

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Stefanie Elias: yeah and to realize like my own uniqueness and and that it’s safe and that it’s okay to be authentic to be weird right just to do me and in realizing that you realize that every other single soul on the planet.

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Stefanie Elias: is exactly that created in that same unique way.

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Stefanie Elias: And, and it helps when you can see that you yourself are that way it helps your relationships with your family and your friends and your coworkers and your enemies and anyone to because you realize that they are also designed in this unique way.

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Stefanie Elias: And that’s sometimes where.

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Stefanie Elias: i’m like problems can come up in relationships, because there’s friction right because we’re because we’re different.

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Jason Mefford: A little bit about the other person to be like us right instead of instead of celebrating their own uniqueness and allowing them to be themselves.

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Stefanie Elias: Exactly.

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Jason Mefford: yeah because I think that’s where a lot of the friction comes in most of our relationships right.

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Stefanie Elias: Right and I realized that our relationships are like a playing field for growth for evolution when we can see.

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Stefanie Elias: The uniqueness of everyone.

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Stefanie Elias: Well, it just makes more peace in your heart and your life and your relationships and so much more expansion.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and so so so let’s let’s talk a little bit about this, because I know again, you know a lot of people.

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Jason Mefford: Probably aren’t familiar with this right so in the business world, I used myers briggs desk you know some of these different kind of.

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Jason Mefford: Profiling tools, if you will, right so so you know if somebody is kind of familiar with those right you go usually you kind of.

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Jason Mefford: answer some questions you do some different things, and then you kind of get a report right that shows you what your type is right now, and I think that’s a term that human design uses as well right as type.

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Jason Mefford: Yes, so well, so when we’re when we’re using that term folks you’ll know what that means right is your type so like, for you know, for me, for myers briggs i’m an eye and tj.

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Jason Mefford: Which is a rare thing which again probably kind of like you, you know when I found that out i’m like only a few percentage points of the people are this right so.

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Jason Mefford: And that’s why i’m a little different than most people right, but as I would go through, and I, and I read the information about what an eye in tj was.

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Jason Mefford: It resonated with me and it’s like oh that’s why I do those things that’s why i’m this way that’s why i’m a contrarian sometimes right and why i’m a little bit of a rebel.

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Jason Mefford: Is because I just think different or I am a little different right so so, how does, how does the you know just so people can kind of.

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Jason Mefford: get a context, if they’ve gone through one of those other ones, what do you do in human design is that the same kind of thing or How does that work for you to be able to find out what your type is.

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Stefanie Elias: So human design is not a test that you take it is.

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Stefanie Elias: Human design is the is like an energetic map of you it’s where the sun and the earth and the moon, and the planets were located at the time, you were born and 88 degrees before you were born.

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Stefanie Elias: And it takes those two energetic snapshots and it overlays them and it gives you.

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Stefanie Elias: Your body graph so there’s the unconscious, which is the 88 days or the 88 degrees before you were born and then the conscious is the snapshot of like the universe, the planets at the time that you were born.

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Stefanie Elias: And so, like that it’s not a test that you take it just is.

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Jason Mefford: Okay.

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Jason Mefford: So you would get information about where you’re born time date things like that, and so it’s it’s really kind of a melding.

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Jason Mefford: You know I talked about the the myers briggs desk right, this is this is more kind of like an astrology sign if you will right so other people, you know people probably familiar with.

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Jason Mefford: horoscopes the astrological signs as well right, so if you’re already kind of familiar with that.

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Jason Mefford: This sounds like goes into a lot more depth than just what a horoscope might right is that.

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Stefanie Elias: Right, yes, human design is it combines several systems that uses astrology it uses the tree of life, it uses the E Ching and it also uses.

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Stefanie Elias: The Chakra system and it takes all of that together.

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Jason Mefford: To be able to give you a better a better picture of what’s going on now so so again, some people might mean.

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Jason Mefford: I know about astrology I don’t talk a lot of Bethel on this podcast but let’s let’s just talk about it too right because you know again sometimes people are.

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Jason Mefford: Look at it and go oh that’s just right I don’t believe in astrology.

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Jason Mefford: Well, you know, the same thing for me when I read the characteristics or the things about an iron tj on myers briggs when I do the same thing for my astrology sign which happens to be Leo i’m a Leo.

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Jason Mefford: And when I read information about leo’s damn it’s spot on.

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Jason Mefford: Like of who I am right and who I feel like I am and so i’m sure you know people that have been listening at some point, you probably kind of you know poke your head in a little bit or read the horoscopes on Sunday right.

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Jason Mefford: And, and you can probably relate or identify with some of those things it’s the same kind of a thing with this right, I mean, as you were describing feeling like you were seeing heard and validated when you kind of read the information about your particular type.

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Jason Mefford: i’m guessing that’s kind of what you meant to write like it was just resonating with you like oh yeah that’s who I am.

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Stefanie Elias: And you can feel it like in every cell of your body like this is me this is my being.

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Stefanie Elias: Right it’s it’s energy it’s all energy, everything is energy.

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Jason Mefford: Everything is energy and everything has energy but that’s a topic for another.

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Stefanie Elias: podcast that’s right.

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Jason Mefford: So so okay so so it’s interesting so so maybe you know again just you know explain how, how do you do this, I mean if somebody is interested in human design, how to.

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Jason Mefford: How do they go about it, you know get some of these other ones again like you take a test or you buy a book or you do something like that, how would you do this with with human design.

