Motivational speaker Jim Rohn famously said that we are the average of the five people we spend the most time with. So what do you do when you are a boy born in a small village in northwestern Russia and want to become successful and improve your life?

You “hang out” with people who inspire you by reading their books, taking their courses, and feeding your brain so you become like them. You develop habits that made those people successful and you live them every day. Success leaves clues, and what others have done you can do also.

I’m grateful to share my friend Pavel Verbnyak’s story in this #jammingwithjason #podcast because what he has accomplished, you can too. He share exactly what he did, and what you can do to start making changes on the inside so the world around you changes.

This is one of those episodes where the more you listen, the more you will learn, and hear exactly what you need to hear. The fact that you are reading this means there is something in this episode you need to hear today.

Pavel is a keynote motivational speaker, success strategist-coach, expert and author on the subjects of personal and professional development. His goal is to help, inspire people achieve their personal, professional, and financial goals faster and easier than they ever imagined.

You can see why I like Pavel and how we are so aligned in how we want to serve and help you.

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Jason Mefford: hey welcome again to another episode of jamming with Jason hey today, you know you know if you’ve been listening to me for a while i’m based in the Los Angeles area in California, and today I have a very special guest.

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Jason Mefford: all the way from Russia so literally we’re talking literally like halfway around the world, but i’m excited to talk to prevail and i’m hopefully i’m going to say this right.

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Jason Mefford: Here, but he is an expert in the psychology of success there’s a lot of things that he and I have in common and so i’m excited for today’s episode, because this is one just where.

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Jason Mefford: We get to kind of geek out and talk about some of this stuff but, as you listen you’re going to hear exactly what it is that you need to hear today, and so, with that let’s roll that episode.

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Jason Mefford: hey pop out our am I saying that right again but.

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Jason Mefford: Allah Allah POM POM POM.

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Pavel Verbnyak: it’s all ages.

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Pavel Verbnyak: it’s very nice to see you and thank you very much for the invitation.

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Pavel Verbnyak: For this conversation it’s it’s wonderful to share some ideas and thoughts with you and followers and I would love to learn from you as well, because you’re doing great then.

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Jason Mefford: Well, you know these are just conversations I mean that’s why college jamming with Jason because effectively, you know it kind of feel like it’s just a couple of friends sitting around talking but the rest of the world gets to listen right and I always.

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Jason Mefford: used to think I mean how cool would it be right to like listen to two experts about something just kind of be the fly on the wall so.

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Jason Mefford: Hopefully that’s a little bit about what what people get from here, but yeah let’s let’s jump in because I know you know we’ve talked a little bit before and we’re so much in alignment.

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Jason Mefford: yeah about how we’re trying to help people in this world, but maybe just just give everybody a little a little background into you.

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Jason Mefford: kind of how you got to what you’re doing, because I think that’s always a very interesting story for people to understand how other people get to where they go right because that shows us clues right and there’s clues to success, I know we’ve talked.

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Jason Mefford: A little bit about that already right it’s like.

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Jason Mefford: You want to be successful, look at what other people are doing, who are successful and try to follow what they’re doing so, so what what’s your story kind of how did, how did you get to this point of of kind of teaching and speaking and sharing these concepts, with people yeah.

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Pavel Verbnyak: I was born in small city in North Western part of Russia close to St Petersburg and Finland in in a rigorous family it wasn’t rich I just had my grandfather, and my father, my father passed away when I was seven and I just entered sometimes we didn’t have money to buy clothes or.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Something to.

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Pavel Verbnyak: We never traveled before and I often listen from my mom that it’s it’s expensive don’t ask for that don’t do that don’t go there.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And I wanted to discover what’s the difference between successful productive people and others and back in 2005 I started to read biographies autobiographies books on psychology business and.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Marketing and searching for answers I wanted to accelerate and achieve something great in my own life.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And I didn’t have money to buy seminars or coaching or workshops I just found the free information in libraries and for a couple of years I didn’t see the difference, I thought.

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Pavel Verbnyak: it’s it’s it doesn’t work here in my situation in in Russia, for example, or something like that, but in couple of years, when I look back.

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Pavel Verbnyak: I realized wow that works my mindset started to change, and when you develop when you improve your mindset you improve your decisions because you improve your decision you improve your actions and results.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And as you said before Jason very, very nicely that success leaves clues and it’s very important to decide exactly what does success mean to me.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Because we have billions of people on the planet, and we have billions of definitions of success so it’s very important decide exactly what you want.

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Pavel Verbnyak: What kind of values, you have what kind of dreams and goals you have take 100% responsibility for yourself, for your results eliminate.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Criticism criticism eliminate blaming others and negative thoughts and words because we become what we think and what we were what we talk about most of the time.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Because thoughts have our operation, everything has a vibration and, as you mentioned before, fear have low vibration.

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Pavel Verbnyak: But when we grateful when we feel positive when we focus on what we want and how to get this we put the energy there.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And the difference between successful people and others that successful people think most of the time about what they want and how to get this.

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Pavel Verbnyak: and poor and a negative people think about what what they don’t lie so it’s very important control our thoughts and feed feed your mind with positive.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Information be careful what kind of books you read what kind of movies, you watch what kind of songs songs you listen to, because everything has a vibration.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And if you listen songs if you listen words, there are a lot of negative words in that, and when you feel that.

