I hear some Chief Audit Executives complaining they “don’t get no respect” like a Rodney Dangerfield comedy skit. When Dangerfield said it, it was funny. Not so if you find your self saying that in real life.
In this week’s #jammingwithjason #internalauditpodcast I discuss RESPECT for internal audit. You see, respect is a two way street. There are some things we need to do as individuals and as a profession to get the respect we want. I dig into some questions to ask yourself and practical steps you can start taking today.
And … an episode about RESPECT wouldn’t be complete unless I sang a little Aretha Franklin, and told a few Rodney Dangerfield jokes too.
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If you are a CAE, book your call to join a community of like-minded CAEs in the CAE Forum. When you join the CAE Forum you will get much more clarity on exactly how you can get the RESPECT you deserve and elevate the status of internal audit in your organization. https://jasonmefford.mykajabi.com/caeforum
In this #fireandearthpodcast episode we dig into how using more of our senses when visualizing can make all the difference. Many people have some difficulty visualizing … i.e. closing your eyes but just seeing blackness. Instead of just trying to visualize pictures, image what it would feel like, smell like, and sound like to help activate more of your senses.
Get ready to complete an exercise during the podcast to help you in identifying without judgement to aid in your mindful practices and make it easier to visualize.
The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.
1 00:00:01.800 –> 00:00:06.480 Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast, I’m your co host Kathy gruver
2 00:00:06.899 –> 00:00:14.160 Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason Medford Hey everybody. Today, let me just kind of give you a little background on what we kind of wanted to talk about
3 00:00:14.610 –> 00:00:21.090 Jason Mefford: Because you know some of these episodes are honestly is things that we’re learning in our own life, or maybe things that were struggling with as well.
4 00:00:21.750 –> 00:00:27.810 Jason Mefford: And so we want to bring that and share that with you too. That’s part of the reason why we are doing this right.
5 00:00:28.500 –> 00:00:35.280 Jason Mefford: Now we’ve talked a lot about, you know, things like visualization, you know, as, as part of helping you to manifest, but
6 00:00:35.730 –> 00:00:49.140 Jason Mefford: One thing that, you know, especially the last few weeks. I mean, I start noticing when i when i see things or hear things 234 times, that’s a synchronous stick type of thing that I need to listen to
7 00:00:49.920 –> 00:01:01.560 Jason Mefford: And so, you know, one of one of these things that I’ve been learning more and since Kathy’s really kind of an expert on some of this stuff to we’re going to, we’re going to delve in a little bit deeper on this, but it’s
8 00:01:02.040 –> 00:01:11.070 Jason Mefford: It’s increasing your kind of sensory aspect to some of the manifestation and visualization
9 00:01:11.970 –> 00:01:31.440 Jason Mefford: Right and Kathy. I know you’ve you’ve helped lots of people with this. I’m guessing there’s other people like me that have are more literal left brain kind of people and so as we’re sitting here trying to visualize. Again, I don’t see the clear pictures more
10 00:01:31.440 –> 00:01:32.670 Jason Mefford: Like you do right so
11 00:01:32.670 –> 00:01:45.870 Jason Mefford: I’m, I’m still trying to somewhat imagine it in my mind, but I, but I have difficulty sometimes just trying to think about just the picture right like I’m watching a movie or something like that.
12 00:01:46.650 –> 00:01:57.210 Jason Mefford: And like I said, I’ve heard things from a couple of different people and in some of the like self hypnosis kind of stuff that I’ve gone through bringing more senses into it.
13 00:01:57.570 –> 00:02:09.210 Jason Mefford: And it’s just really, it’s made a difference for me. And so wanted to talk a little bit about that. And then I think we said we might actually do a little exercise on this to try to help people with that so
14 00:02:09.570 –> 00:02:17.340 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, no, that’s, that’s such a good point. And when I teach meditation. I’ve had so inevitably there’s one every other conference. So that goes
15 00:02:17.610 –> 00:02:25.830 Kathy Gruver: Like can’t sit still. Okay. We don’t have to sit still, you can do a walking meditation you can do in, bring your body into it. And because I’m a visual kinesthetic
16 00:02:27.420 –> 00:02:34.710 Kathy Gruver: I love the feeling aspect of that. So there are times during hypnosis session where I might have somebody, you know, I’ll say, you know, reach out
17 00:02:35.040 –> 00:02:43.470 Kathy Gruver: And open that door and I will actually have them reach out with her hand and turn the knob or there’s a an exercise in hypnosis called the great room.
18 00:02:43.770 –> 00:02:52.500 Kathy Gruver: Where you’re sitting in a room and it’s surrounded by post it notes or pieces of paper and you know they are things that you want to get rid of. And I will sit there with a tablet of paper.
19 00:02:52.890 –> 00:03:02.370 Kathy Gruver: Killed a lot of trees doing this but sit there with a tablet of paper and say don’t tear it off and I’ll have them character piece of paper and crumple it and throw it. And, you know, so by the end of the session. There’s paper all over my office so
20 00:03:02.370 –> 00:03:03.810 Jason Mefford: You’ll actually have them physically do
21 00:03:03.840 –> 00:03:08.970 Kathy Gruver: Oh, yes. Okay. Because yeah, that was yeah that that grade that gray room that you’re talking about, that was
22 00:03:08.970 –> 00:03:12.180 Jason Mefford: Actually, one that I went through. In fact, it was yesterday.
23 00:03:13.200 –> 00:03:25.710 Jason Mefford: That the person actually, you know, walked through the meditation of, you know, you’re kind of it, you’re in this round gray room with a dome ceiling. It’s gray. You know, he did it where it was white and red pieces of
24 00:03:25.710 –> 00:03:27.990 Jason Mefford: Paper on the wall and so
25 00:03:28.290 –> 00:03:32.280 Jason Mefford: You know, you try to envision that it’s, you know, I kind of did it more like post it notes.
26 00:03:32.310 –> 00:03:33.000 Kathy Gruver: Because that’s
27 00:03:33.030 –> 00:03:35.370 Kathy Gruver: Not what I want to know to a picture, but yeah.
28 00:03:35.730 –> 00:03:46.770 Jason Mefford: Yeah, so, you know, something that you you physically see yourself go up, grab those red pieces of paper and crumpled up. So you’re actually having people physically do some of that stuff to
29 00:03:46.800 –> 00:03:48.840 Jason Mefford: during the session. Interesting. Okay.
30 00:03:48.870 –> 00:03:53.370 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, because since the brain doesn’t recognize what we’re thinking about and imagining
31 00:03:53.670 –> 00:04:05.850 Kathy Gruver: And what’s actually happening you you visualizing stuff happening in your body, or you you know that’s why when we watch movies, we can get so into them because we forget that we’re not actually helping Tom Cruise get the bad guy as
32 00:04:07.440 –> 00:04:08.940 Kathy Gruver: We wake up in the dream. And we’re like,
33 00:04:11.010 –> 00:04:19.260 Kathy Gruver: Having sex with my neighbor, you know, because we, our brains, like we did that thing. I actually had a client sit down with me. This was several years ago and he was so upset.
34 00:04:19.950 –> 00:04:31.140 Kathy Gruver: I thought, Oh my God, what is he about to tell me what did he, he’s like I did something so horrible. I’m like, Okay, what did you do, and he goes, I dropped on had sex with my neighbor’s wife and I think I should tell him, and I’m like, I think you shouldn’t I
35 00:04:31.170 –> 00:04:33.210 Jason Mefford: Think that’s not going to go to place
36 00:04:33.240 –> 00:04:36.900 Kathy Gruver: No, that’s not going to go well. But he felt so guilty.
37 00:04:37.680 –> 00:04:48.750 Kathy Gruver: But his brain thought it actually happened. You know, so our brains are amazing in that way. So actually having somebody do that action, you know, signing that contract over and over again.
38 00:04:49.500 –> 00:04:53.550 Kathy Gruver: Right. This is why we like writing things down. That’s the kinesthetic aspect of it and again
39 00:04:53.880 –> 00:05:02.490 Kathy Gruver: Because in fact other episodes. When we write something cursive that loopy stuff. We’re not taught anymore, it goes straight to the subconscious. There’s a connection between the brain and the hand and that writing
40 00:05:02.790 –> 00:05:14.790 Kathy Gruver: That helps us get stuff done. It’s kinesthetic, and if you go way back in history got sympathetic magic where the tribes, people would actually dress in like deer skins and horns and they would reenact the hunt.
41 00:05:15.180 –> 00:05:22.260 Kathy Gruver: basically telling the gods, what they wanted. Well, now we know there’s no gods course, actually we don’t know that there could be gods Zeus sitting up there going, haha.
42 00:05:23.040 –> 00:05:28.320 Kathy Gruver: That they did the sympathetic magic to kind of let the universe know hey this is what we want.
43 00:05:28.920 –> 00:05:41.550 Kathy Gruver: It actually kind of works because our brains move towards things that we know things that we’re familiar with. So reenacting that thing we want. That’s good. Please over and over again. Our brains are going to be more apt to get us in the position for that thing.
44 00:05:43.170 –> 00:05:44.160 Kathy Gruver: That was my spiel on that.
45 00:05:45.060 –> 00:05:55.230 Jason Mefford: Well, this is one of those episodes, too. Right. So everybody that’s watching, not just listening, you’re going to keep seeing my head go down because I’m writing a ton of notes because I’m learning a bunch from this too, so
46 00:05:55.650 –> 00:06:02.520 Jason Mefford: You know, again, just like Kathy said that, I mean, here’s another thing too is you don’t have to just listen to the podcast. Actually, if you if you
47 00:06:02.940 –> 00:06:11.310 Jason Mefford: You know, are in a place where you can sit down, take a few notes on this, it’s going to help you remember and incorporate some of this stuff into your subconscious ease here. Yeah.
