This is a fun #jammingwithjason #podcast episode because I not only get to talk about music (which I love), but I also get to connect with a childhood friend who is an award winning musician, Joseph L. Young.

From just listening to music you enjoy, to playing an instrument, music can provide many psychological benefits such as reducing stress or getting into your “flow” state.

Music provides many outlets that can enrich one’s life. Listen in to learn more about the many positive effects that music can bring to you!

Joseph’s exquisite melodies are brought forth with interweaving interplay between instruments and a sense of deep passion and feeling. His compositions are truly world-fusion music, grounded in the past, created for today’s listeners and reflecting a heart-touching spirituality. The music is often soft and gentle, with light rhythm, perfect for relaxation, healing, slow exercise or touch therapies. But the melodies and arrangements are also designed for active listening and contain developments that reward, engage and entertain upon close study. His songs have been hailed as healing, inspiring and beautifully haunting, transporting the listener on a personal journey to other worlds.

As a versatile and gifted multi-instrumentalist, he combines the ancient with the contemporary to create music which reaches beyond the boundaries typically expected in the new age and world music genres.

One of his goals is to make “music without boundaries” which offers a universal sound that everyone can enjoy. Another of his goals, he says, “is to help people work through their emotions, releasing the negative as they grow and change, and serving as a catalyst to help with their transformation.”

You can see why I love Joseph and his music so much.

Whatever you do, check out Joseph’s music on Apple, Pandora, Spotify, pretty much anywhere you can listen to music and his website: When you do, you will see the power music can have on your emotions, mindfulness, and help you transform you life.

Here’s a sampling of some of Joseph’s music I really enjoy.

Sampling from Joseph’s Ethereum album
Sampling from Joseph’s Every Moment album

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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of jamming with Jason hey today, I am actually talking with a childhood friend and we’re going to be talking about the power of music.

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Jason Mefford: And so i’m going to introduce Joseph l young here to you in just a minute, but I wanted to start off with.

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Jason Mefford: Some information that’s off his website and you’ll see very quickly, why I wanted to talk to him today.

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Jason Mefford: He is not only an award winning musician but he is fabulous at what he does, but I love what he says about his goals.

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Jason Mefford: That he wants to create music without boundaries which offers a universal sound that everyone can enjoy.

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Jason Mefford: And also that he wants to help people work through their emotions releasing the negative as they grow and change and serve as a catalyst.

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Jason Mefford: To help people with their transformation so again everybody who’s been listening, for a long time, you know i’m all about the same things too so i’m excited to have my friend, Joseph young with me and let’s roll that episode.

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Jason Mefford: Alright man.

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Jason Mefford: It is good to be back with you, I think we won’t we won’t embarrass both of ourselves by saying how long ago, since we.

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Jason Mefford: Excuse me, since we first met each other but.

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Joseph Young: boy years.

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Jason Mefford: Just a couple of years right we’ve got it we’ve got a little more Gray hair and a little you’ve still got the same amount of here i’ve got a little less here.

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Jason Mefford: From when we were little, but you know when I when I was thinking about wanting to do an episode about music and I just knew that I needed to talk to you and so.

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Jason Mefford: You know so so let me get to introduce yourself a little bit to people, let people know because you are you’re an award.

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Jason Mefford: winning musician you’ve been around for a long time, you make fabulous stuff and we’ll get into talking a little bit about that too, probably, but just give people a little bit of a background on who you are so they kind of know who we’re talking to today.

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Joseph Young: Okay well Joseph is Jason said i’m currently living in Boise Idaho grew up in Idaho.

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Joseph Young: And i’ve been a musician since I was 12 I guess.

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Joseph Young: I say saxophone was my first instrument, it was first instrument I stuck with I think many of his plate recorder, and like for to her fifth.

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Jason Mefford: grade I remember that yeah.

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Jason Mefford: We were in sixth grade band together.

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Joseph Young: yeah and then I played guitar for a year and I couldn’t I actually had to ask my mother this because I couldn’t remember how I decided to start playing saxophone which it being a main instrument you’d think i’d remember that.

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Joseph Young: And she simply told me that I came home one day and said i’m done with guitar saxophone is my thing.

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Joseph Young: And you know my parents are incredible wonderful and supportive and so they went Okay, they got me a saxophone got me enrolled in band, and that was that part of it was history.

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Joseph Young: I started writing music I got my first keyboard child of the 80s synthesis started writing music okay i’m sorry i’m going to date us a little bit here.

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Joseph Young: Some of my original compositions I figured out I could.

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Joseph Young: write music on my Commodore 128 you can program the chip.

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Joseph Young: And I was fascinated with the game, music and so that was, like some of my early stuff and then I got a real the room my dad had a real real to recorder that I started recording stuff on.

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Joseph Young: And I just started writing music and when you know crazy that was my thing and then later on in my 20s I got into two world flutes.

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Joseph Young: which became a vehicle for me for a lot of my new age instrumental albums most of them are all flute based although there’s saxophone on all of them a little bit, and then I have one entirely new age saxophone album, which is a strange concept for a lot of people but hey.

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Jason Mefford: Well, you know yeah, and I mean you know you think about because yeah you fit into that new age genre.

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Jason Mefford: I think right but, but one of the things that I love about your music too is there’s a lot of different stuff to it right so like you said it might be.

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Jason Mefford: It might be primarily flute or saxophone based but there’s other stuff in there there’s the keyboards there’s there’s words there’s other sounds.