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Pavel Verbnyak: When you even when, for example, I asked my friend who also speaker and trainer and he invited me to his workshop.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And he put the meditation I use meditation for my clients as well, I I practice some I share some tools, but when when he put their.

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Pavel Verbnyak: song after and and and said okay go to meditation to the participant, it was dozens of participants after that I asked to him, please don’t.

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Pavel Verbnyak: don’t do that because when you listen this song, there are a lot of negative words, but when when the DORSAL in this teta mindset that the waves of your brain, you can program negative.

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Pavel Verbnyak: programs in just in that subconscious mind so it’s very important movies words songs so you can come, you can develop that any business skill any any skills are loanable.

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Pavel Verbnyak: It could be time management, it could be goal setting it could be creative mindset or interbrand yours entrepreneurs mindset.

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Pavel Verbnyak: So start from something, step by step it’s the compound effect it doesn’t really matter where you’re coming from it’s very important where you’re going.

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Pavel Verbnyak: So decide exactly what you want, take take 100% responsibility for your results and for your life.

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Pavel Verbnyak: and develop yourself constant and never ending improvement take action to your vision take action to your toward your goals, because goals and dreams coming to us for a reason.

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Pavel Verbnyak: If we have go if you have this dream came came to us, we have all resources we need to achieve that goal and don’t hesitate don’t afraid to ask for help to ask for recommendations Jason the law of attraction work all the time.

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Pavel Verbnyak: So I found your profile on linkedin I decided or I this nothing to lose if I say if I sent a message to Jason and invite him for zoom conversation, and you said yes, why not, but dozens of people before you Jason said no, and it’s okay someone will say no.

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Jason Mefford: How can anybody say no to you.

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Pavel Verbnyak: it’s okay it’s okay Jason.

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Pavel Verbnyak: But someone it doesn’t really matter what you ask for you ask for help you asked to buy your product or service.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Someone will say no i’m not ready, I don’t want to help you i’m not i’m not going to become your mentor I don’t want to become your client.

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Pavel Verbnyak: But it’s okay next next next, and you find your perfect client you find your perfect mentor you find friend for life or partner or that’s that’s how we met each other Jason.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And I want to inspire our for our followers listeners and viewers.

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Pavel Verbnyak: That take action, take action, and you can create a masterpiece from your life.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and that’s why it’s it’s a.

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Jason Mefford: there’s a lot right there that we need to go and unpack okay so we’re gonna we’re going to come back and talk a lot about some of those things that you just mentioned, but I wanted to to.

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Jason Mefford: Go back a little bit and just ask you a few questions because you know the older I get I realized that so many people that are listening.

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Jason Mefford: They don’t have the same life experience that I have they don’t have the same life experience that you have they don’t realize how different the world used to be okay.

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Jason Mefford: And answer where i’m going is you know, again, you said you grew up in northwestern Russia near Finland St Petersburg beautiful place in the world right.

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Jason Mefford: But when you grew up the world was completely different right, I mean when when you and I were born, we would not be having a discussion like this internationally right, we were we were still in the Cold War.

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Jason Mefford: Right and and what’s interesting because you know, I was.

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Jason Mefford: I was actually in Germany on on.

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Jason Mefford: holiday a couple months before the Berlin Wall came down right, and then I lived in Germany for a few years after that there were a lot of Russians that had kind of immigrated before and after the perestroika.

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Jason Mefford: stuff that kind of happened there in the late 80s and early 90s, and so you know, again I grew up in America you grew up in Russia under completely completely different.

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Jason Mefford: scenarios right and so here i’m sure because because I realized this I just talked to somebody a couple weeks ago that was from Poland.

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Jason Mefford: same thing right she grew up she knew what you know Communist Poland was like what it was like afterwards and so that’s a child in Russia.

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Jason Mefford: Right, I mean you, this was like this whole thing that you started reading books about was completely foreign.

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Jason Mefford: To you right, I mean I don’t know how many people i’ve talked to from Russia and the poverty that you went through you know at different times and even.

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Jason Mefford: Even quote unquote after it opened up, it was actually worse for people for for a period of time right so so how did you, you know go from that completely different world to.

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Jason Mefford: Having this desire to really improve yourself to read all the books to do what you could do right because, again, most people would say you know screw it Oh, you know.

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Jason Mefford: And they wouldn’t have done anything What was it that kind of sparked your got us to go down this path because it sounds like you were doing it pretty early in life to.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Thank you Jason yeah you’re right, I was born in 1987 so it was Soviet Union late Soviet Union and 1990s you’re very challenging times before Russia and former Soviet republics.

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Pavel Verbnyak: yeah so and holly how I started, you ask this question Jason probably because I had some feelings inside I have that gut feeling that I can do something with my life.

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Pavel Verbnyak: If I was born in this city i’m it’s not necessary to live here for ever, and I just wanted to find some answers to my questions, how can I improve my situation, how can I earn more money, how can I.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Do something with my personal and professional life and in 1990s in.

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Pavel Verbnyak: It wasn’t easy to talk about money.

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Pavel Verbnyak: You remember that.

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Pavel Verbnyak: That that that.

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Pavel Verbnyak: world and nobody was out into bring your business person, because it was dangerous.

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Pavel Verbnyak: You know, and it, they will they will a lot of limiting beliefs and fears about that on subconscious level because Soviet Union that Russian speaking society had a lot of crisis’s in the 20th century, two world wars.

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Pavel Verbnyak: A lot of.

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Pavel Verbnyak: A lot of situations.