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Stefanie Elias: You can there’s different sites, you can go to.

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Stefanie Elias: I use genetic and you can you can get your free profile and you can see your body graph and.

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Stefanie Elias: Unless you know human design, you probably won’t have much of a clue about what it means, because it you’ll see it has centers and it has gates and channels and so all the planets listed and.

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Stefanie Elias: it’s all very super super interesting and it goes very much in depth, and it can also look really confusing, so you can find a lot of free information on the Internet, but then there’s also a lot of like human design guides out there.

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Stefanie Elias: And you can get like a human design reading.

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Jason Mefford: So, and I know you know because again to kind of tie in like with the astrology thing I know that’s been a thing right, I mean I knows different astrologers and that’s what they do right they.

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Jason Mefford: They take a look at your charts and then they they kind of read or look at you know, based on information about you information about some of these other things that they’re looking at to kind of help do things like predict, you know what might transpire for you this next year.

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Jason Mefford: As an example, right.

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Jason Mefford: And I know again as i’m talking about this, some people are going to be like that’s just bullshit well.

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Jason Mefford: i’ll tell you folks on one of my other podcasts I interviewed and astrologer a few times this woman like to the month, you know.

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Jason Mefford: New when the Berlin Wall, is going to come down right and just stuff that you would.

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Jason Mefford: Not even think about right so so you know if you’re a little skeptical just try it out see if it resonates for you, because that’s what I like to tell people is.

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Jason Mefford: You know who knows it might work for you, it might not work for you, but the only way you’re going to know is, if you try it if you try it and you like it and it’s helpful then there’s no harm in that right.

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Jason Mefford: So you know with that, I mean let’s you know to kind of see how it.

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Jason Mefford: How are really kind of impacted you what What did you learn about your self right that that has been helpful because you know.

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Jason Mefford: Because i’m sure you’ve probably done some of these other things too, but what was it about this, or what did you learn about yourself that really kind of helped pull this together for you.

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Stefanie Elias: yeah so there’s.

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Stefanie Elias: Like when you’re talking about like myers briggs or other like personality tests, you have big.

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Stefanie Elias: Like there’s there’s different groupings within that right or different types in human design, you also have different types, but like within the type you have your own unique profile.

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Stefanie Elias: That is unlike anyone else that’s right so it’s extremely individualized and unique and specific for you.

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Stefanie Elias: And, and so yeah it really.

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Stefanie Elias: served me in a way.

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Stefanie Elias: It just It made me feel like.

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Stefanie Elias: me and my life and my purpose is really needed, because no one else on the planet has the same energy that I do no one else has the exact same shadows and gifts.

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Stefanie Elias: that I have.

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Stefanie Elias: And for me, a lot of the times I used to feel.

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Stefanie Elias: And it’s still do sometimes that you know there’s so many wonderful people on the planet there’s so many books podcasts courses.

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Stefanie Elias: there’s so much.

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Stefanie Elias: there’s so many words there’s so much noise it’s like.

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Stefanie Elias: Do I really need to add to that like do I have anything.

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Stefanie Elias: unique of value that I can actually give to the world.

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Stefanie Elias: and

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Stefanie Elias: Human design showed me that, yes, I do.

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Stefanie Elias: And yes, everyone does.

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Stefanie Elias: Their there’s there’s no one that doesn’t have something.

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Stefanie Elias: The gifts doesn’t have a gift or doesn’t have a value it doesn’t have something unique to bring to the world.

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Stefanie Elias: And, and for me that was huge.

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Stefanie Elias: And when when one person.

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Stefanie Elias: doesn’t bring their gifts to the world.

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Stefanie Elias: there’s a hole there there’s a void there’s something missing, there is something in the in the in the big picture.

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Stefanie Elias: That could be a blessing to someone that could help someone that could encourage someone.

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Stefanie Elias: that’s not going to happen if you don’t use your gifts and bring.

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Stefanie Elias: Your gifts to the world.

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Stefanie Elias: Because in the big picture, we all there’s a puzzle and we’re all a piece and we’re all needed and we all fit.

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Jason Mefford: We fit together perfectly right because it, because as you’re talking there you know, again I think that’s that’s some things that people need to hear right, because I think sometimes we.

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Jason Mefford: You know it’s interesting that you bring up about how even though, yes, there are types, it really is more about the uniqueness of you.

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Jason Mefford: Because I think so much of the time, and like you said, even you know i’m familiar with myers briggs a lot of people listening might be so i’ll just use that as an example.

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Jason Mefford: right for four different letter combinations that make up 16 different types right, if you will, and everybody gets placed in a box.

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Jason Mefford: And so you know you might go through and read that or you might read something like your zodiac sign and it’s like.

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Jason Mefford: You know about 50 to 75% of that really sounds like me but i’m not so sure about the rest of it right, and so you know there’s this whole idea of we shouldn’t put people in boxes, we shouldn’t put ourself in boxes necessarily right.

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Jason Mefford: In I remember one of the guys that I that I used to work with, he told me one time with his with his grandson was a son or if it was son son or grandson I can’t remember.

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Jason Mefford: Mixed race couple mixed race children.

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Jason Mefford: And I remember him telling me, you know what what he would always tell his kids is don’t ever let somebody puts you in a box.

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Jason Mefford: Right, because so much of life, we want to get put in a box, you know you take something like race that really doesn’t matter.

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Jason Mefford: But on how many government forms, do you have to mark i’m white non Hispanic or I am you know East islander or I am whatever right so much of life is trying to put us all in a box in this order but damn it i’m not a box you’re not a box nobody’s a box right.