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Jason Mefford: You know there’s there’s other things that go to it to where it’s almost like a.

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Jason Mefford: it’s it’s a bringing together of kind of everything, for me, because it’s it’s almost like you’re you’re listening to a native American flute and then there’s some sounds in there that are almost like.

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Jason Mefford: science fiction spacey kind of stuff that’s that goes in there as well, and i’m sure again that’s that’s all on purpose.

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Jason Mefford: As well as your yes you’re kind of creating the music and doing that, but just love how there’s so many different instruments in sounds with your music as well.

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Joseph Young: So, two of my early influences that I think really shaped my.

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Joseph Young: You know how and why and how I write my music was van jealous and Mannheim steamroller and both of those chip Davis, who is who is Mannheim steamroller.

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Joseph Young: chip Davis and Ben jealous both do exactly you said they use a lot of sounds they use a lot of different things together there’s many layers and early on, I just really got a liking to putting things together, that you don’t always hear together every day.

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Jason Mefford: yeah well and it’s it’s you know I like to listen to your music i’ve been i’ve been doing it, since we kind of.

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Jason Mefford: reconnected on Facebook, a few years ago and saw what you’re actually doing i’ve been listening to some of it in.

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Jason Mefford: And because I know for me music plays an important role in my life, which obviously it does for you, because you do this professionally right, but just the power that music can actually have on us as humans as well right.

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Jason Mefford: So maybe you know kind of talk a little to that if we can about you know how music helps us emotionally, and you talk about you know, trying to help release the negative and transform us how does, how does music actually do that for us.

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Joseph Young: um, I think, for me, I think, for many teenagers I think kids teenagers, especially because you know you have all the hormones things going on junior high high school there’s so much stuff that goes on in your formative years and, and so, whatever the music of the.

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Joseph Young: Time is.

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Joseph Young: Is you know, wherever you grow up in that’s your your music, for the rest of your life and so whatever decade, that is, I think everybody kind of gets married to that, and they have strong emotional reactions to that.

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Joseph Young: And you know, for me, as a musician I don’t know I think artists are sometimes may be more emotional than other people or.

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Joseph Young: Maybe if it’s not that we’re more emotional we’re more in touch with it, and hopefully for good, you know that’s not always the case that can go both ways.

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Joseph Young: But being an artist, you know allows me and other artists to that’s how you know for me it’s how I channel a lot of my emotion is putting it into to music in things.

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Joseph Young: When you first contacted me so it’s like I don’t know a couple weeks ago, maybe I started thinking of just like.

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Joseph Young: kind of like my history of as a musician and things that have happened to me along those basis and and one thing I wanted a quick story.

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Joseph Young: That I wanted to get out there before we get away for that I think it’s just really important that has to do the emotion and music is I was playing at a in a trio, so it was me I was playing native American flute.

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Joseph Young: Two guitars two singers guitarist and singer is playing we’re playing a sure on Carol, which is a beautiful beautiful Christmas Carol and super haunting on a native style flute and it was for a Christmas service, and I think it was Christmas, it was like something leading up to Christmas.

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Joseph Young: But it’s very kind of content mournful piece, and I already kind of knew this, but as a performer it was something that I really took to heart and you never know as a performer who is listening to you.

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Joseph Young: You don’t know who’s in the audience you don’t know what kind of day they have had or where they are in life, and you know, so we did you know did her songs.

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Joseph Young: And then you know went on, with life, and it was about a week later, I got I was working at Cathedral of the Rockies and Boise Idaho at the time, and so I had a box.

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Joseph Young: I was doing sound there and I got a letter in my box and the letter was from somebody who was at the concert that night and they were in a really, really bad place and they talked a little bit about a bit about you know what it was not all of it and it wasn’t really important but.

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Joseph Young: They were in a bad place emotionally there is bad stuff happening there lines, and it was like a four page letter about how I still get emotional about this just talking about it but.

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Joseph Young: Four page letter about how that one song helped them have a better day.

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Joseph Young: that’s powerful to me, and that if I ever doubt what i’m doing and music I think about that because it’s like.

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Joseph Young: If you if you can help somebody and not even know it through your art.

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Joseph Young: that’s just that’s amazing it’s layers me to think about that how I mean that was a powerful musical moment.

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Jason Mefford: Well, it is, and to be able to be a.

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Jason Mefford: To be the Channel, if you will, to help that person with the healing and that’s why it’s it’s you know really everything and that’s that’s one of the reasons why I love music like I do because it.

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Jason Mefford: Is it can help us.

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Jason Mefford: In so many different ways right it’s speaks to us subconsciously in a way that we don’t even realize it brings back some of those you know strong emotions that we have felt at different times right.

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Jason Mefford: Now talked about people being kind of stuck in hey i’m a 70s, or 80s or 90s person right.

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Jason Mefford: that’s why there’s those those stations on sirius xm right.

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Jason Mefford: yep and so people that are child of the 70s, they listened to the 707 on the 70s right.

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Jason Mefford: Because that has so many emotional ties to them that they just love and connect with that use it, but like you said it’s it’s you know, for that that person who was having a tough day.

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Jason Mefford: There was something about that song that pick them and help them work through it right so.

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Jason Mefford: Some music can be for good, it can be for for bad too, if you will, right, I mean it’s, but one thing about music is we we get to choose what we listen to.

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Jason Mefford: So I love it as a tool for helping us to be able to drive to the emotional state, we want to be in as well right and I don’t remember who said it if it was.