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Jason Mefford: Poverty poverty and famine and everything.

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Pavel Verbnyak: In there as all those world.

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Jason Mefford: Wars to.

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Pavel Verbnyak: darby and and so on, and to my my generation probably is the shores generation that.

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Pavel Verbnyak: weren’t all did you didn’t have don’t don’t have any challenges with food my parents and my grandfather’s had some have had some.

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Pavel Verbnyak: very, very a lot of crisis’s in life, it was this nothing to eat and and to probably you know that and and I wanted to do something with that json and probably first books is that I found and I read a book inspired me to discover more two days so so that sits in my head that.

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Pavel Verbnyak: During the ears started to grow.

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Pavel Verbnyak: So and it’s very important to to support that that sits to to to make them grow and it’s like Chinese Bamboo you don’t see the any results for four years, but on fifth year it grows for.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Several fields several meters so it’s like like like this for personality it’s like building this skyscraper you go deep you build the fundamental things and then you start to uh to to build.

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Pavel Verbnyak: into the sky, and the same with your personality, the same with the results everything starts inside from inside outside So if you want to create better life more successful more happy more healthy, you should become more successful more wealthy inside so.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Constant and never ending improvement that’s, the key to your personal success into your goal achievement, you can you can achieve any goals any goals.

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Pavel Verbnyak: As human is predictable is not an accident, you can learn from failures and successes of of of other people because thousands of people came to this journey before.

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Pavel Verbnyak: So take their knowledge is take their experiences take everything they developed before find the information find the books find the information in Internet you, you can you can create something.

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Pavel Verbnyak: With with their health, so it’s not necessary to create something by yourself, you can you have a great library be behind you, I like to read, I have library here in my room as well.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And that’s that’s their stepping point we can have a great mentors if you want to have a mentor.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Physical, for example, fitness mentor, for example, Arnold Schwarzenegger you can you can you can take the his book and cover conversation with him.

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Pavel Verbnyak: If you want to have a mentor Mother Teresa yes, you can have and have an hour conversation with your or Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela.

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Pavel Verbnyak: or Warren Buffett it doesn’t really matter, but you have all the tools, all the information that can help you and, as you said before ask ask ask ask for what you want, ask for help.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Ask great questions, because when you ask great questions you will you will start to process to find right answers.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And it’s it’s it’s like navigator system in your car if you decide exactly what you want.

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Pavel Verbnyak: For example, you want to double your income for you in a year or improve your relationships with your spouse or improve your health or build your business.

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Pavel Verbnyak: There are thousands of books on these topics are there are a lot of people in linkedin in Facebook, you can ask for zoom call you can ask for what you want well.

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Pavel Verbnyak: ask for what you want, and it doesn’t really matter if they say no, you had no in your pocket ask another person ask another person and it’s the compound effect, you will find dance where.

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Jason Mefford: Well, I think that’s important you know what a lot of what you said there because I wanna I want to kind of.

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Jason Mefford: pause and and.

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Jason Mefford: And kind of you know recap, a little bit of what you said because there’s a lot of really important things there that you just said that people might have glossed over you know, like you said is.

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Jason Mefford: Is you know when when our grandparents were alive, it was a much different world right, I mean my my grandparents grew up in the great depression, so it was kind of.

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Jason Mefford: Some of the equivalent they didn’t have food they were moving around they lost everything you know that that happened here in the early 20th century in America but.

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Jason Mefford: They didn’t have the access to the books, they didn’t have access to podcasts to YouTube to the Internet that we have today right, I mean really.

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Jason Mefford: Late 90s early 2000s That was when the Internet really kind of came out and we have the ability, now, and this is what I think is so beautiful like you said if if you’d like some guidance from Martin Luther King jr.

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Jason Mefford: The dude gave plenty of speeches and wrote enough stuff that you can get inspired by him if you spend time with him.

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Jason Mefford: Yes, even though he’s no longer physically on this planet, you can still spend time with him, you can spend time with Mother Teresa the fact that you’re listening to this podcast means that you’re spending time with us right now.

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Jason Mefford: Right and and and just the amazing opportunity that we have today for all of this information because, like you said you know if if you had been born 100 years before.

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Jason Mefford: You would not have had access to these things that started to plant, the seed in your brain.

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Jason Mefford: And and and that’s where I kind of wanted to go a little bit too because something else that you brought up I hadn’t heard the the analogy of the Chinese Bamboo I didn’t realize it, it took so long until like the fifth year.

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Jason Mefford: But you know I don’t know if you see this from people you work with or not, but especially when it comes to kind of personal development.

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Jason Mefford: I think that Chinese Bamboo or the skyscraper are great analogies because it takes so much time and nurturing at the beginning.

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Jason Mefford: To set the Foundation to start changing yourself internally that, unfortunately, a lot of people give up before they get the Foundation built right they’ll they’ll be really motivated for like two weeks.

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Jason Mefford: Right like like i’m going to get fit i’m gonna go get Arnold schwarzenegger’s book and i’m going to read it and i’m going to i’m going to start pumping iron, you know and and but then two weeks later.

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Jason Mefford: Most people have kind of quit I think right is that is that kind of what you’ve you’ve seen as well.

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Pavel Verbnyak: yeah yes, yes Jason Thank you so much, and you’re right, we are so blessed having these kinds of opportunities to grow to achieve your church to achieve our goals, faster and easier than ever before, and a lot of people take this for granted, but when we are grateful for when we.