48 00:06:11.430 –> 00:06:16.560 Kathy Gruver: Absolutely. Okay. And our brains. Also, and this is the exercise to do an exercise.
49 00:06:17.010 –> 00:06:17.850 Jason Mefford: Let’s do an exercise.
50 00:06:18.990 –> 00:06:27.240 Kathy Gruver: So I don’t remember where I heard about this exercise I might have made it up. I don’t know. I don’t remember, but when I went on the when I did my retreat in the Dominican Republic.
51 00:06:28.530 –> 00:06:36.810 Kathy Gruver: I brought this bag of random objects. And I remember just like walking around my house just grabbing random things. My husband going, what are you doing
52 00:06:37.410 –> 00:06:39.960 Kathy Gruver: Because it was just random like a golf ball and a
53 00:06:39.990 –> 00:06:43.380 Kathy Gruver: figurine and a piece of have a pen, and he’s like,
54 00:06:44.430 –> 00:06:59.100 Kathy Gruver: And I sit for an exercise. So our brains strive to identify things so it needs to label things it labels things good and bad it labels things, you know, scary not scary. It is what our brain does
55 00:06:59.580 –> 00:07:08.070 Kathy Gruver: And so in mindfulness practices. We don’t want that judgment. We don’t want to label that stuff. There’s just stuff this decides whether it’s good or bad.
56 00:07:09.600 –> 00:07:13.380 Kathy Gruver: So Jason get a year something within arm’s reach and
57 00:07:13.440 –> 00:07:15.060 Jason Mefford: I knew. Yeah, so
58 00:07:15.240 –> 00:07:20.130 Kathy Gruver: Okay, I don’t want to say what it is. Okay, so close your eyes and just hold it in your hand. Okay.
59 00:07:21.390 –> 00:07:23.490 Kathy Gruver: And I don’t want you to identify what it is.
60 00:07:24.330 –> 00:07:32.280 Kathy Gruver: Now you know what it is because you picked it up. Normally I would have everyone, close your eyes and just plop something in their hand. So if you’re sitting at home right now. Please don’t do this if you’re driving
61 00:07:33.150 –> 00:07:44.310 Kathy Gruver: But if you’re at home. Have someone around you put something in your hand, that you don’t know what it is, or just randomly grab something off your desk out of your purse out of your bag and just feel that thing and feel the texture of it.
62 00:07:45.360 –> 00:07:49.140 Kathy Gruver: Is it smooth, is it rough. Is there a shape to it.
63 00:07:52.440 –> 00:07:57.570 Kathy Gruver: Kind of roll around in your hands and see what it feels like. And then notice what the way it is. Is it heavy, is it light.
64 00:07:59.850 –> 00:08:14.100 Kathy Gruver: And see if you can just experience this thing without having to identify what it is, without having to think, Oh, I have a golf ball just be with that object and then kind of rub it on the back of your other hand and how does that feel as that rough. Is it smooth.
65 00:08:19.620 –> 00:08:20.730 Kathy Gruver: Does it smell like anything.
67 00:08:24.900 –> 00:08:28.920 Kathy Gruver: shake it around. Does it make noise tablet on the table with it sound like
68 00:08:33.150 –> 00:08:37.350 Kathy Gruver: Now here’s the challenge. I want to open your eyes and look at it without identifying it just notice
69 00:08:38.490 –> 00:08:41.250 Kathy Gruver: What the shadows are what the color is
70 00:08:45.150 –> 00:08:47.760 Kathy Gruver: Can you see what the texture is just by looking at it.
71 00:08:57.780 –> 00:09:06.840 Kathy Gruver: Now, we would normally do that for much, much longer. But that’s sort of the exercise is just being with this object without having to identify it without having to judge what it is.
72 00:09:07.140 –> 00:09:14.490 Kathy Gruver: And it’s really tough because your brain wants to be like, I wonder what this is, because that’s an exercise to someone hands you something and you try to figure out what it is about looking
73 00:09:16.020 –> 00:09:30.600 Kathy Gruver: The ladies that I was on the retreat with they loved this exercise we did this three times because they found it so challenging and so interesting to try to just experience something without having to judge it without having to name it. So how did you find that Jason
74 00:09:31.410 –> 00:09:35.340 Jason Mefford: What was interesting because it was, I guess. Sure we do the reveal of what it actually
75 00:09:35.370 –> 00:09:35.880 Kathy Gruver: Yeah. What are you
76 00:09:36.660 –> 00:09:39.690 Jason Mefford: I i’m actually holding. It’s a little. It’s a crystal.
81 00:09:44.940 –> 00:09:50.280 Jason Mefford: You know, it’s, you know, again, I mean, some of the words. Maybe they were kind of going through my head. It is heavier,
82 00:09:51.060 –> 00:09:55.260 Jason Mefford: Because it’s it’s it’s pretty good size. I mean, it covers most of most of my palm.
84 00:09:57.060 –> 00:09:58.020 Jason Mefford: It’s cold.
85 00:09:59.400 –> 00:10:08.760 Jason Mefford: Right. So even though you know again. I mean, you know, things like rocks, you know, they pick up the heat and everything else. I’m sure if I if I sat here and held it for a long time.
86 00:10:08.760 –> 00:10:14.730 Jason Mefford: That would get warmer, but it’s it’s cool to the touch, compared with my skin.
87 00:10:15.000 –> 00:10:15.480 Kathy Gruver: You know,
88 00:10:15.660 –> 00:10:20.640 Jason Mefford: Being a human at 98.6 it’s it’s it’s four sided
89 00:10:21.870 –> 00:10:23.190 Jason Mefford: Right, but it’s not
90 00:10:25.110 –> 00:10:30.960 Jason Mefford: Because it’s kind of like, you know, it’s got a flat 123 sides right
91 00:10:31.380 –> 00:10:40.590 Jason Mefford: And sharp because the the the edges of it are actually sharp, because it’s not a Polish stone. It’s just, you know, it’s rough
92 00:10:41.940 –> 00:10:54.000 Jason Mefford: You know, and what you can actually, I guess now as I’m as I’m feeling it, but not looking at it. I didn’t notice before until I looked at it, too. But it’s got a bunch of cracks in it.
93 00:10:55.170 –> 00:11:00.030 Jason Mefford: Right. Because, because, you know, courts like this usually has kind of some fissures through
94 00:11:00.030 –> 00:11:12.450 Jason Mefford: It and and now that I see that are identified that you can actually feel where some of those cracks are as well. Right, it’s it’s pointed it’s it is
95 00:11:13.710 –> 00:11:14.280 Jason Mefford: Rough
96 00:11:15.630 –> 00:11:15.840 Jason Mefford: Hmm.
97 00:11:17.040 –> 00:11:17.850 Jason Mefford: Interesting.
98 00:11:18.060 –> 00:11:20.640 Kathy Gruver: So what that’s trying to do is to be present without judgment.
99 00:11:21.420 –> 00:11:21.750 Jason Mefford: Yeah.
100 00:11:22.290 –> 00:11:29.040 Kathy Gruver: Which will help us in our visualization, which will help us in our communication or leadership. I actually just randomly grabbed this little skunk.
101 00:11:30.180 –> 00:11:36.750 Kathy Gruver: That a friend of mine made she’s the same person that got me the little least oh so when we did the what’s on your desk episode this little guy.
102 00:11:38.220 –> 00:11:53.070 Kathy Gruver: They got a 3D printer at the company that I do work for. And so she 3D printed me the skunk. And it’s really light and I didn’t. I’ve not really held this before I just stuck it on my desk, it’s incredibly light. It’s got a texture, the entire thing has a texture to it.
103 00:11:54.180 –> 00:12:07.740 Kathy Gruver: And I think if someone just handed this to me. I could tell it was probably, I don’t know that I would definitely wouldn’t have known it was a skunk, but it’s got a smooth bottom and it’s just got this really cool texture and appointee little nose and it smells like nothing
104 00:12:09.330 –> 00:12:13.260 Kathy Gruver: But yeah, it’s kind of there’s rough spots and they’re sharp swelling. His little hair is really rough and
105 00:12:13.560 –> 00:12:22.440 Kathy Gruver: You know, he’s got this point put little points and stuff on the tail. So it was kind of a cool activity for me, even though I was kind of do directing you as well. But I did close my eyes and was doing it along with you.
106 00:12:23.910 –> 00:12:32.070 Kathy Gruver: I think that’s a great exercise and sometimes when I’m doing longer workshops on the stress reduction, like I’m about to do a three hour workshop I will have everybody do this.
107 00:12:32.310 –> 00:12:40.680 Kathy Gruver: Because it’s a mindfulness practice, but it also awakens that kinesthetic part of ourselves because so often we go through our day not feeling anything
108 00:12:41.250 –> 00:12:55.860 Kathy Gruver: And we don’t pause and think about that we can. What are we hearing, you know, what are we, smelling, what, what are we feeling too. And for those of us who are really kinesthetic, I think it’s a great way to tap into that that relaxation response that relaxation techniques sort of thing.