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Jason Mefford: It was one of the blues players That said, you know when when you’re feeling sad you play the blues when you’re feeling happy you play the blues right.

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Jason Mefford: there’s just certain music kind of that that it it it just goes along with in and helps you in whatever state you happen to be in at the time.

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Jason Mefford: So yeah it’s great you know, and you know, being able to be a part of that and help people transform you know, like you said there on your website.

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Jason Mefford: Is a great gift that does it makes me emotional as well right it’s like it’s like i’m not a guy that cries but I will tell you when I pick up my guitar and I start playing some songs there’s certain songs that.

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Jason Mefford: I have a hard time playing and singing because I get choked up right so being the performer you know that you are it’s it’s got to be a little difficult to sometimes when you just kind of feel.

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Jason Mefford: feel that coming through to kind of keep your shit together, if you will, while you’re performing as well right.

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Joseph Young: there’s been a couple i’ve been I guess lucky as a performer this isn’t like I can count on I think one hand five fingers in my life, the amount of time is where it was really hard to do that.

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Joseph Young: But i’m kind of an oddball, I think, because, as many performers even early on, have stage fright.

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Jason Mefford: Oh yeah.

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Joseph Young: And for me I got over stage fright in junior high I got over it early and it was kind of it was very odd thing was actually almost.

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Joseph Young: Because I ignored it I had almost like I remember soloing and jazz band, and I was nervous and I stood up and I did my solo and people afterwards.

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Joseph Young: complimented me on a solo said, you know you played really great and i’m like that’s really cool because I have no memory of it at all.

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Joseph Young: And so my way with dealing with that at the time was almost like an out of body experience, where I stood up and did the solo and then a part of me was kind of watching myself do that.

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Joseph Young: And, whatever that process was by the time I got in high school, I really just performance became a thing that I just really loved to do, and I can be feeling really awful and, for me, I have some sort of switch that gets flipped.

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Joseph Young: So not very long into it usually less than half a song.

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Joseph Young: it’s kind of like a different reality for me when i’m onstage.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you to is because.

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Jason Mefford: Exactly what you’re just sharing.

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Jason Mefford: Right is something that can be applied to people, even if they aren’t musicians right but, in whatever they’re doing because again when you.

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Jason Mefford: You know, some people, you might have heard about flow state right some people talk about flow state.

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Jason Mefford: As being kind of that that phenomenon that happens where you just get into it and you are just performing right and and I know people have stage fright people are afraid of speaking in public.

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Jason Mefford: In fact it’s people are more afraid of depth in depth, which i’ve never been able to your state they’re not gonna kill you on the stage but.

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Joseph Young: i’ve always been okay with playing music but i’ve never been comfortable talking in public.

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Joseph Young: that’s okay talking has been but but as long as long as an instrument to hide behind i’m okay.

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Jason Mefford: You got this little tiny Sachs or float and you think like your debt.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s but it’s you know, I wonder, with that too right because you bring up about the stage fright to where I don’t know if this is what happens to you as well, but when I.

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Jason Mefford: When I see people get in that stage fright type of a situation and again it’s not necessarily if they’re if they have to you know speak in a meeting or.

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Jason Mefford: You know, do something that they’re scared of doing it seems like most people get stuck in their head at that point, try to overthink they get into fear they’re all my gosh what are they going to think.

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Jason Mefford: It seems like that’s why people have the stage fright where you’re like you said you got over it, and junior high.

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Jason Mefford: hey i’m just gonna you know pick up my instrument and i’m going to play i’m not going to think about it yeah i’m just going to play and I, and I think that’s that’s another thing because you know you can play music mechanically.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s different than if you’re just playing it from that flow state and you get in the zone, or whatever you want to call it right.

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Joseph Young: yeah yep.

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Jason Mefford: So as a musician, how do you kind of prepare yourself, or what do you do to get into that state because that’s when we’re performing at a higher level.

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Jason Mefford: Usually right instead of because it’s like me I can’t dance so it’s like if I if I try to dance it’s like you know what.

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Jason Mefford: Like the line dances and i’m trying to count and I just can’t do it and it’s like screw it right, but if I just let my body go and not have to worry about a former structure.

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Jason Mefford: Then I can do it so i’m guessing it’s the same way again for you as a musician and what things do you do, and maybe what people can learn for how to apply this and other parts of their life when they feel like that clunky person that can dance and just let it go and be.

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Joseph Young: yeah um.

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Joseph Young: I think our conscious brain is one of our best slash worst friends.

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Joseph Young: And it’s our worst friend because that’s usually are that conscious part of us that the the nagging voice, so to say, is what gets us.

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Joseph Young: and causes us to feel clunky in trip up and for me whether it’s performing on stage, or we that we talked a little bit about before we started our you know recording here Kung fu some analogies that’ll.

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Joseph Young: Get back to.

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Joseph Young: You no matter what you’re doing it’s kind of like whatever you do well.

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Joseph Young: That that one thing everybody’s good at something.

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Joseph Young: With luck, maybe that’s in our career, maybe it’s not in our career, maybe it’s a hobby that we have that we’re really good at, but those things that we’re really good at, and the reason why we get into flow states which I hadn’t heard before I like that term i’m gonna steal that.

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Jason Mefford: Well yeah there’s.

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Jason Mefford: there’s a whole bunch of research actually and what they call a flow state and how you actually get into it, because it’s supposed to i’m going to geek out here again but it’s supposedly actually higher brainwave activity, then beta.