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Pavel Verbnyak: When we grateful for we cannot have a fear when we grateful for we attract a lot of situations that are in harmony with our gratitude.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And, and we attract circumstances people and opportunities that are in harmony with our thoughts and our goals, so forming habits takes time and 95% of our life.

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Pavel Verbnyak: controls by our habits so successful people have successful habits unsuccessful people have unsuccessful habits.

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Pavel Verbnyak: I wake up at 5am Jason and I invest first couple of hours in myself.

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Pavel Verbnyak: So it helps me very much it helps to develop my self esteem and self confidence and be productive during the day and be focused on what I want and how to get this.

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Pavel Verbnyak: What do I want during these two hours it doesn’t really matter Jason you can dear friends, who listen to us it, you can invest just five or 10 minutes.

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Pavel Verbnyak: In yourself start with two minutes that with five minutes just do something every single day it’s philosophy called Kaiser.

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Pavel Verbnyak: constant improvement small steps, for example, you can it’s not necessarily to wake up at 5am as I do, for example, if you wake up at 8pm.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Tomorrow wake up at 755 and invest five minutes in yourself do something for yourself, you can read book my motivational positive book.

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Pavel Verbnyak: You can do some physical exercises I do physical exercise it doesn’t really matter what’s the weather outside.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Today today is very snowing in Moscow, but I wake woke up and I went for for the runs running session.

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Pavel Verbnyak: And it’s done cinema it’s raining it’s cold it’s warm it’s hard I go for some exercises, because I do something for my body.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Every single day I do something for my mind intellectually, so I read a book or listen podcast or listen audio book.

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Pavel Verbnyak: But some days I have empty days I don’t listen I don’t read because it’s like an informational diet it’s very important for our mind to relax, because if we eat.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Every single minute it’s not it’s not enough time for for digestion digestion right, and the same with the information.

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Pavel Verbnyak: You have all the answers you have but listen to listen to your heart gut feeling listen to your heart listen listen to your passion inside.

00:24:48.750 –> 00:24:56.550
Pavel Verbnyak: and develop yourself, step by step, so so decide exactly what you want, and, for example, it could be.

00:24:57.360 –> 00:25:11.250
Pavel Verbnyak: One habit that you bring to form during next month, it could be reading books, it could be exercising it could be meditation it could be visualization it could be affirmations just choose something.

00:25:11.850 –> 00:25:27.930
Pavel Verbnyak: There are dozens of books, hundreds of thousands of books on self made millionaires so we know exactly who they are, what they read what they look like what they daily rituals so model them success leaves clues.

00:25:28.110 –> 00:25:45.930
Pavel Verbnyak: As you said before Jason so it’s not an accident it’s not it’s predictable, so you can create a masterpiece from your life, the everything starts here in your mind then take a pen and paper and write down what you want.

00:25:47.010 –> 00:25:57.180
Pavel Verbnyak: write down your dream life write down your life in financial in relationships fear in health and fitness in your habits and javelin.

00:25:57.690 –> 00:26:11.850
Pavel Verbnyak: In everything so imagine bit easier lies that don’t think about how you’re going to do that don’t think about, but you start to attract in your life people books information circumstances.

00:26:12.360 –> 00:26:28.410
Pavel Verbnyak: That are in harmony with your goals and vision, so I write I write down my goals regularly before I did that every single day, every morning Now I do maybe every couple of days, but I reprogram my subconscious mind.

00:26:29.340 –> 00:26:42.510
Pavel Verbnyak: And I take action in that direction and I see that my life getting better and better every single day and i’m becoming better and better as a person every single day.

00:26:42.930 –> 00:26:53.820
Pavel Verbnyak: Because when we provide much more value to people we get we return we get something from from the universe, as we, as we discussed.

00:26:54.180 –> 00:27:06.840
Pavel Verbnyak: Nice quote of our mutual friend and mentor with you Jason before the podcast show started Ziegler said, we can have everything we want, if you help enough people to get what they want.

00:27:07.350 –> 00:27:19.680
Pavel Verbnyak: So provide more value provide more value with your service with your product, and you will you will become financial free, you will become happy healthy wealthy.

00:27:20.460 –> 00:27:30.390
Pavel Verbnyak: and wise so decide exactly who you want to be and take action from where you are and with what you have right now don’t wait for.

00:27:30.960 –> 00:27:40.740
Pavel Verbnyak: The perfect situation it’s never it’s never going to be like that start with with now the power of the present moment the power of now.

00:27:41.130 –> 00:27:58.380
Pavel Verbnyak: Because a lot of people worrying about the past, we don’t have already and a lot of people worrying about the future, we don’t have yet, but what we have it’s now in our life Jason is what this conversation you and me.

00:27:59.010 –> 00:28:01.530
Jason Mefford: huh Well, this is the only thing that’s happening right.

00:28:01.530 –> 00:28:08.880
Jason Mefford: Now right in our world is this is this present and it, you know it’s interesting because, again as as.

00:28:10.020 –> 00:28:15.300
Jason Mefford: As you’re talking right and again folks this is maybe one of those where you want to go back and listen to this again because.

00:28:16.500 –> 00:28:29.010
Jason Mefford: I don’t think you realize how much wisdom and knowledge just got dropped in the last couple of minutes as you were sitting there listening right but let’s let’s let’s take this apart, a little bit too, because a couple of the things that you said, and you mentioned.

00:28:29.730 –> 00:28:33.960
Jason Mefford: kind of the self subconscious reprogramming right, and the fact that.

