What if you had a crystal ball that could help predict what is coming in 2020? Would it make your life or business easier to plan for and navigate? Of course it would.

We are joined again by our favorite full service oracle / astrologer, Jeanne Mozier to give us a preview of what’s still to come in 2019 (and there is some big news about this next week you don’t want to miss) and what we have to look forward to in 2020.

Think of it as your weather forecast to help you prepare for what is to come.

Each year Jeanne gives a 2 hour speech explaining what she sees coming by reading the stars, and we are lucky to have her give us a preview of what she will be discussing during her speech on 10 December.

To get a copy of Jeanne’s 2 hour oracle speech detailing out 2020 and beyond, visit her website: https://www.starwv.com/ where you can purchase a CD of her talk.

Full Transcript

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Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the fire and earth Podcast. I am your co host Kathy gruver

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason Medford, and today we have another exciting episode for you because there are some things that are about to change. And so we have back Jeannie Mosher thank you for joining us. Jamie

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star: Always a pleasure to hang with you guys.

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Kathy Gruver: So you told us that some big things were happening and you’re going to kind of get us set up or what’s going on in 2020. I can’t believe it’s been a year since we had you on

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star: Your

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, cuz about 2019 last year and

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Kathy Gruver: I’m

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Kathy Gruver: Coming to a frickin close. I don’t know where that happened.

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Kathy Gruver: Explain to me why time is speeding up. That would be a good thing. So yeah, so you said a lot of stuff was happening. So we’re going to turn it over to you and

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Kathy Gruver: Why don’t you give us a quick a quick background on who you are. Well, we’ll put a link to your other episode and then we’ll dive into what’s going on because apparently it’s pretty heavy.

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star: Okay. Well, I like to build myself as a full service Oracle because not only do I read the stars, but I also do runes and cards and

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star: Other things like that. And that’s sort of my magical life. And then I have a real life as as an author and as an arts activist here and fabulous Berkeley springs, West Virginia.

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star: And I’m now a retired movie theater owner

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star: For the first time in 42 years jack and I have weekends to do what normal people do.

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Kathy Gruver: Normal people. What do you do on a weekend of your normal because I don’t know.

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star: What you probably wouldn’t be serving popcorn.

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star: People, but it’s been great. Anyway, every year for the past since 1977 so 42 years I have been doing what I call my Oracle’s talk and I look at the year to come

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star: The past couple of years, I have been threatening not to do it anymore because the news was hard and I didn’t want people blaming me since I’m only the interpreter

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star: I don’t write the script. So here we are, we’re in 22 we’re getting ready to enter 2020 as it turns out, the big some of the big issues that will face in 2020 actually start on December 3 2020 is going to be a heavy earth year

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star: In astrology. That means practical conservative restrictive.

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star: Inflexible

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star: And the pile up starts in earnest. On December 3 when the planet Jupiter moves into Capricorn joining Saturn and Pluto already there.

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star: Historically, and in this case historic means every single time that Jupiter and Saturn are together in Capricorn. There is an economic crisis.

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star: So I think that, you know, there’s no doubt it’s inevitable when it happens every time.

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star: It’s hard to argue with it. And that’s what really starts happening on December 3 and I thought it was interesting and people may notice how in the past several weeks. A lot of the

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star: Big retail operations have been saying, Oh, we’re going to have black friday sales early and it’s like a high, you better be.

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star: AFTER DECEMBER 3 everybody’s going to be pulling in everybody’s going to be sensing that limitation and deciding that, well, maybe they ought to think twice before they ought to go out there and spend more money and

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star: Other parts of the other things happening in the year so so that December 3 sets it up and that difficult period is going to be continuing through at least the end of March, and then there’s a brief period of light comes back again through the summer till the end of the year, the only

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star: I felt optimistic when I looked at the end of the year, and saw that what was going to be happening. Starting in December of 2020

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star: For the next couple of years, is we are going to be entering a progressive period and expanse of period, a period where we’re going to be devoted to universal concepts inclusive concepts concepts of equality. We just have to survive.

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star: You survived run a journey to get there.

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Jason Mefford: In Geneva let

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Jason Mefford: Me ask you a question on that because you know what, because you’re you’re talking about now the the December 3 date. And I was thinking of when we talked before wasn’t there. They’re kind of the January like 11th, 12th area so has

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Jason Mefford: Has that timing kind of moved up because because everything is aligning sooner than we expected or

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Jason Mefford: Is there kind of two different event.

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star: Kind of things to be worried occasion we will talk about that January.

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Jason Mefford: OK, OK. I just didn’t know if it was okay.

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star: That’s just a real dramatic thing.