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Jason Mefford: yeah, but the problem is, you get.

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Jason Mefford: You get to those gamma waves by going back to alpha theta and somehow you jump over beta completely.

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Jason Mefford: which I don’t totally understand but that’s kind of.

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Jason Mefford: how it works right so settle yourself down the mindfulness you get in the zone but your brainwave activity is going like super light speed.

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Jason Mefford: yeah on the gamma wavelength.

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Joseph Young: cool i’ll have to check that out.

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Jason Mefford: anyway.

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Jason Mefford: that’s that’s what I do for fun.

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Joseph Young: I like it.

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Joseph Young: But anyway, that I think what for me, and I think, for many, and I was going to use the word professionals but it’s not limited to professionals is a limit to like I was saying to whatever anybody is if you’re good at something.

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Joseph Young: it’s where you don’t have to think about what you’re doing it’s like when i’m teaching.

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Joseph Young: A flute student native style flutes didn’t the first time, and I can get anybody going on a native style flute in 10 minutes, one of the hardest things is where do you put your fingers.

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Joseph Young: And it’s a coordination thing, and it has nothing to do with music, it has to do with coordinating your fingers and it’s muscle memory and so.

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Joseph Young: is just like going to the gym if if you practice anything, and I think there’s been studies done on this I couldn’t tell you what what what they are, but I know there’s been studies done.

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Joseph Young: anything.

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Joseph Young: repetitive quality repetitions over a six week period that it’s almost a physical impossibility for you not to get better at whatever that thing is, I mean barring outside you know issues.

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Joseph Young: In a normal circumstance it’s almost physically impossible not to get better, whatever that is that you’re doing.

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Joseph Young: And so, a lot of it, to some extent it’s just physical preparation and if you’ve if you’ve done the physical preparation and it’s, not even a brain thing almost it is, but it isn’t.

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Joseph Young: So if you’ve done the physical preparation, then the body can take over when your conscious brain gets in the way.

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Joseph Young: The subconscious kind of takes over and does its thing consciously you might be freaking out, but if you’ve done the preparation your subconscious goes I got this.

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Joseph Young: Take a take a walk why.

00:21:50.790 –> 00:21:52.860
Joseph Young: You know, while I make this basket.

00:21:54.210 –> 00:22:00.390
Joseph Young: speech, while I play this piece of music wall I do this gymnastics routine.

00:22:01.590 –> 00:22:04.860
Joseph Young: It was, I think it i’m firm believer it works on all of that.

00:22:05.730 –> 00:22:12.000
Jason Mefford: Well, it does because there’s I mean like you said you know gymnast or other professional athletes they use the same the same kind of techniques.

00:22:12.000 –> 00:22:16.350
Jason Mefford: Right is is to try to get into that State where they don’t have to think.

00:22:16.920 –> 00:22:30.150
Jason Mefford: they’ve actually subconsciously reprogram their brain at the subconscious level, so they can say you know what conscious ego state I don’t need you right for the next hour come get me when i’m done with my set.

00:22:30.480 –> 00:22:31.920
Jason Mefford: know or whatever right.

00:22:32.580 –> 00:22:38.310
Jason Mefford: And, and it is, but it comes from, like you said that that repetition that’s why again as you’re teaching students.

00:22:38.910 –> 00:22:51.750
Jason Mefford: How to play something like the native American flute you’re just trying to get them again that repetition that muscle memory of just teaching, you know again it’s it’s i’m gonna have to i’m gonna have to get a lesson from you, at some point.

00:22:51.780 –> 00:22:55.380
Jason Mefford: out actually actually get one, so I can start playing on that too, because.

00:22:55.860 –> 00:23:05.250
Jason Mefford: i’ve started playing a drum that we were talking about before and it’s the same thing it’s like once you start learning certain patterns, then you just kind of let it go and see where it goes to.

00:23:05.250 –> 00:23:05.520
Joseph Young: him.

00:23:05.910 –> 00:23:17.880
Jason Mefford: And I guess, and like you said it’s the same thing with the flu right it’s like you don’t have to worry about about the notes or reading music you just go with where you feel like you’re going.

00:23:18.420 –> 00:23:31.260
Joseph Young: yeah and and ultimately that’s one of the highest levels of doing anything is when you can, whatever the task is that you’re you have to do.

00:23:32.040 –> 00:23:54.600
Joseph Young: If you can do that on automatic and you’ve done it so many times you’ve done your preparation that it frees your brain to think about improv ng and not just improv and but it’s like beyond in province, because it frees your brain, for one, you can pay attention so it’s like a good.

00:23:55.710 –> 00:24:02.400
Joseph Young: A good performer and I will include speakers, you know if you’re speaking to a crowd and those their performers.

00:24:04.020 –> 00:24:14.580
Joseph Young: Is if you’re stuck in your head and you’re thinking about Oh, I hope I don’t screw this up, or what do I do next you’ll never get outside of your own little bubble.

00:24:15.930 –> 00:24:25.350
Joseph Young: But if all of that is blown away you’ve done your your preparation and you can connect with your audience if you can like look at you know.

00:24:26.130 –> 00:24:41.580
Joseph Young: Get eye contact with the person in the front row in the background, here and there, that’s where you drop people in that’s where you make people feel like they’re part of the experience that you’re you know just acknowledging that they’re there with you.

00:24:43.230 –> 00:24:54.660
Joseph Young: And that works as a performer that works is is talking to people, but then also so there’s like so many different brain pathways that open up when you don’t have that.