00:28:34.410 –> 00:28:43.290
Jason Mefford: You know, again, one of the reasons why we’re talking about doing some of these things like reading some of the books and the music that you’re listening to is because.

00:28:44.070 –> 00:28:56.250
Jason Mefford: Whether you realize it or not, everything that you’re consuming mentally yeah is, in my opinion, more important, even than what you’re consuming physically.

00:28:56.820 –> 00:29:11.250
Jason Mefford: You know so many people know hey I need to avoid that kind of food because it’s maybe not good for my body right and so i’ll just take an example of like sugar right we all love sugar I love sugar.

00:29:12.240 –> 00:29:16.200
Jason Mefford: But we know right it wouldn’t be healthy for me.

00:29:17.460 –> 00:29:24.930
Jason Mefford: To just sit around and eat sugar all day my body needs other things right, but mentally.

00:29:25.650 –> 00:29:36.000
Jason Mefford: Right, and this is where, again, maybe just kind of slowing down on your first five minutes, you know that you that you choose to do is what am I actually consuming.

00:29:36.750 –> 00:29:46.740
Jason Mefford: And Should I be consuming something different, because, like you said you know you brought in that the example of your friend, you know where they were doing meditation and then he was playing a song.

00:29:47.430 –> 00:29:56.640
Jason Mefford: And, and again, you know what we put in our minds is how we’re programming ourself from the inside out.

00:29:57.240 –> 00:30:01.950
Jason Mefford: And so the fact that you know they went through this whole meditation that part of it was good.

00:30:02.580 –> 00:30:08.880
Jason Mefford: But then, if they’re feeding themselves some music, maybe from a lyric perspective that’s actually.

00:30:09.540 –> 00:30:16.860
Jason Mefford: You know programming some of those bad things in right, I mean it’s in hey I love rock and roll I love heavy metal.

00:30:17.790 –> 00:30:29.820
Jason Mefford: Some but but there’s certain times when that’s not what I should be listening to right, I need to be balancing what i’m putting into my mind.

00:30:30.450 –> 00:30:40.920
Jason Mefford: And so, a lot of these things that we’re talking about right that helped you to plant, the seeds, those were things you were consciously putting into place right.

00:30:41.610 –> 00:30:49.230
Jason Mefford: Because again there’s there’s all kinds of music there’s books there’s there’s videos you know, so how does, how does somebody kind of decide because.

00:30:49.650 –> 00:30:59.130
Jason Mefford: I think this is one of the it’s it’s a blessing that we have the Internet like we have now, but I think sometimes it’s kind of a curse because.

00:30:59.550 –> 00:31:07.110
Jason Mefford: People feel like they’re just overwhelmed and they don’t know where to go, so how are some ways that people can kind of figure out.

00:31:08.070 –> 00:31:20.040
Jason Mefford: what’s what’s the right content for me to consume or where should I kind of go do you give people kind of advice on how to how to actually figure out what’s best for them yeah yeah.

00:31:20.280 –> 00:31:24.600
Pavel Verbnyak: You said you said very, very, very nicely Jason about.

00:31:26.190 –> 00:31:35.910
Pavel Verbnyak: We are responsible, what kind of information, we put in our mind, and they are always connection with between mind and body mind body connection.

00:31:36.360 –> 00:31:43.890
Pavel Verbnyak: And you should put are like a guardian or keeper that control the information you put in yourself so.

00:31:44.460 –> 00:31:51.660
Pavel Verbnyak: I would suggest that listen to your heart, you know exactly what you like to do and what’s good for you or not not good for you.

00:31:52.320 –> 00:32:05.700
Pavel Verbnyak: And the same with food, the same with books, the same bit of information, the same with people you surround yourself with so Jim RON said that we are something average five.

00:32:05.730 –> 00:32:07.020
Jason Mefford: People we assign people.

00:32:07.470 –> 00:32:28.380
Pavel Verbnyak: yeah we we communicate with So if you think about five people, you have a conversation during the week or day you’re something average your salary income about the same your goals and dreams about the same so just start with something if you’ve never read if you’ve never.

00:32:29.850 –> 00:32:49.740
Pavel Verbnyak: Had a habit of reading start with something read 123 pages every single day, and you will like it your mindset started to change that to change your actions your decisions that to change but choose.

00:32:51.690 –> 00:32:53.820
Pavel Verbnyak: wisely the books.

00:32:54.930 –> 00:33:04.800
Pavel Verbnyak: Read, who is the author a he is good in this, for example, nonfiction book he he he he succeeded in this topic or not.

00:33:05.280 –> 00:33:18.090
Pavel Verbnyak: What kind of his clients talking about here man would you would you like to have him as our role model in something if not probably you should choose something else to read, but.

00:33:19.980 –> 00:33:36.420
Pavel Verbnyak: As we started to discuss some books Jason i’m an author of several books as well, but I would suggest to read, first of all classics of personal development are Napoleon hill think and grow rich.

00:33:39.480 –> 00:33:40.380
Pavel Verbnyak: James silent.

00:33:41.550 –> 00:33:42.660
Jason Mefford: there’s a man think of.

00:33:42.840 –> 00:33:58.860
Pavel Verbnyak: Yes, yes psychic kinda matrix Maxwell malls dreamer on Brian Tracy maximum achievement absolutely my great friend and mentor jack canfield the success principles.