109 00:12:56.730 –> 00:13:07.980 Jason Mefford: Well, even because you know again like as, as you know when when you’re going through a hypnotherapy session with people, you’re, you’re incorporating a lot more of these things into it right because
110 00:13:08.370 –> 00:13:18.600 Jason Mefford: Because again, you’re, you’re trying to if you’re doing something where there’s a visualization aspect to it. Right you are, you’re trying to get
111 00:13:19.380 –> 00:13:39.720 Jason Mefford: You know, and again, for me this was this. This is a little different. Right, I’m learning but you know of incorporating colors. You know, you know, feel the tree bark look up and see how green the leaves are right. So you’re you’re pulling a color into it. So you
112 00:13:39.720 –> 00:13:50.910 Jason Mefford: Can see what is, you know, see how the wind is moving the leaves. Right. So you’re you’re hearing some of these kind of different things as well. You know, I’m like you said, you know, reach out and
113 00:13:51.270 –> 00:14:05.820 Jason Mefford: And feel yourself touch the door knob and open the door knob that there’s these little things that the, the more that we incorporate in it’s going to make those those visualizations more lively
115 00:14:06.420 –> 00:14:09.210 Jason Mefford: And it’s going to activate those different parts of our brain.
116 00:14:09.570 –> 00:14:11.010 Jason Mefford: Because that’s, that’s one of the things, as I’ve
117 00:14:11.010 –> 00:14:18.690 Jason Mefford: Studied, you know, neurobiology is is there’s different parts of the brain that are associated with each sense. And so the more of the senses.
118 00:14:18.690 –> 00:14:19.770 Jason Mefford: Like it said, What is your thing.
119 00:14:19.770 –> 00:14:28.440 Jason Mefford: Smell like. Yeah. Well, that seems kind of weird, right, it was like when Peter said, Jason, what does money smell like. And I’m like, I don’t want to pull out my wallet, right, because I’m literal
120 00:14:29.880 –> 00:14:41.460 Jason Mefford: But, but when you you know like in that instance, when we were talking with him earlier previous podcast, you know, for him, he was talking about, well, to him money smells like the ocean.
121 00:14:42.060 –> 00:14:48.510 Jason Mefford: Is money allows him the freedom to be able to walk on the beach and smell the ocean air.
123 00:14:49.770 –> 00:15:01.650 Jason Mefford: And so again, any of those things that we’re doing the more sensory we can we can get in it, I think, the easier it makes us from a visualization and consequently the manifestations side.
124 00:15:02.280 –> 00:15:11.040 Jason Mefford: So many people are just trying to just see a static movie go on in their head but pulling more of that stuff into it will actually help
125 00:15:12.240 –> 00:15:18.750 Kathy Gruver: And and we have this debate, all the time, but pretty much all hypnotherapist agree. You can’t have hypnosis without visualization
126 00:15:19.800 –> 00:15:33.840 Kathy Gruver: Whether it’s, you know, a progressive muscle relaxation, where you’re picturing your, you know, your feet up through your body or you’re walking down the stairs or you’re in the hot air balloon, you know, visualization and hypnosis go hand in hand. And so, for people who
127 00:15:35.130 –> 00:15:43.770 Kathy Gruver: Quote can’t visualize and there are people that truly cannot see pictures in their head, they can they can experience it without having to see it.
128 00:15:44.340 –> 00:15:55.410 Kathy Gruver: Because just because you can’t visualize something you still know something like if you can’t visualize and I send you to the store for a lemon. You don’t have to look up what a lemon looks like before you buy it.
129 00:15:55.950 –> 00:16:00.330 Kathy Gruver: You know what a lemon is you might just not be able to see it in your brain. So
131 00:16:02.250 –> 00:16:09.360 Jason Mefford: And I think we still see it, but it’s not. It’s not like watching a movie or TV.
132 00:16:09.390 –> 00:16:10.440 Kathy Gruver: Oh no, they can’t see anything.
133 00:16:10.740 –> 00:16:12.450 Jason Mefford: In nothing at all.
134 00:16:12.480 –> 00:16:13.680 Jason Mefford: Nope, okay.
135 00:16:13.770 –> 00:16:16.410 Kathy Gruver: No picture. Like, if I say picture cap. She gets nothing
136 00:16:17.820 –> 00:16:20.910 Kathy Gruver: Huh, yeah. No, that’s a thing. I can’t hear what it’s called.
137 00:16:22.020 –> 00:16:25.740 Jason Mefford: Yeah. Cuz there’s there’s very few people though. I think that fall into that right
138 00:16:26.100 –> 00:16:31.890 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, no, it’s, I mean, there are people visualize well. But no, I had a client who literally cannot see a picture in your head.
139 00:16:32.460 –> 00:16:35.100 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, if your childhood home. She’s got nothing.
140 00:16:36.210 –> 00:16:56.490 Jason Mefford: Okay and see for me. I don’t, I don’t see a clear, crisp picture in color, necessarily, but I can, you know, like you said, when you say a lemon. I’m not seeing a lemon. But my mind is still kind of picturing it even though I’m not seeing it. So I think that’s anyway.
141 00:16:57.750 –> 00:17:00.660 Jason Mefford: That’s where I said, I’m probably down further on that end, but it’s
142 00:17:00.720 –> 00:17:05.730 Jason Mefford: It’s in, I think, to probably the more that I do it, the better. I’m going to get at it.
143 00:17:05.970 –> 00:17:06.930 Kathy Gruver: Totally is
144 00:17:07.380 –> 00:17:09.240 Jason Mefford: Going through an exercise like we just
145 00:17:09.240 –> 00:17:18.150 Jason Mefford: Did is, is, you know, the more you do things like that, the easier it’s going to be when you know like again if
146 00:17:19.260 –> 00:17:41.100 Jason Mefford: Let’s say now if you said hey picture pink courts. Well, I just touched that pink courts. Right. And so again, that that physical tactile thing that I did. And going through that exercise my brains programmed what I just saw and learned and it’s bringing back that picture to me.
147 00:17:42.810 –> 00:17:43.800 Jason Mefford: In my brain.
148 00:17:44.100 –> 00:17:53.700 Kathy Gruver: Yeah. And one of the there’s something called heavy, light, which you can use either to see how his hypnotize level, somebody is like if you’re doing a stage show, you’ll have the entire audience do this.
149 00:17:54.090 –> 00:18:01.740 Kathy Gruver: Take someone that’s really suggestible or it’s a great induction is you picture backup rip my head off you picture.
150 00:18:02.340 –> 00:18:09.030 Kathy Gruver: Book heavy books in one hand and balloons tied to another one. And they gets heavier and heavier and this hand floating higher and higher.
151 00:18:09.210 –> 00:18:13.080 Kathy Gruver: And your hands actually start to separate because your brain goes oh I’m holding books in a balloon.
152 00:18:13.350 –> 00:18:16.560 Kathy Gruver: And you have people open their eyes and they’re like, totally. You’re like, oh my god.
153 00:18:16.800 –> 00:18:28.380 Kathy Gruver: Because your brain is so powerful. So we can picture what those. I mean, I’ve seen people’s bicep. Just go blank. When you say there’s heavy books, you can see the strain and to hold the books up. It’s pretty spectacular. It’s really cool.
154 00:18:29.040 –> 00:18:37.290 Jason Mefford: So that’s a, that’s a way, like you said, for stage shows for the hypnotist to be able to determine who’s more suggestible
156 00:18:37.710 –> 00:18:42.240 Jason Mefford: Which is going to actually allow them or greater chance are actually going to go
157 00:18:42.510 –> 00:18:43.800 Kathy Gruver: Under and be able to
158 00:18:43.920 –> 00:18:46.080 Jason Mefford: Relate it needs to be done during, during the show.
159 00:18:46.140 –> 00:18:50.490 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, it’s also an induction. So I’ve done, I’ve gotten clients into hypnosis using that
160 00:18:50.790 –> 00:18:58.320 Kathy Gruver: So I’ll have you know when when your when your hand with the books touches your lap. You’ll go deeper and hypnosis. I’ll put in the other hand down. It’s also a what we call improver
161 00:18:58.860 –> 00:19:05.610 Kathy Gruver: It shows you your brains following instructions because if you I can’t be hypnotized. And you do that to somebody in their hands are now like this like
162 00:19:06.690 –> 00:19:12.090 Kathy Gruver: Oh my god, that’s so cool, you know, or will do you know magic fingers, where the fingers good magnetic fingers closer
163 00:19:13.590 –> 00:19:16.380 Kathy Gruver: That proves that that shows them that it works.
164 00:19:17.190 –> 00:19:17.640 Well, and
165 00:19:18.720 –> 00:19:19.380 Kathy Gruver: It works, you know,
166 00:19:19.800 –> 00:19:23.190 Jason Mefford: It’s funny because actually, my wife Alli and I, we were going through like a
167 00:19:23.730 –> 00:19:33.210 Jason Mefford: online program that I got. And she’s kind of going through it to one of one of the exercises was, you know, hold, hold up your hand, you know, everything together.
168 00:19:33.930 –> 00:19:40.710 Jason Mefford: Hold it out. Close your eyes. Imagine your body sending energy to your hand.
169 00:19:41.460 –> 00:19:58.140 Jason Mefford: And so you just sit there and think of, you know, or try to imagine visualize energy going to your hand and he’s just sitting there talking, you probably have your eyes closed for maybe 30 seconds as he’s talking and you open your hand, you know, and mine was like this.
170 00:19:58.530 –> 00:19:58.920 Right.
171 00:20:00.420 –> 00:20:03.420 Jason Mefford: alleys was actually like. I mean, she was like, oh, you know,
172 00:20:04.380 –> 00:20:05.850 Jason Mefford: He’s got a lot more energy.
173 00:20:05.880 –> 00:20:08.190 Kathy Gruver: Than I did necessarily call
174 00:20:08.580 –> 00:20:14.970 Jason Mefford: Again showed that even though, you know, like you said, those magnetic fingers to the other stuff that
175 00:20:15.990 –> 00:20:18.510 Jason Mefford: The mind can actually do that.