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Jason Mefford: Right and or or the other thing, where you know people try to put us in those boxes, or they try to make us conform yeah right that unless you’re like all the other kids there’s something wrong with you.

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Jason Mefford: You know you’re not here and I felt that, as a kid how I still feel that as an adult.

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Jason Mefford: Okay, because i’m not like all the other kids.

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Jason Mefford: So that message that you were just sharing too is it’s okay to be unique it’s okay to be weird it’s okay to be quirky because, without all of us being who we are and bringing our own unique experiences of perspective and everything else together.

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Jason Mefford: In a pretty picture in the world right, I mean imagine if you were trying to paint paint a painting, but you could only use red paint.

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Stefanie Elias: boring.

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Jason Mefford: boring, and the same shade of red, mind you.

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Jason Mefford: Right you just have a canvas full of the same paint and so it’s really it’s all of that.

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Jason Mefford: Difference uniqueness that actually adds to the overall experience well.

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Stefanie Elias: Yes, and human design we call it conditioning the you know everyone’s painted with the same color put in a box labeled organized you know it’s like because we understand.

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Stefanie Elias: We understand boxes, we can we can label things and then it feels like that’s where it belongs in and it’s safe right because we’re afraid of things that we don’t understand.

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Stefanie Elias: And and human design has helped me.

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Stefanie Elias: To.

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Stefanie Elias: Well, if your body graph shows you where your strengths are where your gifts are and where your potential for conditioning lies to.

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Stefanie Elias: And it’s very it’s a very, very powerful system.

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Stefanie Elias: And it is a system, but it is not a box is not a box for anyone.

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Jason Mefford: Well i’m sure you know, again you’ve.

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Jason Mefford: you’ve said how it helped you right to be able to understand yourself better.

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Jason Mefford: But How has it helped you I guess as well to understand other people, or maybe be more compassionate for other people as well.

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Stefanie Elias: Absolutely I sat around all my kids charts and and i’ve done, you know readings for other people and.

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Stefanie Elias: yeah, then you can see where they’re coming from you can see their energy, you can see their strengths and their gifts and and where you might struggle and another really cool thing you can do with human design is you can.

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Stefanie Elias: Do a relationship chart so you can like overlay one chart on top of another, and you can see where the potential.

00:23:53.010 –> 00:24:00.030
Stefanie Elias: strengths are, and also the weaknesses and so that you just so that you’re aware of it, and then you can.

00:24:01.650 –> 00:24:05.370
Stefanie Elias: Allow accept and embrace.

00:24:06.750 –> 00:24:10.230
Stefanie Elias: Because that is the path to.

00:24:11.550 –> 00:24:13.440
Stefanie Elias: To freedom to peace.

00:24:15.690 –> 00:24:21.900
Stefanie Elias: We don’t no one needs fixing, we just need accepting.

00:24:23.160 –> 00:24:25.050
Stefanie Elias: of each other and ourselves.

00:24:28.500 –> 00:24:30.840
Jason Mefford: Just writing that down i’m a note taker.

00:24:31.650 –> 00:24:34.680
Jason Mefford: Nobody needs fixing we need acceptance.

00:24:38.430 –> 00:24:39.750
Stefanie Elias: that’s really can only.

00:24:40.140 –> 00:24:46.860
Stefanie Elias: And we, and we can really honestly I, in my opinion, only.

00:24:48.060 –> 00:24:52.530
Stefanie Elias: love and accept others as much as we love and accept ourselves.

00:24:53.580 –> 00:25:01.680
Stefanie Elias: And when we do it for ourselves that energy like it radiates out and it affects.

00:25:02.730 –> 00:25:05.070
Stefanie Elias: Other people there’ll be a ripple effect.

00:25:06.180 –> 00:25:08.100
Stefanie Elias: Whether you realize it or not.

00:25:10.800 –> 00:25:16.800
Stefanie Elias: Because of us being authentic gives other people permission to be authentic.

00:25:21.540 –> 00:25:22.650
Jason Mefford: And, most of us.

00:25:23.760 –> 00:25:26.280
Jason Mefford: are afraid to be authentic right.

00:25:27.000 –> 00:25:27.900
Stefanie Elias: Yes, we are.

00:25:28.320 –> 00:25:37.110
Jason Mefford: Until someone else around us has the courage to actually show us and let us know that it’s okay.

00:25:37.860 –> 00:25:42.750
Stefanie Elias: Right and it’s it’s very okay it’s more than okay it’s.

00:25:43.920 –> 00:25:47.100
Stefanie Elias: it’s absolutely necessary for habitus.

00:25:48.360 –> 00:25:55.980
Jason Mefford: But I think it’s interesting because it’s you know, one of the things that I talked about a lot of times with people who are leaders right is.

00:25:57.330 –> 00:25:58.200
Jason Mefford: fix yourself.

00:25:59.640 –> 00:26:04.260
Jason Mefford: Right quit trying to fix everybody else you know fix yourself be yourself.

00:26:05.370 –> 00:26:18.210
Jason Mefford: And when you do that right then your world around you changes, and I think that’s that’s pretty much what you’re saying here too right is that I think so much of the time we were trying to fix other people.

00:26:19.380 –> 00:26:21.390
Jason Mefford: We want to fix other people right.

00:26:24.120 –> 00:26:26.580
Jason Mefford: And instead, we need to be fixing ourselves.