00:34:00.060 –> 00:34:17.970
Pavel Verbnyak: that’s the basic of psychology of success that hundreds of other books of Tony robbins w Clement stone and Ziegler zoomer on and so on, but Stephen covey but start with something read, for example, one book per month.

00:34:18.990 –> 00:34:27.030
Pavel Verbnyak: Imagine you know here, you will have 12 books already right yeah different you become different DORSAL.

00:34:27.720 –> 00:34:39.570
Pavel Verbnyak: You increase your salary you increase your self esteem self confidence you develop yourself, and there are lots of benefits you you start to and.

00:34:40.200 –> 00:34:50.700
Pavel Verbnyak: If it is, if you discover people who live long enough for example centenarian and they read a lot they develop their mindset there they like to.

00:34:51.480 –> 00:35:00.450
Pavel Verbnyak: build develop their neural connections in the brain and that’s the key that’s that’s good for your for your health that’s good for your.

00:35:01.080 –> 00:35:23.400
Pavel Verbnyak: clarity of your mind and and thought process process so that’s that’s the perfect that’s i’m so so so happy that I learned this early enough, but never too late, if you’re 50 if you’re 60 if you 70 start start start with something now start with where you are with with what you have.

00:35:24.420 –> 00:35:30.870
Jason Mefford: Well, I think it’s funny because, as you were talking, you know, and this this happens to me every so often, so I kind of go off the rails a little bit or.

00:35:32.070 –> 00:35:40.860
Jason Mefford: go down rabbit holes but but, as you were talking It reminded me of an experience I had when I was a young young boy.

00:35:41.520 –> 00:35:49.230
Jason Mefford: Is you know I grew up we had we had a dog when I was when I was younger and I remember, we were we were outside.

00:35:49.890 –> 00:35:54.120
Jason Mefford: gardening or doing something I was probably helping my mother plant flowers.

00:35:54.780 –> 00:36:03.540
Jason Mefford: And, and I remember you know, we had a dog, I mean there was dog food bowl you know where it would go to get food that we put out for it.

00:36:04.200 –> 00:36:21.990
Jason Mefford: And I remember, as we were sitting there planning the flowers, I saw our dog go over into the grass and start eating grass and i’m like mom, why is the dog eating grass right and she just goes, you know dogs know what they need.

00:36:23.940 –> 00:36:33.930
Jason Mefford: And, for whatever reason, our dog at that time felt like it needed to go eat a little bit of grass I don’t know, maybe I had an upset stomach or whatever else but.

00:36:34.710 –> 00:36:48.720
Jason Mefford: Animals are usually in touch with their feelings and know what feels right to them yeah as humans, we think we’re so goddamn smart that we’re stuck in our head all the time.

00:36:49.560 –> 00:36:58.050
Jason Mefford: Right and the hardest path is to go from your head to your heart, which is where you actually feel right so so you were talking about that I was, I was thinking you know.

00:36:59.460 –> 00:37:08.130
Jason Mefford: One way for people just to try to figure out what is it that I need to do well ask yourself the question, what do I need.

00:37:08.760 –> 00:37:16.320
Jason Mefford: And then go with a feeling right again maybe if some of these authors that we talked to you, maybe, maybe that’s what jumps out at you.

00:37:16.710 –> 00:37:32.070
Jason Mefford: Maybe there’s you know, a certain kind of music or an artist or something that if you’re just quiet and listen to yourself you’re going to know what’s right for you at the time right, I mean so again like.

00:37:33.210 –> 00:37:36.510
Jason Mefford: I have this knife that I love, I was sharpening my knife on the weekend.

00:37:37.590 –> 00:37:40.230
Jason Mefford: And I was listening to Gregorian chant music.

00:37:42.090 –> 00:37:44.700
Jason Mefford: It you know real macho manly thing of.

00:37:44.700 –> 00:37:49.710
Jason Mefford: sharpen a knife, and here I am listening to monks chant.

00:37:49.890 –> 00:38:02.940
Jason Mefford: right but that’s what I felt like I needed to hear at that time right, so I turned it on So what if we could be more like the animals that way and just kind of feel into it.

00:38:03.450 –> 00:38:14.850
Jason Mefford: And kind of on the flip side you know, is, I know, sometimes people, maybe, maybe you’re feeling like you’re angry all the time I don’t understand why i’m angry all the time.

00:38:16.140 –> 00:38:21.420
Jason Mefford: Well let’s talk about that Jim rowan five five people right you’re the you’re the makeup of the five.

00:38:21.630 –> 00:38:29.040
Jason Mefford: People you hang out with the most ask yourself the question or the people i’m hanging out with are they angry all the time.

00:38:29.880 –> 00:38:47.490
Jason Mefford: Because if they’re angry all the time, or if you’re always you know reading social media posts of people that are angry and complaining about everything and that’s where you go all the time it’s probably not a surprise why you’re angry all the time right.

00:38:47.910 –> 00:38:54.090
Jason Mefford: If you’re listening to angry music all the time you’re probably going to be angry and so, but again, you get to choose.

00:38:54.180 –> 00:38:56.280
Jason Mefford: right on what it is that you’re going to consume.

00:38:56.790 –> 00:39:09.720
Pavel Verbnyak: Yes, yes Jason yo you’re right and it’s very important to invest some time during the day with yourself without podcast without radio without TV Without Internet.