177 00:20:19.830 –> 00:20:26.190 Jason Mefford: I was doing asleep hypnosis, you know, one time and, you know, they said, open your eyes. But you can’t open them.
178 00:20:26.640 –> 00:20:33.870 Jason Mefford: Try. Okay, I’m going to try it. It was like, holy crap. I really can’t open my eyes. It’s like I’m trying, and I can’t do it.
179 00:20:34.170 –> 00:20:39.480 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, well, that’s another one of those prefers and like my adult talks about that, you know, try the harder you try
180 00:20:39.840 –> 00:20:45.660 Kathy Gruver: The more you realize you can’t open them because to him with his language stuff. He says the word try indicates failure.
181 00:20:46.350 –> 00:20:52.050 Kathy Gruver: Can you pick me up after work. I’ll try. I’m means you’re probably not showing up. You know, so unless you want
182 00:20:52.410 –> 00:21:03.810 Kathy Gruver: Someone to fail, especially I’m talking about hypnosis about real life you know you use the word, try, try, try as hard as you try to open your eyes. You just can’t. Your brain goes, Oh, I can’t. Oh, shoot. You’re right, you know,
183 00:21:05.370 –> 00:21:08.220 Kathy Gruver: What I’m like Mendel’s things we we use trial and hypnosis.
185 00:21:11.850 –> 00:21:13.020 Jason Mefford: I’ve heard it from the other side.
186 00:21:14.340 –> 00:21:14.910 Kathy Gruver: As well.
187 00:21:16.050 –> 00:21:22.740 Kathy Gruver: The eyes getting stuck shot. Oh my god, that’s so because you’re just like, I don’t know when you see a person like going like this and it’s not
188 00:21:23.790 –> 00:21:24.810 Kathy Gruver: Working now.
191 00:21:29.880 –> 00:21:31.230 Jason Mefford: Yeah, so I mean I think
192 00:21:31.230 –> 00:21:32.640 Kathy Gruver: That’s, you know, again, we did
193 00:21:33.120 –> 00:21:40.440 Jason Mefford: You know, trying to trying to just provide some some tips for people again. Right. So, you know, again, some of you may be
194 00:21:40.920 –> 00:21:55.110 Jason Mefford: Trying to do visualization trying to manifest certain things in your kind of struggling because you’re you don’t feel like you’re doing it. Try to start incorporating some more sensory type of things into it to make it more
195 00:21:56.220 –> 00:22:07.980 Jason Mefford: more lively. Because, because, because there’s the other thing I mean like you were talking about before, right, is if if the person is predominantly more of a kinesthetic person as you’re trying to visualize the more kinesthetic
196 00:22:09.780 –> 00:22:28.470 Jason Mefford: Activates, if you will, that you can bring in, whether that’s physically crumpling up the paper or, you know, seeing yourself touch the doorknob feel the coolness of the door knob, you know, turn it, you know, what does that for 990 to 90 degrees, you know, to open the door, whatever it
197 00:22:28.470 –> 00:22:35.820 Jason Mefford: Is right each of those things for a kinesthetic person is going to make that more real for them.
198 00:22:36.180 –> 00:22:38.430 Jason Mefford: Yeah, or, or even this
199 00:22:38.460 –> 00:22:52.920 Jason Mefford: The smelling or you know that one of the things that I’ve heard before you know is, is people talking, are you, you hear background noise and that’s okay. The more background noise you hear the deeper you go right
200 00:22:53.310 –> 00:22:56.820 Jason Mefford: So yeah, something like that is is something that
201 00:22:56.880 –> 00:23:01.650 Jason Mefford: That will be more effective for somebody who’s more of an auditory
202 00:23:01.860 –> 00:23:10.500 Jason Mefford: Kind of person. So, you know, again, if you if you know kind of what your preferences are what I usually say is just try to incorporate as many of them as you
203 00:23:10.500 –> 00:23:11.070 Jason Mefford: Can
204 00:23:11.220 –> 00:23:20.790 Jason Mefford: If you don’t know, and even, even if you’re predominantly one, the more you involve the more it’s going to stick in those different places in your brand.
205 00:23:21.000 –> 00:23:29.910 Kathy Gruver: Sure. Of course. Well, but in reality. If we look at what we’re doing right now we’re touching things we’re hearing things were smelling things were tasting things were sense. I mean, the senses go all the time.
206 00:23:30.300 –> 00:23:42.660 Kathy Gruver: And smell is actually incredibly powerful one. Because that goes straight to the brain. And a lot of our memories come from smelling something and it’s so funny. My boyfriend. I were finishing up watching the good place.
207 00:23:43.140 –> 00:23:45.840 Kathy Gruver: Love that love that TV show. Oh my god.
208 00:23:46.020 –> 00:23:55.770 Kathy Gruver: But one of the episodes. When they get to the good place. It’s it always smells like your favorite thing. And so for cheating, who was a philosopher. He went
209 00:23:56.520 –> 00:24:03.630 Kathy Gruver: Oh, old books in the library. Any other certain smells just take you back to something right, whether it’s cookies or well
210 00:24:03.840 –> 00:24:11.340 Kathy Gruver: To me it would be this smell of this sweet grass that I remember, not only from like mowing lawns and Pittsburgh, but also the sweet grass. I remember smelling in England when I was there.
211 00:24:11.550 –> 00:24:19.200 Kathy Gruver: That would be my happy place smell takes you straight back to something, whether it’s a certain perfume where you’re like, Grandma, you know, I mean, it’s like, that’s
212 00:24:20.100 –> 00:24:24.570 Kathy Gruver: So we’re surrounded by all that. So in hypnosis and visualization and in in
213 00:24:25.260 –> 00:24:40.950 Kathy Gruver: Abundance work is real. As you can make it the more apt. It’s going to be to happen. So make it is real bring everything in. And that way it’s gonna you’re going to get more of what you want. I’m still doing this that abundance that 21 day abundance program, we’re almost done.
214 00:24:41.280 –> 00:24:45.510 Kathy Gruver: But, um, yeah, making these visualizations real for you is, is key.
215 00:24:46.740 –> 00:24:48.810 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, all right. We blown through our time once again.
216 00:24:49.950 –> 00:25:04.830 Jason Mefford: So, there again, there’s another tip for you to go out, try, try, you know, something a little bit different because, you know, like we’re all about here. No one thing works for every person. So try some of these different things. We’re bringing your lots of different things on
217 00:25:04.830 –> 00:25:06.030 Kathy Gruver: Purpose some things
218 00:25:06.030 –> 00:25:07.650 Jason Mefford: work better for other people.
219 00:25:08.940 –> 00:25:10.170 Jason Mefford: Than others.
220 00:25:10.350 –> 00:25:12.360 Jason Mefford: You know, even when Mike Mandela was on
221 00:25:12.690 –> 00:25:24.570 Jason Mefford: You know, and he was he was talking about the rock star. I mean Mike’s one of the best hypnotherapist in the world and he couldn’t with hypnosis get through to this guy, but the mapping exercise.
222 00:25:25.260 –> 00:25:25.710 Kathy Gruver: Just like
223 00:25:26.130 –> 00:25:42.420 Jason Mefford: totally changed. Right. You know, so, so again, try some of these different things. Here’s another one. You know that we’re talking about today, bring in more sensory more more of your senses into the things that you’re doing. And it’s going to make it much more vibrant
224 00:25:42.720 –> 00:25:53.940 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and also just in life experiences things on a different level. If you’re not, you know, take something off your desk, and what does it feel like, oh, this is smooth. It’s cold. It’s got some rib.
225 00:25:54.480 –> 00:25:58.230 Kathy Gruver: That’s it. It’s got a flat bottom. Oh, there’s a little bumps on the ball, you know,
226 00:25:59.100 –> 00:26:15.270 Kathy Gruver: It’s a white out thing. I don’t need to identify this as a white out container. I just want to experience this thing as a as a thing, you know, without having to label it judge it that’s going to change how you approach every aspect of life as well. So go out, grab grab something not someone
228 00:26:19.620 –> 00:26:19.980 Kathy Gruver: People
229 00:26:21.180 –> 00:26:25.680 Jason Mefford: Know, Bob, kill the white out late the white out but not your coworker.
230 00:26:27.030 –> 00:26:41.970 Kathy Gruver: Was causing problems. We need to go to Bob right for the bombs out there. Okay, well we’re again coming something fun to try go experiment go out, make the world a better place. Okay, I’m Kathy Gruber. I can be reached a Kathy Gruber calm.
231 00:26:42.330 –> 00:26:53.400 Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so go out, try something new this week and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast. See ya.
If I could save time in a bottle, ahhh those beautiful words from Jim Croce. Problem is you can’t. The one thing all humans have an equal amount of is time … the challenge for most of us it just keeps slipping, slipping away and we wake up years later in exactly the same place.
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In this #fireandearthpodcast episode we talk with Eric “Sharpo” Sharp. The discussion takes many twists and turns but here’s a little overview. Define your values and then your choices become easy. Better to have good people in your life than lots of people. Surrender to being yourself. Connecting with others so you don’t go through life alone. So much good stuff.
Eric has produced and performed in countless live events and stage shows all across the USA since 1989. He has co-starred in several primetime network television shows and appeared in quite a few commercials. Eric has also appeared in some big feature films. He has honed his live act over 25 years traveling all over the U.S. for audiences of all ages in venues large and small. Eric is a Magician Member of the Academy of Magical Arts at the Magic Castle in Hollywood.
1 00:00:01.410 –> 00:00:05.970 Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast, I’m your co host Jason Medford
2 00:00:06.120 –> 00:00:15.150 Kathy Gruver: And I am Kathy gruver and we are thrilled to have another amazing guest. I have known. ERIC Okay. Jason just did the math that which is just horribly cruel.