00:24:55.050 –> 00:25:01.110
Joseph Young: Part of it is, I was thinking he’s driving for his fear because we’re afraid to screw up we’re all afraid to screw up that’s like the worst thing.

00:25:02.730 –> 00:25:08.310
Joseph Young: And so i’m i’m i’m prone to going on tangents So if you need to get me back on it.

00:25:08.370 –> 00:25:09.930
Jason Mefford: I do the same thing.

00:25:13.410 –> 00:25:19.950
Joseph Young: i’m going to circle back around here in a second my Kung fu instructor calls it, investing and loss.

00:25:21.030 –> 00:25:21.660
Joseph Young: So.

00:25:21.990 –> 00:25:39.060
Joseph Young: One thing I learned about when you’re sparring somebody and you know you’re sparring somebody in class it’s not if you’re going to get hit it’s when you’re going to get hit, you will get hit and you’ll get hit often if if you Spar a lot.

00:25:40.140 –> 00:25:49.080
Joseph Young: And you at some point you just have to tell yourself that’s Okay, because you’ve put yourself in a safe environment.

00:25:49.470 –> 00:25:59.460
Joseph Young: Which is like the biggest thing if you put yourself in a safe environment that you know, no matter what you’re doing that lets you push your boundaries, a little bit need to get outside your box so.

00:25:59.820 –> 00:26:15.510
Joseph Young: You know that maybe it’s a little bit of a competition with this other person, but they’re not going to kill you, you know, so the very first time I got the wind knocked out of myself sparring it was a shock, it was like, and it was kind of scary.

00:26:16.620 –> 00:26:19.410
Joseph Young: But then the second time it happened.

00:26:20.610 –> 00:26:31.500
Joseph Young: It was like Oh, it was such a totally different experience the second time it happened because I had experienced at once, and so that failure.

00:26:31.950 –> 00:26:43.260
Joseph Young: taught me a huge lesson and I guess the biggest thing is, if you can learn from every failure it’s not a failure it’s a it’s an opportunity to to learn it’s an investing in Los.

00:26:43.620 –> 00:27:00.030
Joseph Young: And it’s kind of changing the way you look at it in your brain So if I make a mistake on stage performers for first rule is you never acknowledge the fact that you made a mistake, because as soon as you do, as soon as your your.

00:27:01.410 –> 00:27:12.030
Joseph Young: Your face or your body tells the audience that you made a mistake now they know you’ve just told them if you don’t tell them most of them won’t ever know.

00:27:13.050 –> 00:27:14.550
Jason Mefford: Oh, you were just improvising right.

00:27:14.580 –> 00:27:14.970

00:27:17.700 –> 00:27:21.330
Jason Mefford: cuz it’s just like you know actually a friend of mine, we were talking about.

00:27:22.200 –> 00:27:33.990
Jason Mefford: studio made music versus live music, you know as well to where it’s like sometimes people want to show up at a live venue and they expect to hear the studio version.

00:27:34.290 –> 00:27:34.620
Joseph Young: mm hmm.

00:27:34.890 –> 00:27:41.970
Jason Mefford: You can’t recreate the studio and live it just you don’t have the loop back tracks you don’t have you just can’t do it.

00:27:41.970 –> 00:27:42.960
Jason Mefford: Right yeah so.

00:27:43.470 –> 00:27:53.430
Jason Mefford: So there’s always some improvisation improvisation that kind of goes along with it, but but I love what you said to write it’s like the first time you got hit.

00:27:54.180 –> 00:28:06.690
Jason Mefford: And knock down and Kung fu it’s like okay well the second time not anywhere nearly as bad because that fear had gone down and you’ve already experienced at once.

00:28:07.200 –> 00:28:17.250
Jason Mefford: You know what it’s like the next time it’s easier, the next time after that it’s easier, you know I think that’s the way it is with with everything there’s really no failure there’s only feedback.

00:28:17.430 –> 00:28:24.480
Jason Mefford: yeah of the things I like to say right, yes, is it’s investing in loss I think right it’s what your what your teacher was telling you.

00:28:24.960 –> 00:28:38.070
Jason Mefford: And it’s Okay, because at the end of the day, we’re not gonna as long as you’re in a safe place like you said we’re not going to die what’s the worst that might happen, I don’t know people might laugh a little bit, but then we get over it, and we move on.

00:28:38.160 –> 00:28:40.260
Jason Mefford: yeah and no.

00:28:40.380 –> 00:28:40.650
Joseph Young: I.

00:28:41.250 –> 00:28:51.810
Jason Mefford: Was gonna say because a lot of times what’s interesting is some of the some of the mistakes have become some of the biggest inventions or transformations.

00:28:51.900 –> 00:28:52.680
Jason Mefford: You know, things like.

00:28:52.710 –> 00:29:01.410
Jason Mefford: posted notes, and I mean the list is on and on and on and on about all these things that people thought Oh well, it didn’t do what we thought it was going to do we failed.

00:29:02.070 –> 00:29:12.480
Jason Mefford: But when they flipped it around it wasn’t a failure at all, it was actually you know think Edison said something like I did I didn’t I learned 10,000 ways, not to make the light.

00:29:12.480 –> 00:29:13.920
Joseph Young: bulb oh yes that’s.

00:29:15.000 –> 00:29:15.690
Jason Mefford: Right.

00:29:15.750 –> 00:29:16.170

00:29:18.000 –> 00:29:21.420
Joseph Young: Oh, and I also think, excuse me um.