00:39:10.350 –> 00:39:21.450
Pavel Verbnyak: Just be with yourself just 15 minutes or 20 minutes or 30 minutes if you don’t have 15 or 30 minutes for yourself, you don’t have a life so a lot of people.

00:39:22.200 –> 00:39:36.510
Pavel Verbnyak: in a hurry they go somewhere they listen something they but they don’t have this time for themselves, as you said before, ask for what you need ask for what you want, but.

00:39:37.230 –> 00:39:50.640
Pavel Verbnyak: How you’re going to listen, the answer if you’re with someone or with something in your in your hear yours, so it could be just meditation or walking around the park.

00:39:51.120 –> 00:40:01.950
Pavel Verbnyak: Just with yourself a lot of people cannot do that they want something they turn on radio they turn on audio boom they don’t on Lisa.

00:40:02.850 –> 00:40:18.960
Pavel Verbnyak: song some music in the car but it’s very important to be with ourselves, I little bit without anything it’s like our stomach needs to relax need sometimes without food, just to digest the food.

00:40:19.740 –> 00:40:34.620
Pavel Verbnyak: That we already eaten before the same with information, this same with our mind it’s because it’s very energy consuming if we listen every all the time, audio book Oh, I want to learn something I want to.

00:40:35.040 –> 00:40:49.170
Pavel Verbnyak: develop myself, I want to listen interview, I want to listen to podcast but it’s okay if sometimes some days you don’t have you don’t have the information.

00:40:49.920 –> 00:40:57.780
Pavel Verbnyak: There are a lot of retreats there are a lot of vipassana in something, but you can do do your own vipassana for 30 minutes every single day.

00:40:58.200 –> 00:41:09.600
Pavel Verbnyak: And you will love that time you will want to have this morning 30 minutes for yourself or morning or evening time just just be yourself or Jordan early or.

00:41:10.710 –> 00:41:25.260
Pavel Verbnyak: meditating meditation or visualization or something like that just choose that tool, you would love to and just take responsibility to form this habit to spend some time to yourself.

00:41:26.340 –> 00:41:40.980
Jason Mefford: yeah and I think that’s important because what you know from a learning perspective because i’ve spent my whole career pretty much teaching people is that you know there’s a big difference between information and actually learning right and and that.

00:41:42.120 –> 00:41:55.230
Jason Mefford: That just like just like with our food, you know we we consume food, then we have to let it digest and do what it needs to do in our body it’s the same thing mentally we consume.

00:41:55.740 –> 00:42:09.210
Jason Mefford: And because the learning really comes from that time of reflection and integration of the knowledge into what we do and then the actual exercising and practicing of it.

00:42:09.840 –> 00:42:18.780
Jason Mefford: Until you take that time to reflect, and until you actually take time to do something about the information you learn.

00:42:19.590 –> 00:42:32.430
Jason Mefford: You don’t really actually learn it or incorporated so that that downtime is so important in fact there’s a concept that I that I was taught have kind of a call to content fast.

00:42:33.660 –> 00:42:40.050
Jason Mefford: Which is very similar to you know a lot of people are doing intermittent fasting and that’s it ends with eating.

00:42:40.260 –> 00:42:42.600
Jason Mefford: yeah it’s the same kind of an idea.

00:42:43.230 –> 00:42:45.090
Jason Mefford: mentally or you know.

00:42:46.170 –> 00:42:58.140
Jason Mefford: Because you know I think you kind of mentioned there’s a lot of there’s a lot of people that always want to have noise going on, because they’re uncomfortable being with themselves.

00:42:58.200 –> 00:43:15.060
Jason Mefford: Yes, but we have to take that time for ourselves, even if it’s only a couple minutes a day yeah to at least start doing that because that’s, the only way we get from our head to our heart and we start feeling and understanding what it is that we actually yeah.

00:43:15.780 –> 00:43:28.230
Pavel Verbnyak: Absolutely absolutely and just enjoy the process, a lot of people who, who are listening cars are result oriented people they love to set, and it goes there cashier’s.

00:43:28.260 –> 00:43:30.900
Pavel Verbnyak: check yeah but it’s a kid just.

00:43:30.960 –> 00:43:34.860
Pavel Verbnyak: Just to go for a walk and just read the book just.

00:43:36.060 –> 00:43:43.230
Pavel Verbnyak: Just enjoy the process enjoy the life and and it’s very important to do something for yourself.

00:43:44.220 –> 00:43:56.550
Pavel Verbnyak: Before our conversation today, I spent three hours with my chiropractor with my mentor on health and I did something for my body, because I know.

00:43:57.240 –> 00:44:08.820
Pavel Verbnyak: How it’s important to to do something, because as, as I mentioned before we have mind body connection and to have a clear mind to have good health good mood.

00:44:09.390 –> 00:44:21.240
Pavel Verbnyak: I should do something for my for my body for for my physical and into the end emotional state and it’s very important to do something differently.

00:44:22.290 –> 00:44:28.980
Pavel Verbnyak: So go maybe in a different city go for for the trip go for here.

00:44:30.030 –> 00:44:43.380
Pavel Verbnyak: For them in a new restaurant or or in an author or theater or a new restaurant that’s how we create you and your connection that’s we become more creative people.

00:44:43.800 –> 00:44:52.740
Pavel Verbnyak: person and we become more happy person because Aristotle said that the purpose of our life is to become how.

00:44:53.640 –> 00:45:10.560
Pavel Verbnyak: happy and when we are happy when they grow when we develop ourselves, and we getting closer to our goals, and when we provide value to others so develop yourself and provide more value that’s how you become more happy yourself yeah.