00:26:27.870 –> 00:26:39.360
Jason Mefford: And then other things, end up changing but that’s an area where it’s scary for most of us to go right is this whole idea of self worth self love.

00:26:40.500 –> 00:26:56.550
Jason Mefford: That we’re scared to go there yeah but it sounds like going through this process has helped helped you even to be able to accept and love yourself more to by actually understanding and embracing who you who you are.

00:26:57.030 –> 00:26:58.530
Stefanie Elias: Absolutely yeah.

00:26:59.940 –> 00:27:15.840
Stefanie Elias: yeah and something thats related well not something that’s born out of human design it’s a it’s a totally different system it’s called gene keys and it’s based on the E Ching.

00:27:17.370 –> 00:27:22.080
Stefanie Elias: And that is something that has helped me.

00:27:23.370 –> 00:27:26.880
Stefanie Elias: Just as much or maybe even more than human design.

00:27:27.960 –> 00:27:33.450
Stefanie Elias: um but it just it goes it goes very deep and.

00:27:35.820 –> 00:27:54.420
Stefanie Elias: Like we were talking about how your we’re how we’re all trying to you know change other people or fix other people, and when we when we transform ourselves on the inside, you can transform a relationship just by changing yourself by healing your own.

00:27:55.620 –> 00:27:56.580
Stefanie Elias: Inner wounds.

00:27:57.840 –> 00:27:59.670
Stefanie Elias: You know your trauma.

00:28:01.290 –> 00:28:11.100
Stefanie Elias: And the trauma that might not even be yours, it might be ancestral but by owning it, you can heal it and then you will automatically.

00:28:12.120 –> 00:28:15.810
Stefanie Elias: heal your relationships, it just it cannot happen.

00:28:18.390 –> 00:28:21.120
Jason Mefford: But it’s interesting because relationships are one that.

00:28:23.190 –> 00:28:26.190
Jason Mefford: So many people struggle with right.

00:28:28.650 –> 00:28:31.440
Jason Mefford: And, and so much of the time right we’re.

00:28:33.540 –> 00:28:36.060
Jason Mefford: You know I saw this through my divorce.

00:28:37.320 –> 00:28:52.350
Jason Mefford: You know my ex wife expected me to be a different person and wanted me to be a different person right or, as I was changing and growing and developing as an adult while I wasn’t the same guy that she married.

00:28:53.460 –> 00:29:03.390
Jason Mefford: yeah oh shit honey, I mean you know you can’t live life and be exactly the same person, the whole time right and and so much of the time.

00:29:04.050 –> 00:29:17.010
Jason Mefford: When we’re having relationship problems we want to change the other person or we were hoping or where we’re cajoling are arguing or fighting to get the other person.

00:29:18.210 –> 00:29:27.180
Jason Mefford: To be different, be the kind of person we want them to be when instead it sounds like we should be focusing on herself.

00:29:28.230 –> 00:29:28.620
Jason Mefford: Right.

00:29:29.400 –> 00:29:31.920
Jason Mefford: Selling killing those things doing.

00:29:32.430 –> 00:29:38.250
Jason Mefford: Those kind of things, and then the relationship takes care of itself is that what i’m kind of hearing you say.

00:29:39.840 –> 00:29:51.840
Stefanie Elias: It either the other person will respond to how you are changing on the inside healing your ruins and like stepping into your own unique.

00:29:53.190 –> 00:30:04.800
Stefanie Elias: Self like your own your own power, and they will either respond to that and and change or they’ll leave.

00:30:08.370 –> 00:30:08.550
Stefanie Elias: It.

00:30:09.570 –> 00:30:10.770
Stefanie Elias: To be one of the two.

00:30:11.370 –> 00:30:15.000
Jason Mefford: yeah so the relationship sort itself out one way or another.

00:30:15.270 –> 00:30:17.100
Stefanie Elias: Right right and.

00:30:17.520 –> 00:30:31.050
Stefanie Elias: Really, I think that when they if you are healing your own self and you are truly loving yourself and loving them and not being attached to the outcome.

00:30:33.750 –> 00:30:34.470
Stefanie Elias: The.

00:30:35.910 –> 00:30:42.810
Stefanie Elias: If the relationship ends, it will be peaceful it won’t be you know, a ton of drama.

00:30:47.250 –> 00:30:49.950
Stefanie Elias: So Jerry calm and peaceful.

00:30:51.660 –> 00:30:55.140
Stefanie Elias: way to to live, you know.

00:30:58.140 –> 00:30:59.160
Jason Mefford: Well, I think it’s.

00:31:00.270 –> 00:31:03.630
Jason Mefford: You know, again, as you is you’re talking about this is part of.

00:31:05.130 –> 00:31:08.790
Jason Mefford: You know, again, you can learn a lot, by doing this, about yourself.

00:31:10.860 –> 00:31:21.600
Jason Mefford: But it’s also some other lessons, even if you don’t go through and do this right, if you don’t go to you know, do the human design and get your chart and find out your type and all that kind of stuff.

00:31:22.860 –> 00:31:41.760
Jason Mefford: The stuff we’re talking about is still what you need to hear whether you do it or not right about kind of the self acceptance and the self love working on ourself you know, making ourselves better because, as we change the world around us changes.

00:31:42.780 –> 00:31:47.370
Jason Mefford: and also about being more compassionate for other people.

00:31:47.760 –> 00:31:48.330
Jason Mefford: I was.