00:29:23.340 –> 00:29:34.920
Joseph Young: I am a I am a firm believer to that that all of those experiences, the more you can seek those types of things out that that’s going to push your buttons and make you grow.

00:29:36.180 –> 00:29:43.350
Joseph Young: Whether you know the art or inventing things or whatever it can really.

00:29:44.400 –> 00:29:53.280
Joseph Young: If you have those failures and you allow yourself to learn from them if you ever do get in a situation that’s not safe.

00:29:53.700 –> 00:30:02.640
Joseph Young: In whatever fashion and that it’s going to happen to everybody, at some point, because that’s just part of life that you end up in you know not safe spaces.

00:30:03.480 –> 00:30:20.490
Joseph Young: whatever that means you know, to you, and when you get to those places that you are much that you don’t panic that you have a clear head that you’re much more able to analyze the situation and navigate it better having a.

00:30:21.390 –> 00:30:28.170
Joseph Young: variance that that other stuff I wish I could remember the name my father’s a helicopter pilot.

00:30:29.310 –> 00:30:39.240
Joseph Young: And over the course of his flying years took some various psychology courses and I can’t remember the name of the psychologist but.

00:30:40.440 –> 00:30:51.180
Joseph Young: There was a study done in in it’s how people how people react to different situations and people react exactly how they were taught to react.

00:30:52.620 –> 00:31:01.620
Joseph Young: And this is, I always remember this one, because it was tragic, but it is such a a to me it was like it reminds me and points out.

00:31:02.580 –> 00:31:18.690
Joseph Young: I will react, I was taught to react, whether it be onstage or driving my car whatever, and that was it seems like was in the 70s, there was an officer that was killed in a gunfight with bad guys.

00:31:19.650 –> 00:31:30.720
Joseph Young: And at the time the rule at whatever the whatever the the police station, he was at I don’t know if this was nationwide or just is you know precinct or whatever.

00:31:31.200 –> 00:31:39.690
Joseph Young: That when they went to do target practice, they would you know shoot the target and then they police the brass they would you know they were this was.

00:31:40.620 –> 00:31:49.740
Joseph Young: A revolver at the time, and so they would shoot their target and then they would pick up their bras before they reloaded in shot their target.

00:31:50.640 –> 00:31:59.100
Joseph Young: And so what did they find and this dead officers front pocket is pleased brass yeah.

00:31:59.700 –> 00:32:08.310
Joseph Young: So, in a situation that was life or death he reverted to his training and when he should have been reloading and you know.

00:32:08.790 –> 00:32:21.360
Joseph Young: firing back, he was picking up you know so that’s like you know that that’s that’s an awful awful thing but man that can apply to so many areas in life as far as training goes.

00:32:21.570 –> 00:32:30.930
Jason Mefford: Well, it is and that’s that’s why the you know, like we were talking about this muscle memory, the stuff that you’re doing why why you practice, you know I mean it’s the same thing if anybody.

00:32:31.350 –> 00:32:36.990
Jason Mefford: is listening and plays music you got to practice right you don’t just pick it up and not be able to do it because you have to.

00:32:37.410 –> 00:32:45.930
Jason Mefford: You have to develop these skills and get the muscle memory going but yeah it’s it’s the same thing you know that’s why on airplanes you listen to the same safety stuff.

00:32:46.140 –> 00:32:47.040
Jason Mefford: Every time right.

00:32:47.490 –> 00:33:02.460
Jason Mefford: And even though we’re not actively listening to it we’ve learned it we’ve practice it and that’s why, when issues happen, you know, everybody just follows a protocol and things work, the way that it’s supposed to because that’s what we’ve practiced.

00:33:02.580 –> 00:33:03.030
Joseph Young: ya know.

00:33:03.300 –> 00:33:03.780
Jason Mefford: as well.

00:33:04.110 –> 00:33:04.290
Joseph Young: yeah.

00:33:04.320 –> 00:33:22.830
Jason Mefford: And that’s and that’s why I love using music as a way to help me practice to, not just in playing, but in in getting in certain emotional states and being smart about using music to help me feel, what I want to feel right.

00:33:23.220 –> 00:33:32.730
Jason Mefford: Because again i’m i’m guessing if if you’re like most musicians you don’t just listen to your music and you don’t just listen to your genre of music that you play right you.

00:33:33.090 –> 00:33:40.350
Jason Mefford: Know like you’re getting I mean it’s obvious from your music you’re getting inspiration from lots of different places.

00:33:40.620 –> 00:33:42.570
Jason Mefford: American at your own yeah.

00:33:43.350 –> 00:33:47.310
Jason Mefford: And that’s that’s really kind of another life lesson for us as well too and.

00:33:47.880 –> 00:33:50.100
Joseph Young: yeah oh yeah I, and I think that’s.

00:33:51.450 –> 00:33:58.410
Joseph Young: The early composers, that I listened to that really inspired me were composers that.

00:33:59.430 –> 00:34:13.020
Joseph Young: Had a wide palette of instruments to draw from and they were composers, that would take a Chinese air who, which is a one string violin that’s kind of like.

00:34:13.290 –> 00:34:14.010
Jason Mefford: Oh that’s.

00:34:14.070 –> 00:34:15.900
Joseph Young: that’s what I scored in the.

00:34:16.410 –> 00:34:18.420
Joseph Young: Stick and then one string that comes down.