00:45:10.770 –> 00:45:11.130
Jason Mefford: It is.

00:45:12.360 –> 00:45:15.240
Jason Mefford: Oh, my my mind, well, we could talk for hours.

00:45:16.590 –> 00:45:32.430
Jason Mefford: But I know we’ve got other stuff we’ve got to get back to, and I know people that are listening have to as well, so maybe maybe any any any final final thoughts from you and also just kind of let people know how you know how they can reach out to you as well.

00:45:33.510 –> 00:45:40.980
Pavel Verbnyak: Jason starts to fall, thank you very much for a great conversation you’re a great person to talk with and I.

00:45:41.190 –> 00:45:44.430
Jason Mefford: Just here listening, I believe we are on the.

00:45:44.430 –> 00:45:46.080
Pavel Verbnyak: same wave.

00:45:46.380 –> 00:45:51.000
Pavel Verbnyak: And this, a lot of mutual values and vision.

00:45:51.390 –> 00:45:51.870

00:45:52.950 –> 00:46:05.310
Pavel Verbnyak: yeah I would say to our friends and followers and listeners that as, as I said before, already so you’re responsible, you are great you are unique person never.

00:46:06.060 –> 00:46:18.090
Pavel Verbnyak: Was the person like you before and never going to be like you, with such values and two goals and talents and so on, so become better than you do yesterday.

00:46:18.690 –> 00:46:27.960
Pavel Verbnyak: Today, do something for yourself do something for yourself to to improve your financial situation, do something for yourself to improve your health.

00:46:28.410 –> 00:46:40.680
Pavel Verbnyak: Do something for yourself to improve your relationships and step by step, the compound effect will bring you to masterpiece something wonderful in your life so.

00:46:41.100 –> 00:46:52.140
Pavel Verbnyak: decide exactly what kind of life, you would love to create and take action to to do that vision asked for help, ask for your knowledge is.

00:46:53.280 –> 00:47:03.150
Pavel Verbnyak: search for the information search for new ways to to achieve that and enjoy the process enjoy what you have right now.

00:47:03.930 –> 00:47:22.050
Pavel Verbnyak: it’s Okay, if you have some challenges if okay if you’ve got some life lessons it’s it’s good for us life happening for us not to us, so I believe everything for a reason, and we are so blessed and i’m very grateful for this conversation Jason.

00:47:23.010 –> 00:47:27.090
Jason Mefford: Well, thank you and yeah I mean again this is there’s there’s a lot of.

00:47:28.170 –> 00:47:34.470
Jason Mefford: You know, help again my friends that are listening, I like to use that term as well is you know.

00:47:34.980 –> 00:47:46.380
Jason Mefford: We showed up today to talk to give you some information, we could have been doing something else, yes, but both of us know how valuable you are, as a person.

00:47:46.830 –> 00:48:00.210
Jason Mefford: Yes, and how much of an impact, you can make in this world right a lot of these people that we talked about Martin Luther King Mother Teresa you know some of these different people.

00:48:01.230 –> 00:48:20.010
Jason Mefford: were just ordinary people that did some extraordinary things now they got to that to that place by taking it one day at a time, improving themselves serving the people around them, and little by little right, just like our Chinese Bamboo.

00:48:20.400 –> 00:48:22.740
Jason Mefford: Just like our skyscraper.

00:48:23.340 –> 00:48:31.230
Jason Mefford: just keep at it, because it’s that consistency, and this is, this is one of the things that i’ve seen, and I know you’ve seen this too is.

00:48:31.920 –> 00:48:41.610
Jason Mefford: you’ll never accomplish everything you think you want to in a given day you won’t accomplish everything in a week.

00:48:42.420 –> 00:48:54.330
Jason Mefford: But after a month after three months after a year you’re going to turn around and you’re going to go holy shit I don’t even recognize, who I am right now.

00:48:55.110 –> 00:49:09.180
Jason Mefford: Because it’s all of these little things I mean it’s our mental well being is just like our physical well being yes and and it’s the little things and the consistency that makes such a such a huge difference so.

00:49:10.350 –> 00:49:24.900
Jason Mefford: My friend, I am so glad that we got to connect and share this time to today together literally half half a world away, but yet how connected, we are as.

00:49:24.930 –> 00:49:25.950
Jason Mefford: to another issue.

00:49:25.950 –> 00:49:44.880
Pavel Verbnyak: Jason Thank you so much for this opportunity to share some ideas, I believe that some seeds, we just planted in someone hands heads can improve their lives lives, and it can accelerate the journey.

00:49:46.440 –> 00:49:55.110
Pavel Verbnyak: Our life is too short to find the answers by our own you can we can we can use the leverage is.

00:49:55.590 –> 00:50:08.220
Pavel Verbnyak: The other people knowledge are the people experience other people time other people money sometimes so use the leverage is to achieve your goals faster and easier.

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Jason Mefford: Well, said well said well everybody listening go out and have a great week just start implementing one thing just take.

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Jason Mefford: One thing that you heard today and do something different today don’t wait until tomorrow.

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Jason Mefford: yeah just do it today, but just do one thing different in every day just kind of keep plugging away at it and eventually you’re going to have exactly the life that you are planning and working towards.

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Pavel Verbnyak: Thank you.

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Jason Mefford: So with that have a great week and we’ll catch you on the next episode of jammin with Jason.