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star: But, but the the the year long economic slide begins in December. And since it’s happening. Just a couple weeks from now. I think people need to know

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star: So to

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Kathy Gruver: That point Jeannie I guess the question is, is it simply a matter of don’t spend all your money right now because maybe not more is coming as a matter of buy more stocks as a matter of, like, what, what

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Kathy Gruver: Stocks

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Kathy Gruver: I would not fall. Okay.

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Jason Mefford: probably sell before the third

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star: I would say the solution is to become to get through this period is to become more frugal

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star: One of the big issues through the year is going to be waste management.

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star: Interesting and you know I’ve always thought it was interesting that there were cultures where people lived off of waste dumps and what was in them.

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star: And I had someone at a lecture I gave recently say, well, my husband designed storage units. What do you think is going to happen with storage units, I said.

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star: I think people are probably going to start living off of what they’ve put in their storage units, if not living in the storage units directly

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star: So, you know, and there are key periods that we’ll talk about in a couple of minutes. But generally, the year is not going to be an expansive one. It’s also not going to be a particular into particularly intimate one

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star: There’s only one planet in water. So emotions are not powerful and there is, there are none of the outer planets are in a fire sign, which means that inspiration and energy in general are lacking through the entire year.

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star: It’s going to contribute to people feeling boxed in

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star: There are lots of planets in retrograde throughout the year. So movement forward is very limited. And in fact, there are only two months of time in the entire year were no planets are retrograde that’s very rare.

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star: And there are also three major conjunctions in the outer planets another rare experience and generally that marks the end of an old cycle and the beginning of a new cycle.

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star: There is no doubt that 2020 is a crucial year lots of endings. And fortunately, by the end of the year, lots of beginnings. So the old order ends by the end of 2020

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star: Everything points to tremendous changes in attitudes and direction.

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star: And the new world is pretty much unrecognizable from where we’re standing right now.

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Kathy Gruver: So I’m going to ask the question that every single person listening is thinking, does that mean Trump’s getting out of office.

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star: My personal analysis of a variety of charts is yes he’s out of office and primarily because the trend changes.

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star: When we have a trend that’s moving to progressive shorter place. I mean, they don’t fit and you can’t succeed when you’re out of sync with a cosmic trend. Sorry, people can say what they want, but it doesn’t work the stars always win.

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Kathy Gruver: Oh, okay. So I just, you had posted something on Facebook when when not to keep bringing politics in this, but I thought this was fascinating.

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Kathy Gruver: When better Rourke announced his candidacy. And then he subsequently dropped out. You had a really good point about that tell us what that was, because that’s a perfect example.

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star: Well, it’s a perfect example candidates not using astrologers, so he declared

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star: A time when Mercury was retrograde that happens about three times a year for around three weeks each. And during those periods.

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star: Things don’t move forward. Well, and anything you start during those periods, need to be needs to be redone.

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star: And if I had had his email address, I would have said beta drop out right away and wait till a better time to re enter. But I think he’s just gone. And it was interesting.

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star: To see Michael Bloomberg who probably does have an astrologer picked a much better day to declare that he was entering the race.

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star: Kamala Harris is another one who picked a bad time to declare and

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star: She declared on an eclipse, which means you know there’s this there’s like intense periods and then nothing and then intense periods and then nothing. So again, it’s certainly not what as as an astrologer, what I would have picked

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star: And here’s an interesting little anecdote in 20 no in 1999 yeah because the election was in 2000 I was contacted by someone ON THE GORE CAMPAIGN and said, Will you pick a date for us to declare and I did. And then the Bush campaign picked the day before.

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star: I thought okay, well that was obviously a good pic but not quite good enough.

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Kathy Gruver: All the hanging chads and that anyway. Okay. So I just put because I remember you throwing that thing in there about better work. And I thought, you know, that’s an interesting example to bring up so

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Kathy Gruver: Alright, moving forward. So we’ve got a year of endings which I had enough endings. I don’t want any more endings and I’m a Capricorn so apparently I’m getting pounded with it all. Yes.

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star: Well, yes, but then there are the people who don’t fit in at all. You know, this is still your year so austerity, a lot of austerity and a lot of these dramatic changes and people can’t hold on. They need to let things go they need to let old structures go

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star: And again, don’t expect to recognize the world as it turned out, be

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star: By the end of the year.

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star: Um, alright, let’s see. So I’m one of the problems with Capricorn is that it really encouraged encourages repression.

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star: And we have a lot of fear setting in. And this is going to happen if the economy goes south, people are going to be afraid. And what government does what authority does during those times is to set limitations.

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star: To help people not be afraid. So, you know, we’re going to see the walls closing in, and I always think when I every time I say that I think about the scene in Star Wars where they get thrown in the trash dump and the wall.