3 00:00:15.299 –> 00:00:16.949 Jason Mefford: We’re not that old. Don’t even tell him right
4 00:00:17.130 –> 00:00:17.580 Kathy Gruver: What is
5 00:00:18.119 –> 00:00:18.720 Kathy Gruver: That what you said.
6 00:00:18.870 –> 00:00:19.980 Jason Mefford: 626 years
7 00:00:20.040 –> 00:00:26.940 Kathy Gruver: Oh my god. So I have known Eric sharp, sharp. Oh, for 26 years we did murder mystery together. We did plays together.
8 00:00:28.080 –> 00:00:31.110 Kathy Gruver: Can I say I performed. Your first wedding. I performed. Your first wedding.
9 00:00:32.100 –> 00:00:35.610 Eric Sharp: You performed it my second wedding Norris why
10 00:00:36.030 –> 00:00:40.080 Kathy Gruver: Right. Okay. Well, okay. Yeah. Maybe it was my first wedding. I don’t know.
11 00:00:41.040 –> 00:00:48.360 Kathy Gruver: We all have that. And that’s actually what kind of what we’re going to talk about. And now you’re a magician. You’re a Freemason, you’re I mean like I have watched you grow.
12 00:00:48.720 –> 00:01:00.570 Kathy Gruver: Into such a unique and phenomenal individual just a better version of who you were then. So it’s like, that’s kind of what we’re going to talk about is self actualization and evolution and all those things. And so, so thanks for being here.
13 00:01:00.600 –> 00:01:04.860 Eric Sharp: So good to have. Thank you both for having me on your podcast. It’s exciting.
14 00:01:05.160 –> 00:01:19.320 Eric Sharp: I don’t have a clean space like you both have to work in clutter mess. So I just put this. This is actually my wallpaper behind me and my actual home now, because it represents the fire, water, earth, and the
15 00:01:19.800 –> 00:01:20.910 Kathy Gruver: The other, the air. Yeah.
16 00:01:21.060 –> 00:01:31.440 Eric Sharp: There it is, yeah, I’m breathing. So I yeah so we before we started rolling and I thought we were rolling with this day I started talking about how
17 00:01:33.090 –> 00:01:40.530 Eric Sharp: For me, growing for you growth was different. Kathy because you’re already a very actualize person when I met you.
18 00:01:40.950 –> 00:01:53.430 Eric Sharp: Before you became a PhD elemental P, whatever the doctor thing was. You were already there. You just did you, you had not read your books yet, but it was all in your head.
19 00:01:54.270 –> 00:02:02.130 Eric Sharp: In here in my head was a jumbled jumbled mess. And so for me, it started with a place of knowing that
20 00:02:02.910 –> 00:02:20.940 Eric Sharp: I’m a little crazy and a bit of an artist and that’s okay. And to get into that place of self acceptance and when I got to that point surrendered to being me. Then I could grow, but the first half of the life was we had to start, we got to start over, back to for me.
21 00:02:22.260 –> 00:02:22.560 Eric Sharp: Yeah.
22 00:02:22.950 –> 00:02:29.460 Kathy Gruver: Well, and that’s okay because then we have an intermission, we kind of regroup we reset the stage and then we come out. We do a whole different part of the show. So, that’s okay.
23 00:02:31.380 –> 00:02:31.710 Kathy Gruver: I love
24 00:02:32.640 –> 00:02:49.740 Jason Mefford: Our, our life doesn’t necessarily fit into two or three x either right i mean we can have as many as we want to we talked about stories on here before I is we can create the stories that we want. But I love what you said you know that surrendering to being me.
25 00:02:50.910 –> 00:02:53.250 Jason Mefford: Is I think really one of the first
26 00:02:54.330 –> 00:03:03.780 Jason Mefford: Steps and is probably one of the hardest steps. I mean, you use the word crazy I tell people that I’m crazy to, you know, because we’re all a little bit crazy.
27 00:03:04.020 –> 00:03:07.830 Eric Sharp: I’m glad you said it, because anyone who thinks they’re not crazy, he’s a lunatic.
28 00:03:08.280 –> 00:03:11.520 Jason Mefford: Well, and that that ties together. One of my favorite
29 00:03:11.820 –> 00:03:14.760 Jason Mefford: Philosophers, right, Billy. Billy Joel
30 00:03:15.930 –> 00:03:16.350 Jason Mefford: Said it
31 00:03:16.440 –> 00:03:18.840 Jason Mefford: Right, right. You’ve heard of him.
32 00:03:19.110 –> 00:03:24.570 Jason Mefford: You know. Because, because, because in that in the one song that he has, you know, you may be right. I may be crazy.
33 00:03:25.050 –> 00:03:28.410 Jason Mefford: Here comes, but it just may be a lunatic, you’re looking for.
34 00:03:28.440 –> 00:03:32.760 Jason Mefford: Right, right, that we’re all we’re all little crazy. We’re all a little different.
35 00:03:33.210 –> 00:03:43.530 Jason Mefford: And and probably one of the hardest things is for us to accept that into realize that people love us for our freak freakiness crazy. We are and everything else. And it’s okay.
36 00:03:43.920 –> 00:03:44.520 Eric Sharp: Well, you know,
37 00:03:45.570 –> 00:03:54.690 Eric Sharp: That’s awesome. And for me, during this pandemic thing where people are being category categorized into essential and non essential
38 00:03:55.140 –> 00:04:08.310 Eric Sharp: Well, my wife’s hero nurse. She’s out there in the ICU. She the charge nurse, she is a ROIC she is battling the world here. It’s all on her shoulders and there’s she’s super essential to the next level essential
39 00:04:08.700 –> 00:04:19.050 Eric Sharp: And suddenly I’m in a place where my BUSINESSES COME TO A dead halt and I’m going, well, how do I be essential, and I was making some videos and some art for myself.
40 00:04:19.440 –> 00:04:31.740 Eric Sharp: Trying to share it, and I wasn’t getting a lot of views for one of them. And I realized something really important that even if sometimes the work seems insignificant to other people.
41 00:04:32.790 –> 00:04:40.050 Eric Sharp: It’s significant to me, it matters to me. This is my journey. This is my life. And the more I
42 00:04:40.860 –> 00:04:46.680 Eric Sharp: surrender to it and give into it. The actually, that’s where, you know, that’s when you make good art.
43 00:04:47.160 –> 00:04:53.460 Eric Sharp: Or better or adore didn’t matter if it’s good or bad, it will might have judged my own stuff. If I keep judging me then I’ll never put anything out there.
44 00:04:53.970 –> 00:05:06.120 Eric Sharp: So the job of the artist is never to judge his own stuff. But just to do it. Let other people be the job. But I guess the point was it mattered to me and I never allowed it to matter to me before I was probably. Oh, well, if I’m not earning
45 00:05:07.320 –> 00:05:16.170 Eric Sharp: You know, and she was very liberating that there’s no choice to be earning right now because I can’t. Now I can just make my heart. Nora loves that, by the way.
47 00:05:20.760 –> 00:05:22.920 Kathy Gruver: Well, we’ll have her on next week and we’ll discuss how
48 00:05:25.470 –> 00:05:34.860 Kathy Gruver: You’re talking, it’s great because you’re talking about the self acceptance in this evolution and how do we, you know, because we’ve all had a checkered past Jason, he was he was a perfect double
49 00:05:36.930 –> 00:05:38.190 Eric Sharp: You can see that just
50 00:05:38.310 –> 00:05:38.610 Yes.
51 00:05:39.690 –> 00:05:42.360 Kathy Gruver: Yes, that little cherub face so yeah
52 00:05:44.040 –> 00:05:47.220 Eric Sharp: I think it’s in the painting behind you with the sailboat, and they
53 00:05:47.490 –> 00:05:47.820 Kathy Gruver: Were like
54 00:05:48.480 –> 00:05:50.790 Eric Sharp: Well, I do like it very much.
55 00:05:50.940 –> 00:05:56.310 Jason Mefford: Yeah, it’s actually one that I painted. So there’s a little bit of artist in me as well. There’s symbolic
56 00:05:56.340 –> 00:05:57.420 Jason Mefford: Nice stuff to it.
57 00:05:58.020 –> 00:05:59.190 Jason Mefford: Oh, yeah. So it’s a
58 00:05:59.340 –> 00:06:10.710 Kathy Gruver: Yes. Yeah, that’s like, how do we and we talked before we got on the air about accepting that past and, you know, looking back and not being embarrassed by it and how do you, how do you make that leap. How do you, how do we
59 00:06:11.730 –> 00:06:14.040 Kathy Gruver: Learn from everything we did rather than making it a burden.
60 00:06:14.580 –> 00:06:19.020 Eric Sharp: Well for me, I had to. I had to stop.
61 00:06:20.130 –> 00:06:24.270 Eric Sharp: Taking drugs and drinking alcohol. That was the first thing was to stop.
62 00:06:25.500 –> 00:06:27.630 Eric Sharp: Distancing myself from
63 00:06:29.640 –> 00:06:39.060 Eric Sharp: This place this reality so that I could I could experience it. I was just cutting myself off from that because the pain of being here, you know the pain of being a person
64 00:06:39.420 –> 00:06:53.550 Eric Sharp: Can sometimes be overwhelming. So, so I was stepping back from that and I was postponing life instead of going through it. And the only way out is through and you can only go halfway into the woods. I got a lot of these by the way just to
65 00:06:53.850 –> 00:06:56.820 Jason Mefford: Hit me up and I gotta write down those are very close
66 00:06:57.270 –> 00:07:01.440 Eric Sharp: Number 47 even broccoli fortune cookie say
67 00:07:04.620 –> 00:07:13.770 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, you can’t. You have to go through yeah that’s that’s and you’re right, being a human, especially right now there’s so much fear with the pandemic and there’s
68 00:07:14.520 –> 00:07:16.470 Kathy Gruver: So much hesitancy and so much
69 00:07:17.520 –> 00:07:26.190 Kathy Gruver: You know i mean i i’m probably one of the strongest people I know and there’s been days that I’ve been terrified and had the shit scared out of me and lay in my boyfriend’s aren’t crying about
70 00:07:26.430 –> 00:07:30.330 Kathy Gruver: The fear of my business and what’s happening with my clients and you know I’m unemployed.