00:31:48.510 –> 00:31:55.680
Jason Mefford: I was listening to a training we’re in one of the same programs together, I was watching one of the videos from that and.

00:31:57.210 –> 00:32:03.690
Jason Mefford: The point that came up, you know that everybody in the world is doing the best they know how.

00:32:04.710 –> 00:32:05.730
Jason Mefford: With what they have.

00:32:07.650 –> 00:32:11.670
Jason Mefford: And how true is that right and and and doesn’t that mean that.

00:32:13.200 –> 00:32:17.940
Jason Mefford: We should have that much more compassion for everybody.

00:32:18.990 –> 00:32:30.090
Jason Mefford: and celebrate everybody’s uniqueness yeah right because, like like you said at the beginning, right, as we all have a special purpose to play.

00:32:31.890 –> 00:32:38.070
Jason Mefford: And if we don’t play that then that color of paint never makes it.

00:32:39.210 –> 00:32:40.920
Jason Mefford: On the painting right.

00:32:42.090 –> 00:32:47.430
Jason Mefford: And that and that one thing because I remember it just reminded me of a movie that I watched it was about.

00:32:48.540 –> 00:32:50.760
Jason Mefford: Turner he was an artist in in.

00:32:52.140 –> 00:32:55.560
Jason Mefford: England in the 1800s very famous painter.

00:32:56.730 –> 00:33:08.820
Jason Mefford: And I remember one scene, where he painted it’s very famous painting of you know there’s a boat out in this lake and he goes up you know all of his work is is hung up in the.

00:33:12.480 –> 00:33:14.340
Jason Mefford: exposition whatever you call it right.

00:33:15.390 –> 00:33:27.990
Jason Mefford: And people are going around critiquing it and all of a sudden, he walks up and he’s got a paintbrush in his hand and the paintings done right it’s hanging on the wall and he walks up and he goes he looks at it pulls out his paintbrush and he goes.

00:33:29.220 –> 00:33:30.900
Jason Mefford: I think does one little job.

00:33:31.950 –> 00:33:36.630
Jason Mefford: Of like is orange red color and it was a very.

00:33:37.800 –> 00:33:52.320
Jason Mefford: muted color painting right grays browns things like that one pop of color at the end and everybody looked at him like what the hell, are you doing man you don’t do this when you’re when you’re exhibiting the stuff right.

00:33:53.340 –> 00:33:55.680
Jason Mefford: But how many of us might be that.

00:33:56.760 –> 00:34:04.590
Jason Mefford: Little pop of color that if we don’t show up if we don’t aren’t who we are authentically.

00:34:06.060 –> 00:34:15.180
Jason Mefford: That da BA paint never makes it on the painting, and now, when I see that painting by Turner what am I drawn to.

00:34:17.400 –> 00:34:23.640
Jason Mefford: That thing right and everybody at the time was so crazy you just ruined the painting.

00:34:24.720 –> 00:34:26.280
Jason Mefford: didn’t ruin the painting did it.

00:34:27.330 –> 00:34:28.200
Jason Mefford: But we made it.

00:34:29.250 –> 00:34:42.270
Jason Mefford: yeah and if we don’t show up and be who we are authentically right and allow other people around us to be that way as well, we could be missing out on the same kind of thing yeah.

00:34:43.500 –> 00:34:47.970
Stefanie Elias: there’s a there’s a great change happening in the world it’s already starting.

00:34:51.930 –> 00:34:52.680
Stefanie Elias: and

00:34:56.610 –> 00:35:02.010
Stefanie Elias: there’s there’s going to be a lot of like a big shifts in our emotional solar plexus.

00:35:03.780 –> 00:35:05.940
Stefanie Elias: And we’re going to be.

00:35:08.100 –> 00:35:15.180
Stefanie Elias: very gradually over years and years and years, like leaving behind this.

00:35:16.830 –> 00:35:23.910
Stefanie Elias: institutionalized type of society that we have right now and it’s going to be more.

00:35:26.310 –> 00:35:30.120
Stefanie Elias: it’s gonna be more like heaven on earth.

00:35:32.700 –> 00:35:37.800
Stefanie Elias: You know when when people love themselves, and when they love others.

00:35:38.940 –> 00:35:45.480
Stefanie Elias: there’s there’s not going to be the strife and the conflict and the wars and the poverty.

00:35:47.340 –> 00:35:48.570
Stefanie Elias: How can there be.

00:35:53.160 –> 00:35:55.320
Stefanie Elias: Right and that’s something that.

00:35:56.460 –> 00:36:01.200
Stefanie Elias: I don’t know I felt that for a long time, and in my.

00:36:02.310 –> 00:36:05.580
Stefanie Elias: journey of human design and also the gene keys it’s just.

00:36:07.380 –> 00:36:13.440
Stefanie Elias: it’s been like confirmed, or like I can feel it in every cell of my be.

00:36:16.770 –> 00:36:19.380
Jason Mefford: Well, in my opinion it’s about time.

00:36:20.910 –> 00:36:22.530
Jason Mefford: As well right, because I know.

00:36:23.970 –> 00:36:40.560
Jason Mefford: Like we talked about earlier on, I felt this way you felt this way a lot of people out there, feel like i’m different i’m weird I don’t fit in nobody’s going to accept me if I am that way and there’s been so many things that have happened.

00:36:41.970 –> 00:36:45.450
Jason Mefford: Especially in the last few years right that’s making it.

00:36:47.010 –> 00:36:52.140
Jason Mefford: Much more acceptable for people to publicly admit.