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star: That’s what it’s going to feel like

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star: Lots of rules. Lots of authority economic prices, it’s, it’s a serious reality check hardships deprivation. And one of the things I would say is really important is to know your neighbors so that when push comes to shove, you’re going to have people around you who can help. Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: So building that support system and those relationships, which is something Jason I talk about frequently. So, okay.

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Kathy Gruver: Making sure you’re surrounded by a team.

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star: Yes, yes.

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star: Um, let me take a brief moment to talk about the wall. And that’s because

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star: Saturn and capital screams wall.

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star: And one of the things that astrology does very well is examines timing. So

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star: In 1961 the Berlin Wall went up Saturn was in Capricorn in 1989 the Berlin Wall came down Saturn was in Capricorn.

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star: Here we are back again Saturn is in Capricorn people are talking about a wall. However, Saturn leaves Capricorn. By the end of 2020 and the wall will disappear.

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star: So there we have. That’s how I feel about ball wall.

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Jason Mefford: So that almost that actually with with all of the other turmoil and other things that are going on, chances are politically, economically, all that stuff won’t be able to probably get in place during 2020 and then it’ll just kind of get dropped right

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star: Yes, I would say, you know, the, the real struggle.

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star: And this is what happens continually when things get rocky authority clamps down, which is always the worst path to take.

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star: And that’s what we’re. That’s what we’re going to see. Yeah, in spite of. In addition, I guess, to all of this.

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star: Our friend Neptune is still in Pisces. This has been going on since 2012 2012 2014 2014 and Neptune is the planet of illusion.

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star: And lies and assembling as well as having a high spiritual sign side. But at this point, it seems to be wallowing in his lower self. And so we’ve had we’ve had this epidemic of fake news of everything being real nothing being real.

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star: Have weak psychological boundaries of every time I hear about another mass shooting and I hear them say, Oh, we can’t imagine what the motive could be. I want to say, I know, I know. Demons are afloat.

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star: And negative psychic forces have basically hacked in to humanity and are picking off the week and putting these thoughts into their heads because boundaries are dissolving

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star: And Neptune unfortunately remains in place all year. And in fact remains in place until 2021 of the other crucial Neptune issues is addiction.

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star: Addiction is once again a lot of boundaries dissolving being possessed.

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star: It doesn’t matter what’s going to be done. It’s not going to be resolved until 2025

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star: And my personal policy my policy recommendation if I were running for president.

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star: Would be that you know I asked a friend. I said, Where’s all this money going that these drug companies are paying

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star: In fines and, you know, where, where does that money go and nobody seems to be able to answer that question.

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star: But I think that a portion of it should absolutely be allocated to research into non addictive pain.

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star: Solutions because so many people get sucked into the whole OBO thing because of pain, no product pain is a horrible thing. What do you do somebody hands you this little pill and says, Here, take this this movement.

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Kathy Gruver: And it solves the problem. And there are certainly a place for pain meds, but I mean as a hypnotherapist hypnosis acupuncture massage meditation. I mean, there’s breath work. There’s tons of

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Kathy Gruver: Other

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Kathy Gruver: Yeah, talk about for non addictive stuff. But that’s a whole nother show yeah the addiction thing is

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star: So that that keeps happening. And these are these are long cycles, you know, these are cycles that began like the cycle, we’re just finishing up with Neptune began in 1862 here we are finally finishing it up.

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star: So homelessness continues to be a major issue and in California. You are all

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star: changing face of homelessness. Yeah, people are being burned out of million dollar homes, you know, then what happens, how do you address that.

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star: And that, that’s all part of the restriction limitation. The fruitfulness the people you know, wanting to be have a simpler life earth based economies.

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star: Now one of the really interesting things that goes along with all this Capricorn and all of these other limiting

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star: Energies is that people are going to begin to demand morality in their government morality in their financial institutions morality into the people who claim that they should be allowed to govern and Heaven only knows, that would be a wonderful

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star: Free People need to demand it and contraction in the economy will make that easier to do.

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Kathy Gruver: Do you have a field Jeannie have, I mean as the as the

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Kathy Gruver: Hack of democrats narrows. Do you have a feel from an astrological perspective of who might come out on top of this.

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star: I really don’t. I look at them and I think

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star: I, you know, I’d vote I vote for my couch before

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Jason Mefford: For some of them.

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star: Now the bride vote for Donald Trump.

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Jason Mefford: Oh, wow. Good.

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Kathy Gruver: For, you know,

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star: Of those folks I know one shows me what I think is needed, yet I say that I don’t know if that means somebody’s going to break out of the pack. If that means that there’s going to be somebody years

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star: But feeling my body deteriorates

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star: I want to say, why would anybody over 70 even want the job.