71 00:07:30.690 –> 00:07:41.910 Kathy Gruver: Not sure how I’m not essential, being that I’m helping people with their pain, but I’m also deemed non essential so I’m not allowed to be working right now to the tune of maybe losing my license. So if I would get caught working, which is
72 00:07:42.540 –> 00:07:48.990 Kathy Gruver: Like scary. It’s terrifying. You know, it’s like, I don’t want to be this underground thing but it’s like I also have clients and pain.
73 00:07:49.680 –> 00:07:50.130 You know,
74 00:07:51.150 –> 00:07:52.770 Eric Sharp: Can I, can I say something
75 00:07:52.770 –> 00:08:02.010 Eric Sharp: Yeah, when I see people like you who are brave enough to share your fear and your discomfort and just be
76 00:08:02.790 –> 00:08:06.210 Eric Sharp: That to me is so inspiring because I have a problem with that.
77 00:08:06.750 –> 00:08:15.420 Eric Sharp: I have a problem with not just putting on the sharp. Oh, happy face and being the clown, you know, but when I see people who are strong enough to be vulnerable. There’s the irony. Right.
78 00:08:15.720 –> 00:08:20.490 Eric Sharp: You’re strong enough to stand vulnerable and naked for the world and say this is who I am.
79 00:08:21.030 –> 00:08:38.340 Eric Sharp: You know, I said this to Hannibal, the other day, or mutual friend magician. He’s an artist who lays it all out there. He’s always so always free to be that no matter what, to me, that is the essence of getting through scary moments. Yeah.
80 00:08:39.330 –> 00:08:44.700 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and as a performer and, you know, to a certain extent, all three of us are performers, you know, Jason.
81 00:08:45.300 –> 00:08:50.550 Kathy Gruver: Is also a motivational speaker. He runs courses you know it’s sometimes hard to forget.
82 00:08:50.850 –> 00:09:00.480 Kathy Gruver: That we can let that mask down. We’ve done shows about masks and covering up emotions and vulnerabilities. It’s sometimes so hard to let that mask down and the times that I have been
83 00:09:01.050 –> 00:09:05.940 Kathy Gruver: very vulnerable on Facebook, where my daily pause has been me in tears talking about something that scares me.
84 00:09:06.300 –> 00:09:12.690 Kathy Gruver: That’s when I get the most input of thank you because I feel that same thing and it’s nice to know I’m not alone. And, you know,
85 00:09:13.170 –> 00:09:22.530 Kathy Gruver: I mean, we can certainly go to the opposite end of that which is the constant me so it’s about finding that balance and being vulnerable and not being a needy, you know, insane person.
86 00:09:23.550 –> 00:09:23.940 Eric Sharp: Party.
88 00:09:24.690 –> 00:09:29.730 Kathy Gruver: But it is about. It is about being bought because we all have moments of sadness and depression and fear.
89 00:09:29.970 –> 00:09:32.040 Kathy Gruver: And it’s about finding that balance in that
90 00:09:33.330 –> 00:09:41.130 Jason Mefford: Well, it’s interesting too because both of you are actors, you know, as well. I mean, yeah, we’re all kind of performers. But, but especially you know as you’re acting out a role.
91 00:09:41.640 –> 00:09:48.060 Jason Mefford: And and you can see this. I mean, Eric, you know, again, you’re vulnerable on here talking about, you know, having to get past the drugs and alcohol.
92 00:09:48.660 –> 00:09:57.000 Jason Mefford: And you can see, I mean, especially in that profession where you’re, you’re always kind of playing somebody else and you guys, I’m sure know people in the industry. Right.
93 00:09:57.390 –> 00:10:09.150 Jason Mefford: I mean some some some of the people, you know, again, you show up, you get into that role. You are that role. And sometimes it’s easy for people to forget who the real Jason is
94 00:10:09.390 –> 00:10:09.900 Eric Sharp: That’s it.
95 00:10:10.140 –> 00:10:24.600 Jason Mefford: Yeah, because you are that role that you’re playing. I mean, some of the best actors you know that we’ve talked about. They like consume themselves with being that person, they actually stay in character, even when they’re not on set.
96 00:10:24.930 –> 00:10:25.140 Eric Sharp: Right.
97 00:10:25.170 –> 00:10:36.630 Jason Mefford: You know and do things like that. And it’s sometimes, you know, a lot of times people turn to, you know, drugs, alcohol gambling what whatever the addictive behavior may happen to be
98 00:10:37.260 –> 00:10:50.970 Jason Mefford: To try to escape remembering or being us but like you said, you know, until, until we surrender and and let our freakiness out and be okay with an accepted.
99 00:10:51.060 –> 00:10:51.390 Eric Sharp: Yeah.
100 00:10:51.450 –> 00:10:54.030 Jason Mefford: We’re, we’re never really living life.
101 00:10:54.810 –> 00:11:07.380 Eric Sharp: As a sacred say it has been 16 plus years clean and sober for me, so it’s it’s a it’s a journey and losses, but it is 5919 days today.
103 00:11:10.740 –> 00:11:12.510 Eric Sharp: Well, it’s important for me because
104 00:11:13.650 –> 00:11:24.540 Eric Sharp: You know, I don’t want to miss watching my children grow up and and I think that’s the number one motivator for me is, is I like who I have a values.
105 00:11:25.080 –> 00:11:38.160 Eric Sharp: I think what happens is when you are able to define your values, what you value in this world. Once you really understand your values, there’s no choices and choices become very easy.
106 00:11:38.580 –> 00:11:45.930 Eric Sharp: Do I want this or do I want this. And when I realized one is in accordance with your values. That’s the one you choose.
107 00:11:46.440 –> 00:12:01.680 Eric Sharp: When it when behaviors and activities are going against what you really, really have defined is things you value in this life. That’s, that’s when you make the bad decisions and or whatever. I was, I forget. I’m old and Alzheimer’s.
108 00:12:02.790 –> 00:12:08.160 Eric Sharp: Anyway point is once you define the values like it becomes very easy. Yeah.
109 00:12:08.580 –> 00:12:17.070 Kathy Gruver: And we actually did an entire episode on values where we actually went through the value cards. I’m about to do a coaching session where I’m specifically dealing with this gentleman today with values.
110 00:12:17.310 –> 00:12:22.530 Kathy Gruver: I completely agree with you. If you don’t know what you want, then you can’t know who you are, to get that thing.
111 00:12:22.860 –> 00:12:33.660 Kathy Gruver: And you know, we talked about this all the time. And this is why I love talking to different guests, because we so often cycle back to things that we’ve already talked about Jason and it’s just it’s looked at from a different perspective, it’s looked at from a different way.
112 00:12:35.340 –> 00:12:44.940 Kathy Gruver: Do you feel like Eric that your progression to who you are now was a conglomeration of things, or was there one moment where you went off. Fuck, I need to make some changes.
113 00:12:47.850 –> 00:12:48.990 Eric Sharp: Well, I think.
114 00:12:50.640 –> 00:12:52.350 Eric Sharp: I think they call that hitting bottom
115 00:12:53.370 –> 00:13:14.760 Eric Sharp: Yeah. You know, I think that you you get to a point where the pain of not changing is bigger than the fear of changing. And that’s this this crossroads. You hit the crux of the problem is when the pain is too big. And you have to change, you know, and then
116 00:13:16.410 –> 00:13:24.900 Eric Sharp: You know, for me, I really, you know, I really was was just so lucky. I’ve been given a whole new life. I still have my health.
117 00:13:25.770 –> 00:13:33.090 Eric Sharp: I want to tempt fate. But today I’m healthy. And I have a beautiful family, a wife and children that are growing up in a in a happy and
118 00:13:33.510 –> 00:13:44.310 Eric Sharp: I have a house I you know all the thing when I when I hit bottom I had nothing I had nothing. I was this close to living in my car and some people their bottom is lower than that they live in the car.
119 00:13:45.060 –> 00:13:56.160 Eric Sharp: And then they live without a car. They live in a cardboard box under a bridge or they don’t live at all. Yeah. And for me, I was so lucky. And then I grew and cleaned up my act and
120 00:13:57.540 –> 00:14:07.050 Eric Sharp: I got into running my own business. And then I, you know, made sure I cleaned up any wreckage I left in my past.
121 00:14:07.440 –> 00:14:15.870 Eric Sharp: And you know, it’s very lucky. I wish I was never arrested and never got in trouble with the law. So, and nothing that I had done in my past that precluded me from joining my fraternity.
122 00:14:16.290 –> 00:14:22.980 Eric Sharp: Because there’s very strict rules in the Masonic family, which I’m part of do not allow
123 00:14:23.490 –> 00:14:34.440 Eric Sharp: You know, convicted felons are people who have committed crimes, you know, to, to join a they want to make sure that they have a good caliber person. So I was, I was very fortunate to be able to to
124 00:14:35.250 –> 00:14:41.460 Eric Sharp: To have not made such a wreckage of my past that I couldn’t go forward and then I I joined a fraternity.