00:34:19.500 –> 00:34:30.180
Joseph Young: would take something as exotic as an air who, and you know, put it with a violin or saxophone or something.

00:34:31.350 –> 00:34:38.280
Joseph Young: And so that always inspired me here to hearing those different things that made me want to do things like do.

00:34:38.610 –> 00:34:48.450
Joseph Young: write songs with penny whistles and saxophone and native American flute and saxophone because you don’t hear that it’s not that it’s never been done, but it hasn’t been done much.

00:34:50.430 –> 00:34:58.890
Jason Mefford: Well, and that’s one of the things that like I said I appreciate about your music, he is in really it’s a lesson for all of us right is we’re all creators.

00:34:59.430 –> 00:35:18.240
Jason Mefford: So create and do stuff that’s different and new, you know as well kind of drawing from all of these different different places, because again like you said, sometimes you wouldn’t think of it together, but when you put it together it’s actually very beautiful.

00:35:18.600 –> 00:35:18.930

00:35:21.210 –> 00:35:36.090
Joseph Young: I had an A an experience that a concert one time, I was giving I was in think I was in Seattle, and I have a good friend, that is one of the devil everybody I hope has one of those friends that.

00:35:36.630 –> 00:35:49.740
Joseph Young: doesn’t pull any punches and whether it’s uncomfortable or not, they will tell you the truth, but they do it in a way that it’s like there’s no meanness behind it, so if it’s like something that’s hard to hear.

00:35:50.490 –> 00:35:59.220
Joseph Young: There there’s not like ill intent and then so it was one of those friends that was just always like whenever I see him.

00:36:00.600 –> 00:36:14.550
Joseph Young: You know hearing how he analyzes things is is always interesting anyway, I had a playing a partner that was traveling with me and we were doing a flute with saxophone and native style flute.

00:36:15.630 –> 00:36:34.980
Joseph Young: And there’s a lot let’s see how to approach this delicately that there’s there’s a lot of people in the world who if they’re into native style flute that they really, really like it as a solo instrument and they don’t like most of what I do.

00:36:36.420 –> 00:36:48.000
Joseph Young: combining it with all these other instruments and so seeing a native style flute with a saxophone with his word this concert and, eventually, he was sitting behind this couple.

00:36:48.780 –> 00:37:01.590
Joseph Young: And when we started playing this he said I he side is this person do this and kind of you know, like they were like they were setting themselves up not to like it they’re just like Oh, this is gonna.

00:37:02.430 –> 00:37:10.650
Joseph Young: You know not go well, and so he watched them throughout the rest of the performance and he said about halfway through the song.

00:37:11.010 –> 00:37:25.410
Joseph Young: They have relax their arms and then we’re kind of bobbing their head a little bit and it’s like we got a they liked it because it is a really beautiful combination, but they kind of had this you know, I guess, they were like oh no this is going to suck.

00:37:26.670 –> 00:37:27.150
Joseph Young: So.

00:37:28.200 –> 00:37:31.230
Jason Mefford: Oh, another good life lesson for a see right to give things a chance.

00:37:31.290 –> 00:37:33.720
Jason Mefford: yeah because because again it’s it’s the.

00:37:35.100 –> 00:37:38.400
Jason Mefford: You know, for closed off and we’re not open to that expansion.

00:37:39.540 –> 00:37:51.420
Jason Mefford: Of the other stuff coming in, so now, this has been it’s been great I know I said I could sit and talk for like two or three hours but i’m not Joe rogan I don’t think people hold on that long.

00:37:51.900 –> 00:37:59.340
Jason Mefford: But no, this has been fabulous has been great to reconnect with you and just kind of you know, talk through some of this stuff because, again I.

00:37:59.820 –> 00:38:09.360
Jason Mefford: I wanted to hear it from musicians perspective as well and kind of explain some of those things that that I see your i’ve experienced a little bit too, but that has.

00:38:09.810 –> 00:38:17.220
Jason Mefford: Broader applicability to more than just music as well you know because, like we said, I mean a lot of these things we’ve been talking about.

00:38:17.700 –> 00:38:26.310
Jason Mefford: They apply whether you’re you know given those not, not even a speech, but you know you have to talk at the next department meeting or whatever it might be.

00:38:27.240 –> 00:38:41.670
Jason Mefford: Where you’re having to put yourself out there and doing those things to get the muscle memory, you know, realizing investing in the loss and realizing that feedback is not scary there’s nothing to fear from it it’s actually how we learn.

00:38:41.910 –> 00:38:42.510
Joseph Young: that’s how.

00:38:42.990 –> 00:38:45.510
Jason Mefford: You know, we only learn by making mistakes.

00:38:45.660 –> 00:39:04.140
Joseph Young: yeah and if you did your preparation so well that you can read the room and if halfway through whatever it is that you’re doing whether it’s talking to the marketing people or a new client or a concert, you can read the room and the temperature is different than you thought it was.

00:39:05.880 –> 00:39:14.940
Joseph Young: Then, if you’ve done the prep That gives you the ability to not panic and think you know think more clearly and change direction.

00:39:16.080 –> 00:39:20.430
Joseph Young: You know, play a different note, play a different style use a different word age.

00:39:22.140 –> 00:39:25.410
Joseph Young: If I could, if I could talk nearly as well as I can play.

00:39:27.810 –> 00:39:29.460
Joseph Young: I could go into Oration I think.

00:39:30.570 –> 00:39:35.550
Jason Mefford: Well, because that’s where, again, I mean life is is improvisation right.