00:36:53.310 –> 00:37:04.290
Jason Mefford: who they are, what they do and again i’m just using an analogy here it’s not it’s not the end all be all but, but you know if you take, for example, people’s sexuality.

00:37:05.850 –> 00:37:19.950
Jason Mefford: For a long time you never talked about that publicly, because it was not allowed right if you were you know, in a homosexual relationship that had to be hidden because literally still some places of the world, you can die.

00:37:20.730 –> 00:37:22.710
Jason Mefford: If be if people find out about that.

00:37:23.160 –> 00:37:36.900
Jason Mefford: But over time there’s become a much more growing acceptance of it right and in the in the fact of you know if you’re homosexual male if you’re lesbian.

00:37:37.380 –> 00:37:59.550
Jason Mefford: Now you know, bisexual queer you know, whatever different terms are non binary right if people from a gender perspective if that’s how they choose to identify themselves it’s it’s becoming more Okay, for all of us to admit, who we really are underneath.

00:38:00.780 –> 00:38:09.330
Jason Mefford: Right and it’s a beautiful thing because you know, again, it puts fear in the institutions, because they want to put us in a box.

00:38:10.380 –> 00:38:24.450
Jason Mefford: They want to have a factory line like an old you know, think about like an old you know industrial factory but that’s not who we are and and it’s becoming more and more accepted and.

00:38:25.590 –> 00:38:33.240
Jason Mefford: that’s what we’re going to be living with right, so we have to learn how to connect and relate to other people.

00:38:33.810 –> 00:38:52.980
Jason Mefford: use their unique gifts right to our benefit because a lot of times people that we we think right might not fit in the box or exactly the people that we need, and I think i’ve shared on the podcast before about temple grandin you know autistic woman.

00:38:54.030 –> 00:38:56.910
Jason Mefford: One of the most brilliant minds in the world.

00:38:57.870 –> 00:39:00.840
Jason Mefford: And what she has been able to accomplish and her.

00:39:01.560 –> 00:39:11.100
Jason Mefford: Her push you know for autism and other stuff to be to be recognized is look we’re not we’re not disabled.

00:39:11.700 –> 00:39:20.160
Jason Mefford: we’re not you know we’re not weird we just have different gifts and we can see the world in a different way than most people can.

00:39:20.850 –> 00:39:37.980
Jason Mefford: In the fact that I can see the world in a different way means that I can make suggestions and improvements right and that woman has from an animal cruelty standpoint, and you know slaughterhouses, because I used to work for a company, and we have slaughterhouses.

00:39:39.510 –> 00:39:44.790
Jason Mefford: You know, to make it to make the the pain and suffering of the animal last at the end.

00:39:45.810 –> 00:39:54.270
Jason Mefford: While still accomplishing the bigger thing right and and there’s so much of that that’s out there, but if if we are not willing.

00:39:55.500 –> 00:39:57.930
Jason Mefford: To show up and be that Speck of paint.

00:39:58.950 –> 00:39:59.970
Stefanie Elias: On the painting.

00:40:00.600 –> 00:40:01.800
Jason Mefford: it’s never going to happen.

00:40:03.780 –> 00:40:12.870
Stefanie Elias: Right and there is no one right way to view anything to do anything to think anything.

00:40:14.730 –> 00:40:19.770
Stefanie Elias: how you see something how you view something how you think about something that’s correct.

00:40:20.820 –> 00:40:23.970
Stefanie Elias: And someone else is going to have a different perspective and that’s correct to.

00:40:26.370 –> 00:40:31.770
Jason Mefford: Do because, in our own interpretations were correct, but we have different interpretations right.

00:40:33.240 –> 00:40:45.360
Stefanie Elias: right but that’s just that’s just allowing and accepting and embracing like your own views your own interpretations and everyone else’s too and just allowing it.

00:40:46.860 –> 00:40:55.770
Stefanie Elias: There there’s so much peace and so much freedom and ease that that comes from that.

00:40:57.360 –> 00:41:08.850
Stefanie Elias: You know you just focus on your self focus on your journey and and how you can you know, be a blessing to others and serve others and help others along the ways, but not.

00:41:09.360 –> 00:41:24.540
Stefanie Elias: Trying to change them into what you think they should be like who am I to think that I should know even what my kids should be there, their own unique divine being.

00:41:26.880 –> 00:41:29.670
Stefanie Elias: How do I know what’s meant for them what’s the best for them.

00:41:32.040 –> 00:41:33.360
Stefanie Elias: Everyone knows.

00:41:35.610 –> 00:41:38.670
Stefanie Elias: Like in your soul, you know who you are.

00:41:40.170 –> 00:41:45.090
Stefanie Elias: You know what’s right for you and you know what your purposes.

00:41:46.530 –> 00:41:58.350
Stefanie Elias: Or you can find it, you know in human design or in the gene keys, or maybe in other ways, but it’s all there inside of you all the answers are inside of US already.

00:42:01.140 –> 00:42:10.590
Stefanie Elias: One thing that human design shows you is your inner authority and that’s how you make decisions that are aligned and correct for you.

00:42:11.910 –> 00:42:19.440
Stefanie Elias: So that you never need to wonder or worry or logically try to think through.

00:42:20.460 –> 00:42:24.720
Stefanie Elias: What should I decide you already know inside your body.

00:42:27.060 –> 00:42:29.160
Stefanie Elias: it’s a tremendous tremendous gift.