125 00:14:41.880 –> 00:14:51.750 Eric Sharp: I became the master my lodge and went on to other Concord and bodies and I’m a Shriner so I helped with the Shriners Children’s Hospital.
126 00:14:52.350 –> 00:15:00.930 Eric Sharp: So, you know, I don’t want to make it sound like I was living in a dumpster or, you know, taking heroin or anything. I was never it that, but I had a very
127 00:15:02.910 –> 00:15:06.390 Eric Sharp: Very low tolerance for pain compared to some people.
128 00:15:06.810 –> 00:15:07.740 Kathy Gruver: You had a high bottom
129 00:15:08.280 –> 00:15:08.880 Yeah, that’s
130 00:15:11.730 –> 00:15:15.420 Eric Sharp: My new character, his name is Joe shovel hi bottom. Yeah.
131 00:15:22.050 –> 00:15:24.420 Jason Mefford: So maybe let’s talk at you know about
132 00:15:24.600 –> 00:15:29.910 Jason Mefford: You know the Fraternal Order. Because like you said you know you do. Got it into into masonry.
133 00:15:31.020 –> 00:15:32.820 Jason Mefford: And, and, you know,
134 00:15:32.850 –> 00:15:43.800 Jason Mefford: Those, those kind of organizations, they’ve kind of died down from what they were, you know, back in the day, right, like my grandparents were eagles or
135 00:15:43.980 –> 00:15:45.660 Jason Mefford: Alex, they were in the outs on the
136 00:15:46.050 –> 00:15:46.350 Right.
137 00:15:47.790 –> 00:15:57.540 Jason Mefford: In the end, there’s, there’s this whole sense of community and well being and helping each other as well. So maybe you know kind of talk a little bit about that and how did
138 00:15:57.990 –> 00:16:11.010 Jason Mefford: You know, again, when you kind of hit your higher bottom, you know. Was that one of those things that, that again kind of helped you come out of it and express yourself and become more who you are as well.
139 00:16:12.480 –> 00:16:22.500 Eric Sharp: Yeah. Well, thank you for that, when I when I hit the high bottom I was, I had made some big mistakes in the world of Hollywood.
140 00:16:23.040 –> 00:16:39.780 Eric Sharp: And the opportunities had dried up. I had worked a bit in the 90s and TV and movies and suddenly I found myself without many prospects in Hollywood kind of turned around. Since then, I mean, just you know you want hot and cold in that business. But I think having
141 00:16:41.310 –> 00:16:45.660 Eric Sharp: Forced to run my own business and stress of the family. And once I got
142 00:16:46.740 –> 00:16:54.600 Eric Sharp: Once I went into, well I joined a fraternity after being hired by the Scottish Rite and Pasadena to perform for them.
143 00:16:55.080 –> 00:16:55.620 Jason Mefford: Okay.
144 00:16:55.860 –> 00:16:59.970 Eric Sharp: They do a show for their, you know, one of their fundraisers for my mystery show
145 00:17:00.240 –> 00:17:11.580 Eric Sharp: And I said what these are really cool people. This is a lot of fun. They’re having a blast. This is fellowship, this is really what I’m looking for. So I petitioned and I joined my Masonic Lodge.
146 00:17:12.030 –> 00:17:25.980 Eric Sharp: And I found a place of true friendship and true brotherhood and sisterhood to because my Lodge is very family friendly and the wives and my children have run around that lodge room for
147 00:17:26.280 –> 00:17:34.800 Eric Sharp: The last 14 years you know as they grow up and or not, that while I’ve been amazing 10 years or more. So for 10 years they’ve been running wild in that lodge room.
148 00:17:36.030 –> 00:17:48.240 Eric Sharp: And in the dining room and the there’s just a life is better with friends, life is better with fellowship, life is so much richer when you
149 00:17:50.040 –> 00:17:58.470 Eric Sharp: And these guys have showed me an example of how to be a man and how to be a better person, you know the the
150 00:18:00.090 –> 00:18:09.810 Eric Sharp: The grand secretary of the California Masons in the state of California. I said, What is the best definition of Freemasonry for the people who don’t know what it is.
151 00:18:10.770 –> 00:18:20.760 Eric Sharp: And I love his definition better than any others. It’s a place where I go to make great friends improve myself and have an impact on my community.
152 00:18:21.870 –> 00:18:36.060 Eric Sharp: Three things and it’s so true. And it is it is never failed me and it has just been a cornerstone of my existence. So, and yeah, it has died down back you know 60 years ago.
153 00:18:36.120 –> 00:18:38.580 Eric Sharp: Oh yeah, that half of the
154 00:18:39.960 –> 00:18:47.220 Eric Sharp: Half of the men in the United States were in a fraternity and Howard Cunningham, with his leopard fence and
155 00:18:47.220 –> 00:18:47.790 Yeah.
156 00:18:48.870 –> 00:18:52.530 Eric Sharp: And with his raccoon who and everybody was, you know,
157 00:18:52.860 –> 00:18:59.910 Eric Sharp: I actually had created a fictional one for one of my murder mystery shows called loopy the loyal order of protective yaks
159 00:19:02.130 –> 00:19:03.510 Jason Mefford: Movie. Yes.
160 00:19:04.020 –> 00:19:04.260 Look,
161 00:19:06.420 –> 00:19:10.260 Kathy Gruver: What we have to protect our Yaks. I mean, let’s be honest. Yeah, no, I
162 00:19:10.740 –> 00:19:15.480 Kathy Gruver: I have always been fascinated by the Masons my family goes way back through the Knights of Malta.
163 00:19:15.540 –> 00:19:23.820 Kathy Gruver: And the Masons. And there’s pictures of like my great great grandfather with his little Mason pin on and you know I’ve got a bunch of metals that were my grandfather’s and I, I’ve always been
164 00:19:24.030 –> 00:19:25.410 Kathy Gruver: Even as a kid, because it had this like
165 00:19:25.620 –> 00:19:35.550 Kathy Gruver: Mysterious sort of magical underground thing to it, which is what appealed to me. But it’s like Jean Houston is one of my favorite platinum and what to call her philosophers writers spiritualists
166 00:19:35.880 –> 00:19:44.370 Kathy Gruver: And she was actually brought into Washington DC ages ago to help deal with the gang talking about gang issues.
167 00:19:44.790 –> 00:19:50.370 Kathy Gruver: And why boys specifically at a certain age glom on to other boys and take the wrong path.
168 00:19:50.760 –> 00:19:55.620 Kathy Gruver: And one of the things that she realized and looking through history and looking through our society now is
169 00:19:55.890 –> 00:20:02.010 Kathy Gruver: We don’t have these coming of age things we don’t have these rituals outside of the Jewish faith, where you have a Bar Mitzvah.
170 00:20:02.310 –> 00:20:08.820 Kathy Gruver: And now it doesn’t even really say okay, now you’re mad at give you responsibility to you seem to have a big party, you get a bunch of money and you move on.
171 00:20:09.690 –> 00:20:17.610 Kathy Gruver: But we don’t have that ritual. We don’t have that community. Now you’re a man, these are your responsibilities, you’re not taught how to do that.
172 00:20:18.390 –> 00:20:19.440 Kathy Gruver: And it sounds like
173 00:20:20.250 –> 00:20:32.160 Kathy Gruver: Bringing back this sort of order, where you have older men, or at least peers to walk you through what it means to function in the society as a man or a woman.
174 00:20:33.360 –> 00:20:42.300 Kathy Gruver: What it means to fit into that community and have that role. Is that what this does for you. I mean, I would say yes, but I’m not in it so
175 00:20:42.690 –> 00:20:55.050 Eric Sharp: 100% yes this is a situation of mentorship in the picture of the the hand up and hand down one hand is pulling you up in the next in the next one up.
176 00:20:55.470 –> 00:21:05.730 Eric Sharp: So that we’re we’re looking out for each other. And we’re mentoring each other through life and it’s a combination of learning to be introspective
177 00:21:06.270 –> 00:21:18.090 Eric Sharp: And see things in a different way and then to apply those values into life. So, you know, we talked about the working tools of a Mason, you know,
178 00:21:19.800 –> 00:21:20.190 Eric Sharp: So that, that’s
179 00:21:21.180 –> 00:21:28.230 Jason Mefford: When I think, you know, again, Kathy, like you said, I mean that because because I’ve seen this. I can’t remember where I was in Winnipeg, Canada, actually.
180 00:21:29.160 –> 00:21:36.480 Jason Mefford: In and there was, I think it was the Shriners convention that was going on, but they were, you know, in talking to some of the guys you know that were there.
181 00:21:36.780 –> 00:21:41.190 Jason Mefford: One of their concerns was in how enrollment had gone down and they were
182 00:21:41.640 –> 00:21:48.960 Jason Mefford: You know, that was one of the parts of this conference was trying to discuss, you know, how, how do we bring new people in to this because
183 00:21:49.350 –> 00:21:58.920 Jason Mefford: They’ve been kind of dying off a little bit. And I think, you know, as we’re talking here again. I mean, a sense of community is so important for all of us as humans.
184 00:21:59.280 –> 00:22:02.460 Jason Mefford: Right, whether, whether it’s in the, you know, in a familial
185 00:22:02.700 –> 00:22:20.760 Jason Mefford: Setting a fraternal setting, you know, some some sort of thing we all long for community and for belonging, and especially now you know with with us all moving all over the world, you know, separated from our from our families, you know, more so than we were 100 years ago.
186 00:22:21.990 –> 00:22:24.870 Jason Mefford: You know now literally social isolation.