00:39:35.580 –> 00:39:36.750
Joseph Young: i’m improvisation.

00:39:37.080 –> 00:39:39.570
Jason Mefford: It is, it is, I mean and that’s why it’s.

00:39:40.890 –> 00:39:55.890
Jason Mefford: You know, we just got to be be comfortable and let go and get into that flow and just realize everything has always been Okay, everything is okay now everything is going to be okay, in the future, just relax right.

00:39:56.190 –> 00:40:07.680
Jason Mefford: Now, if you if you’ve been prepared because it kicks I know I hear that, from a lot of people it’s like well don’t you need to prepare more it’s like i’ve been preparing my whole life for it, why do I need to keep doing a little bit more, we just go on right.

00:40:07.860 –> 00:40:08.520
Joseph Young: yeah yeah.

00:40:09.300 –> 00:40:14.910
Jason Mefford: You know, is is kind of the way the LIFE ends up working for us so.

00:40:15.570 –> 00:40:16.260
Jason Mefford: Great stuff.

00:40:16.560 –> 00:40:29.760
Joseph Young: I think people sometimes to they look at somebody who pull off a presentation and it went really easy and they’re like man, how did that person do that and the last them it’s like how long did you prep for that.

00:40:30.360 –> 00:40:48.630
Joseph Young: And maybe the answer is an hour, maybe it’s three hours, but the real answer is you already said it they’ve been prepping for that their whole life and it’s like, whatever your life experience factors into that prep time and I think a lot of people don’t necessarily consider that.

00:40:49.710 –> 00:41:01.410
Jason Mefford: Well, they don’t it’s it was a you know, because when you look at, I think it, I think it was Itzhak perlman who who gave this know another pretty famous musician right.

00:41:02.040 –> 00:41:09.630
Jason Mefford: And, and I think it was after a concert that he had done, it must have been a smaller concert or something, because people were were talking to.

00:41:10.050 –> 00:41:18.630
Jason Mefford: A lady came up to him and said something like Oh, you know, Mr problem, and I would I would give my life to be able to play, like you, and he said.

00:41:19.560 –> 00:41:31.980
Jason Mefford: ma’am I have given my life to play like this, I mean that’s one of those guys I think he he practices something like eight or 10 hours every single day right so.

00:41:32.550 –> 00:41:46.470
Jason Mefford: that’s that’s why he has done it because he’s done the work every day and so it’s it’s easy for him that’s that’s why it is why why why he does what he does, and really The same can be true for any of us because again.

00:41:47.760 –> 00:41:50.400
Jason Mefford: i’m not a great sax player I can’t even make it play.

00:41:52.230 –> 00:41:57.330
Jason Mefford: I can do some other things, but what you brought up, which I thought it’s a great way to probably kind of and for us is.

00:41:58.620 –> 00:42:02.280
Jason Mefford: Everybody is good at something.

00:42:03.420 –> 00:42:11.490
Jason Mefford: Right, we all have some gifts we’re all really good at some things and whatever it is that we’re really good at.

00:42:11.820 –> 00:42:12.960
Joseph Young: And about.

00:42:13.080 –> 00:42:24.420
Jason Mefford: and passionate about that’s where we can really kind of jump in and honestly make make changes to the world right that’s why you’re doing what you do that’s why I do what I do they’re different things.

00:42:25.050 –> 00:42:34.230
Jason Mefford: But there’s you know we both have that passion and that reason for doing what we’re doing, which you know, deep down we’re trying to help change the world and make it better for everybody right.

00:42:35.880 –> 00:42:43.740
Jason Mefford: So well Joe Thank you and you know again everybody who’s listening go out listen to his music, you can find it.

00:42:44.250 –> 00:42:58.200
Jason Mefford: think a lot of places I know I I use apple so I get my stuff from there, but also your website’s Joseph l yep so you can go out and see there you know what what are any other places for people to kind of go.

00:42:58.650 –> 00:43:00.990
Joseph Young: Pandora spotify.

00:43:02.100 –> 00:43:16.560
Joseph Young: Amazon, and this seems like overdone sometimes but for for anybody who’s a musician or an artist or YouTube people whatever giving a thumbs up or a like.

00:43:17.340 –> 00:43:34.740
Joseph Young: helps the algorithms that helps us tremendously when people do that so not just adding it to your playlist but you know give it the thumbs up and or if you’re really like it sharing it with people is is huge, too, so not just me, but any artist or jason’s podcasts like it share it.

00:43:36.180 –> 00:43:38.640
Jason Mefford: Well yeah because that’s why we’re all creators.

00:43:38.730 –> 00:43:40.530
Jason Mefford: yeah and so again it’s like.

00:43:40.980 –> 00:43:46.200
Jason Mefford: Anything that we’re creating are doing man, it feels nice people like it and share it, you know.

00:43:47.340 –> 00:43:57.690
Jason Mefford: So yeah i’ve never even thought about that, so I gotta go out to apple now and make sure that i’m liking liking your stuff for doing what I can to try to help the algorithms for my site, too, because I do like it.

00:43:58.080 –> 00:43:58.830
Joseph Young: yeah and.

00:43:59.100 –> 00:44:00.990
Jason Mefford: it’s helped me helped me a lot too so.

00:44:01.350 –> 00:44:04.800
Joseph Young: Wonderful here Thank you so much for having me on this has been fun.

00:44:05.100 –> 00:44:07.470
Jason Mefford: Well, thank you, thank you, I really appreciate it.

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