00:42:31.260 –> 00:42:38.760
Jason Mefford: Well, the more that we get in touch with that, I mean again some people use the word intuition right that goes along with that, but the more.

00:42:40.350 –> 00:42:44.790
Jason Mefford: The more we learn how that works and tap into that.

00:42:46.020 –> 00:42:47.340
Jason Mefford: The less we have to be in our head.

00:42:48.570 –> 00:42:59.160
Jason Mefford: And the quicker we’re able to make decisions right instead of you know a lot of people I work with they want to create a spreadsheet and T columns and all these different things and spend.

00:43:00.300 –> 00:43:07.680
Jason Mefford: spend two to four weeks trying to make a decision that they already know before they even go through the whole process right.

00:43:08.520 –> 00:43:28.890
Jason Mefford: And so what i’m hearing you say is, the more we can kind of tap into that understand how how we make decisions and just allow ourselves to make the decision the way we’ve been programmed instead of trying to do it the way other people would tell us were supposed to do it.

00:43:29.940 –> 00:43:34.080
Jason Mefford: We can also make quicker and better decisions as well.

00:43:34.920 –> 00:43:44.490
Stefanie Elias: Yes, and on one side, yes, you can make decision that’s correct for you, at that time, but on the other hand.

00:43:46.500 –> 00:44:00.240
Stefanie Elias: You can’t really make a wrong decision like even because there’s no mistakes it’s either going to be the correct decision for you, where you’ll have the you know the successful outcome that you want or it’ll be a lesson.

00:44:01.080 –> 00:44:05.310
Stefanie Elias: You know that there’s no mistakes there’s no wrong decisions there’s no.

00:44:07.980 –> 00:44:08.190
Stefanie Elias: um.

00:44:10.500 –> 00:44:18.930
Stefanie Elias: yeah Do you know what I mean how it’s it’s some it just gives you that freedom, it gives you that ease that you don’t have to worry you don’t have to stress.

00:44:20.940 –> 00:44:26.670
Stefanie Elias: But at the same time, but on the other hand, if you know your inner authority, then you can much more easily.

00:44:27.780 –> 00:44:31.800
Stefanie Elias: have more outcomes that are what you’re looking for.

00:44:33.810 –> 00:44:43.920
Jason Mefford: And maybe more outcomes that are quicker because we’re not again there’s no right or wrong decision if we decide, and it doesn’t serve us we make a different decision.

00:44:44.160 –> 00:44:54.600
Jason Mefford: Right, sometimes we have to make a lot of those decisions to get us, maybe, where we could have gotten quicker if we had just relied on that internal guidance system.

00:44:54.960 –> 00:45:05.670
Stefanie Elias: Yes, exactly yeah and there’s seven different inner authorities in human design and the mind is not one of them yeah that all.

00:45:07.110 –> 00:45:11.250
Jason Mefford: Well, because most of those decisions don’t come from the brain they come from the heart of the gut.

00:45:14.220 –> 00:45:18.990
Stefanie Elias: yeah did they come from our body like our body, no not our mind yeah.

00:45:21.180 –> 00:45:21.510

00:45:23.310 –> 00:45:30.720
Stefanie Elias: So tuning into our bodies and getting out of our heads is it’s very, very powerful.

00:45:34.140 –> 00:45:35.460
Stefanie Elias: Something that I.

00:45:37.230 –> 00:45:42.360
Stefanie Elias: have learned and i’m sure I will, and I will practice it dress my life.

00:45:44.850 –> 00:45:45.810
Jason Mefford: yeah and continue to.

00:45:47.520 –> 00:45:49.260
Jason Mefford: All right, stephanie this has been.

00:45:51.990 –> 00:46:05.160
Jason Mefford: very enlightening and learning conversation, for me, I learned a lot i’ve taken a whole bunch of notes here, so now I gotta go actually do this and figure out what my type type is and my uniqueness and.

00:46:06.540 –> 00:46:08.280
Jason Mefford: get to know myself better.

00:46:09.450 –> 00:46:12.390
Jason Mefford: Right, so that I can relate with other people better.

00:46:13.620 –> 00:46:20.280
Jason Mefford: And really provide my own uniqueness, to the world.

00:46:21.420 –> 00:46:27.480
Jason Mefford: To be able to help been painting that big picture that we’re all painting and we’re all putting.

00:46:29.100 –> 00:46:35.340
Jason Mefford: Putting little bits of ourself into the overall totality of the human experience.

00:46:36.090 –> 00:46:38.100
Stefanie Elias: Yes, we’re all needed.

00:46:39.780 –> 00:46:43.830
Stefanie Elias: Everyone has their own unique gifts that they bring and.

00:46:45.750 –> 00:46:48.660
Stefanie Elias: And without them it’s just not the same.

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Jason Mefford: Great stuff well you know I know you know you’ve been into this now for for a little while, and I know I think you help people kind of read through and understand because I know i’ve seen some of the graphics and it’s like I have no idea what that means.

00:47:04.020 –> 00:47:05.820
Jason Mefford: So it’s a little confusing to me.

00:47:06.960 –> 00:47:21.450
Jason Mefford: That that’s one of the things that you do help people with so it, you know if people is there, listening to this, or like man, I want to get to know that lady how, how can they how’s the best way for people to reach out to you if they if they want to.

00:47:22.410 –> 00:47:30.060
Stefanie Elias: They can find me on Facebook just send me a message and also instagram and i’m also on linkedin.

00:47:30.840 –> 00:47:31.050

00:47:32.100 –> 00:47:36.060
Jason Mefford: So either Facebook instagram or linkedin you can find her.