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Kathy Gruver: That’s insane people. Why would anybody want the job.

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Kathy Gruver: Exactly.

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Jason Mefford: That’s my point.

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star: That’s true. Well, you know,

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star: I there are people who want to change the world. And the way to do it and maybe they’re right although I’ve just been reading sort of reading about Watergate. It’s like nothing you

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Kathy Gruver: Know, it doesn’t. I mean, I watched a special on Watergate and I kept turning to Michael and going. This is the exact same thing. And he’s like, I know you know it’s like, what do we see what are we not learning from the others anyway.

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star: So back to our January.

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star: 10 wealth period because that’s really a crucial time

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Kathy Gruver: Oh no. Okay, that’s my birthday weekend. Okay.

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star: birthday weekend.

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Kathy Gruver: Well, my birthday is the six but we’re having a big blow up in Vegas. The 10th through the 12th. Oh shit. Okay, good.

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star: Oh, okay. Um, what we have them is a conjunction a coming together of Saturn and Pluto in Capricorn.

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star: And this happens only once this year. Very often, big aspects happen three times as they move forward move backwards.

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star: This particular aspect has only happened six times since 450 bc six times. The last time it happened was 500 years ago. So we’re going to have this major force come into being. For the first time in 500 years

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star: It’s, you know, it’s, it’s going to be hard, it slows everything down. It concentrates experiences the hand and destiny comes into being.

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star: People everybody’s going to feel persecuted and I just love it. Sometimes I see these you know photographs of some billionaire crying because they may raises taxes and I think everybody everybody thinks to being person.

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star: Come on, get serious. So this happens you know and and these are evolutionary forces, what we’re going through is an evolutionary force and light time evolution only moves in one direction forward.

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star: And there is no stopping it. And when you try to repress an evolutionary force it all blows up and all the old stuff gets totally destroyed and you have chaos and that’s a whole lot worse then you got to clean it up and you know it’s really

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star: So anyway, what I like to do is look at

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star: The historical patterns of 500 years ago, the last time this aspect happened was in 1520 I looked at all the things that occurred in 1520 and there were a lot of, you know, changes and

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star: Key genes, but here.

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Jason Mefford: Are the big things.

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star: Here’s what I think was the biggest thing that happened in 1520 was that chocolate made it to Europe from the Aztecs. So here we have five

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Kathy Gruver: And and for anybody who is listening to this, God does this amazing recording that you can buy.

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Jason Mefford: Know, I mean, again, it’s, it’s, you know, I know a lot of a lot of this may look bleak. Right. But the whole idea is the better prepared. We are what can happen because again said, you know, starting starting kind of next week ish

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Jason Mefford: It’s going to get a little worse again. But then we’re going to get to the winter solstice and December and things are going to kind of pick back up again. So again, I mean, Cathy. Just like your question there you know of

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Jason Mefford: You know, and again, I’m starting to pull my hair out, which I don’t have on and then it’s like somebody mentioned again while mercury is just coming out. Okay, okay, okay. That makes sense. And so the more you kind of understand and just kind of go with the flow and not try to find it. Right.

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star: It’s really important to know that just because they say everything is wonderful, doesn’t mean it really is look to reality look to how it feels in your in your real life.

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star: So people can get the full blasted two hours discussion month by month what it means for every sign. I’ll be recording that on December.

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star: December 10 here in Berkeley springs and people can look at my website, which is Star wv.com and there will be a way to order the CDS $20 2020 and your

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Kathy Gruver: Man and and i have to say i mean i tend to buy at the very least one, if not two copies and then I

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Kathy Gruver: I give one to a girlfriend, Lester. Like, you have to listen to this.

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Kathy Gruver: Because in the car and because there’s so much to absorb. So it’s like I have to listen to a two or three times.

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Kathy Gruver: And all like mark the timestamp of where each month is because it’s like, I want to know and I’m right, taking notes in my book. Yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: It is so invaluable for business and for again for those people, of course, they probably haven’t even gotten this far. But for those of you who can stroll June, there’s reasons for this. It’s trends. It’s patterns. It’s, you know,

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Kathy Gruver: Just because you don’t watch the weather forecast doesn’t mean you can stop the rain.

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Kathy Gruver: It’s going to happen anyway.

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Kathy Gruver: I’m gonna rain. Okay, so be prepared for it if you don’t watch the news cast and you don’t know that you need the umbrella legal office that day.

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star: So,

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Kathy Gruver: Be prepared take those steps star web com go get genius CD I’m Kathy Coover I can be reached at Kathy Gruber calm.

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Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached to Jason effort com so Jamie, thanks for coming on.

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star: Thank you.

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Jason Mefford: And we’ll see everybody on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast. So, yeah.

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