00:47:37.800 –> 00:47:40.080
Jason Mefford: And yeah like I said, thank you for.

00:47:41.850 –> 00:47:50.460
Jason Mefford: For coming on because I was the same thing I was probably where you were a year ago i’ve heard about some of this stuff I kind of keep seeing it in the periphery.

00:47:51.120 –> 00:48:08.550
Jason Mefford: But you know, one of the other things that I I try to do is once I once I hear the same thing 234 times I try to listen right like if if three or four people are recommending the same book within like a week I better go by the book.

00:48:09.870 –> 00:48:12.840
Jason Mefford: and read it, because it’s it’s something that I needed to hear.

00:48:13.380 –> 00:48:15.330
Jason Mefford: And this is one of those topics.

00:48:15.420 –> 00:48:20.250
Jason Mefford: I think for me to that is something i’m supposed to do now so.

00:48:21.240 –> 00:48:25.740
Jason Mefford: Any any any final thoughts that you’d like to leave with people as well before we.

00:48:25.860 –> 00:48:27.000
Jason Mefford: Before we wrap up here.

00:48:28.680 –> 00:48:29.430
Stefanie Elias: um.

00:48:35.400 –> 00:48:47.370
Stefanie Elias: Can I read a little bit something from a book it’s about the eighth gene key which is transitioning I believe through the earth right now and it’s going to be in the full moon moral.

00:48:48.240 –> 00:49:05.370
Stefanie Elias: And the partial lunar eclipse and the eighth genki is about it’s the shadow of mediocrity and inside that shadow lies the gift of style which.

00:49:06.150 –> 00:49:17.160
Stefanie Elias: You were alluding to earlier, you were talking about you know how you felt different or weird and a little bit rebellious because you don’t fit in a box.

00:49:18.240 –> 00:49:22.890
Stefanie Elias: And that’s exactly what this gift is all about.

00:49:24.840 –> 00:49:25.590
Stefanie Elias: and

00:49:26.790 –> 00:49:32.340
Stefanie Elias: The eighth gift is the gift of style and true style is always rebellious.

00:49:33.930 –> 00:49:43.950
Stefanie Elias: it’s rebellious because it’s always recreating itself it isn’t afraid of the mundane material plane and it isn’t in reaction to it either.

00:49:44.910 –> 00:50:00.960
Stefanie Elias: This is a state that’s always exploring new paradigms that’s always expanding out of its boundaries into new areas, these are people who aren’t afraid of trying new things they’re not afraid of constantly redefining themselves.

00:50:02.010 –> 00:50:09.810
Stefanie Elias: Their competence derives from their lack of a fixed self image they can be a plumber one moment and a pirate the next.

00:50:11.520 –> 00:50:18.300
Stefanie Elias: The eighth gift has no investment in its own image it’s the process in which self image is being short circuited.

00:50:19.380 –> 00:50:27.630
Stefanie Elias: The moment we surrender to life we surrender to a dance that so mysterious, we can never follow it with our mind.

00:50:32.880 –> 00:50:35.130
Stefanie Elias: that’s my book by Richard Rudd.

00:50:36.210 –> 00:50:38.010
Stefanie Elias: it’s called the 64 ways.

00:50:44.550 –> 00:50:45.060
Jason Mefford: Thank you.

00:50:46.500 –> 00:50:55.530
Jason Mefford: As you read that there were certain things that stuck out to me, in particular, which is i’m sure why you felt like we need to read that right now.

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00:50:57.450 –> 00:51:00.030
Jason Mefford: it’s I appreciate you.

00:51:01.620 –> 00:51:07.140
Jason Mefford: Coming on and talking about this, because you know again everybody that’s been listening.

00:51:08.160 –> 00:51:11.880
Jason Mefford: Go back and listen to this again, you know it’s one of those where.

00:51:14.070 –> 00:51:17.670
Jason Mefford: I tell you a lot what we’re talking about is not what we’re talking about.

00:51:19.140 –> 00:51:24.480
Jason Mefford: What you think we’re talking about but it’s not really what we’re talking about if you’re really paying attention.

00:51:25.320 –> 00:51:37.230
Jason Mefford: So you know yeah go back get to know yourself better treat yourself better give yourself more compassion show more compassion to other people around you.

00:51:38.520 –> 00:51:43.410
Jason Mefford: The world is changing and it’s going in a certain direction.

00:51:44.430 –> 00:51:48.930
Jason Mefford: You can choose to jump on board or you can keep fighting it.

00:51:50.130 –> 00:52:04.110
Jason Mefford: But it’s maybe time for you to start jumping on board, instead of trying to fight it because you know again kind of the picture that you painted there we were using that analogy a lot today.

00:52:05.520 –> 00:52:26.970
Jason Mefford: of what the future will be is fabulous it is what I think people want and you know, for that change to happen it takes all of us to do our little piece right how you change the world as one person at a time.

00:52:28.080 –> 00:52:36.840
Jason Mefford: And you change yourself, you change the world around you right so there’s the bigger key to everything as well, so.

00:52:38.700 –> 00:52:39.270
Jason Mefford: Thank you.

00:52:41.280 –> 00:52:43.230
Jason Mefford: For sharing with us today.

00:52:44.100 –> 00:52:46.800
Stefanie Elias: Thank you for allowing me i’m honored.

00:52:47.580 –> 00:52:48.840
Jason Mefford: Well you’re very welcome, thank you.

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