187 00:22:25.320 –> 00:22:27.600 Jason Mefford: In some of the stuff that we’re going through
188 00:22:28.080 –> 00:22:38.130 Jason Mefford: It. And I think as humans we we need that we want that but but we’re not taking as much advantage of it as we probably could.
189 00:22:38.760 –> 00:22:39.990 Eric Sharp: You know the
190 00:22:41.190 –> 00:22:49.230 Eric Sharp: The idea though of dying out is not a worry for me because like anything else. This waxes.
191 00:22:49.320 –> 00:22:50.400 Jason Mefford: And wanes
192 00:22:50.820 –> 00:23:00.450 Eric Sharp: It comes and little waves it tide goes into the tide goes out and it’s it’s better to have good people than lots of people
193 00:23:01.560 –> 00:23:17.040 Eric Sharp: You know, and the other is as some of the numbers may be low at the moment in traditional Freemasonry. There are leagues of women Freemasons that are growing that are in co Masons. So it’s not the traditional
194 00:23:19.620 –> 00:23:32.580 Eric Sharp: You know, Grand Lodge, you know, which has been a brotherhood of fraternity and male place for men. And now, you know, one of the reasons the Elks became popular was because it’s coed
195 00:23:33.030 –> 00:23:37.830 Eric Sharp: Yeah, so, and they can drink in Lodge, they have bars in the lodge and Mason’s. We don’t do that.
196 00:23:38.310 –> 00:23:41.340 Eric Sharp: You know, in California. Anyway, we’re, you know, we’re square
197 00:23:42.930 –> 00:23:49.050 Eric Sharp: Is where squares. We don’t. So we were that were held to a very strict moral code and cremation.
198 00:23:49.680 –> 00:23:55.260 Eric Sharp: In some of the other clubs, you know, and so, okay, you know, in fact, the Elks were started by a couple of Masons.
199 00:23:55.710 –> 00:24:03.720 Eric Sharp: Who wanted to drink in lodge and they couldn’t do it the Masonic Lodge, as well, what if we created a second. We’re going to, they were actually actors in New York City and
200 00:24:04.170 –> 00:24:10.230 Eric Sharp: The liquor laws in New York City wouldn’t let them drink on Sundays. They said, well, if we have a private club. We can get
201 00:24:12.870 –> 00:24:15.600 Eric Sharp: The rotary was started by a couple of Mason’s
202 00:24:15.600 –> 00:24:19.170 Eric Sharp: Yeah. Rotary Club because they in May. So you’re not supposed to
203 00:24:21.030 –> 00:24:36.180 Eric Sharp: Have mercenary motives of trying to better your, you know, to try and get business contacts. We don’t want that kind of thing going on where people feel like they’re being exploited or used or manipulated. So, so the rotary was like, Yeah, but why couldn’t we have
204 00:24:37.200 –> 00:24:41.070 Eric Sharp: An organization organizations specifically for business networking
205 00:24:41.460 –> 00:24:42.990 Eric Sharp: So complacency help with
206 00:24:43.080 –> 00:24:52.230 Eric Sharp: A couple non days and form the rotary. It was all based though all of these fraternities were all based on the original Masonic order the way
207 00:24:52.770 –> 00:25:03.390 Eric Sharp: To hold a meeting, the way that you have the, you know, people behave like like civilized, gentlemen, gentlemen. Ladies, rather than barbarism, you know, and, and it really
208 00:25:04.740 –> 00:25:12.780 Eric Sharp: So the Masons is the oldest and the largest fraternity in the world going back, you know, for 300 years of organized Freemason,
209 00:25:14.670 –> 00:25:22.500 Kathy Gruver: Like I said, I’ve always been obsessed with it. Because when I found those metals. When I started seeing these old photos I we can I was, and this was before the entire web. So I COULDN’T GOOGLE.
210 00:25:23.250 –> 00:25:31.740 Kathy Gruver: So I had these metals with Latin written on. And I’m like, I don’t know what this is me. And so I created this entire tale about this mysterious thing that. Oh, yeah. Oh, very cool.
211 00:25:31.800 –> 00:25:34.200 Eric Sharp: This is by my past masters.
212 00:25:35.910 –> 00:25:38.460 Eric Sharp: From my Masonic whether this was a gift from the brethren.
213 00:25:40.110 –> 00:25:50.670 Eric Sharp: Yeah, so, and you know we like our pins that we like our rings and we like our coach Roman but some people might get the idea that it’s a shallow thing.
214 00:25:51.090 –> 00:25:57.480 Eric Sharp: But most people have a pen or ring. It’s usually has a story behind it. Yeah.
215 00:25:57.780 –> 00:26:08.670 Eric Sharp: It was a gift from someone who mattered, or it was an exchange of ideas and you’re at an event and you met someone and they gave you the lodge pin from their lives and this is communication.
216 00:26:09.120 –> 00:26:18.060 Eric Sharp: The meeting of the hearts and the minds so and I say to anyone. What ever you path you choose in life, whether it’s
217 00:26:19.680 –> 00:26:33.570 Eric Sharp: A club or a organization, you know, a church fellowship whatever gets you connecting to so that you’re not going through life alone, you know, and
218 00:26:34.650 –> 00:26:50.700 Eric Sharp: And then it comes back to what you do with the empowerment group Kathy and and how you sharing and see what you what’s going on in here and you get a voice it out loud. You, you, you just open and you realize that there are very few barriers between souls.
220 00:26:52.530 –> 00:26:53.070 Eric Sharp: You know,
221 00:26:53.160 –> 00:26:57.720 Kathy Gruver: I love it. And what a beautiful place to end because once again we blown through our half an hour.
222 00:26:59.490 –> 00:26:59.880 Eric Sharp: Every
223 00:27:00.330 –> 00:27:00.930 Kathy Gruver: Night about
224 00:27:01.590 –> 00:27:05.400 Eric Sharp: This is great. We wanted you to sit silently, we wouldn’t have had you on
225 00:27:06.930 –> 00:27:11.580 Kathy Gruver: That silent guest is boring. Any final thoughts. Jason I, this was a fabulous conversation. I’m so glad
226 00:27:11.910 –> 00:27:18.000 Jason Mefford: Well, no, I think, I think it’s great. You know, and again, Eric, I mean, thanks for coming on and sharing because, you know, like you said, it’s
227 00:27:19.080 –> 00:27:28.800 Jason Mefford: We all go through this life we all make mistakes. We’re all human and and the. But the more we can have this connection and community with other people.
228 00:27:29.190 –> 00:27:38.160 Jason Mefford: Like you said, regardless of what it is we all need something if it’s church if it’s a Fraternal Order. If it’s a Facebook group. If it’s a, whatever it happens to be.
229 00:27:38.730 –> 00:27:51.810 Jason Mefford: We all need that human connection, we need to, like you said, you know, somebody’s pulling us up and we’re pulling somebody else up and we’ve got to realize how interconnected. We all are. If we’re gonna
230 00:27:53.430 –> 00:28:04.350 Jason Mefford: You know, make this world a better place and help everyone. So, you know, I, I, I, for one, really appreciate it and even even things, you know, like the rings and the other stuff. Hey, those go back to tokens and they’re
231 00:28:04.800 –> 00:28:16.170 Jason Mefford: They’re reminders of things you know we’ve talked about that in with habits and everything else, too. It’s, it’s, it’s a great way of reminding ourselves of
232 00:28:16.800 –> 00:28:30.870 Jason Mefford: You know who we really are and who we really need to be. And I’m just really grateful that you’ve you’ve found that and you’ve moved and developed and grown in your life and were courageous enough to come on and actually share with us to
233 00:28:31.710 –> 00:28:33.030 Eric Sharp: Well, you got to find it every day.
234 00:28:33.270 –> 00:28:34.230 Jason Mefford: Otherwise you
235 00:28:34.530 –> 00:28:37.350 Eric Sharp: You put a cloud between what you found and you lose it again.
237 00:28:40.890 –> 00:28:47.040 Kathy Gruver: So of course. So where can people find you, because I know you’re doing magic. Now, you’re still performing and entertaining and what’s the best site for
238 00:28:47.040 –> 00:28:53.070 Eric Sharp: You well sharp. Oh, calm sh. A RP oh sharp. Oh.
239 00:28:55.680 –> 00:28:58.830 Kathy Gruver: Cool. I’m Kathy group or I can be reached a Kathy Gruber calm.
240 00:28:59.550 –> 00:29:07.350 Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so go out, find some community people, you know that. There we go.
241 00:29:07.740 –> 00:29:08.190 Eric Sharp: Live long
242 00:29:08.940 –> 00:29:12.300 Jason Mefford: Live long and prosper and we’ll catch you on a future episode.
243 00:29:12.600 –> 00:29:14.460 Jason Mefford: Of the fire and earth podcast. See ya.
In order to really learn we need knowledge, skills, abilities and experience. Abilities come from taking knowledge and skills we acquire and through reflection and application figuring out how to apply them to our situation and circumstance for our benefit. We then fully learn through repetition and experience actually doing those things.
In this #jammingwithjason #internalauditpodcast episode I dig into why this is so important and how we do this.
I’ve read thousands of books in my life, but the knowledge does no good if I stop with reading the book (knowledge). The great Bruce Lee said, “Knowing is not enough, we must apply. Willing is not enough, we must do.”
The fastest way to transform knowledge into action and wisdom is by joining a community of like-minded people, and investing in coaching.
If you are serious about lifelong learning and transforming yourself for your success in life and your career, listen to learn how to turbo-charge your learning.
The documentary about the community of musicians in Laurel Canyon area of Los Angeles that I mentioned in this episode is called: Echo in the Canyon. Well worth a watch if you love music like I do 🙂
#lifelonglearning
Transcript
1 00:00:01.620 –> 00:00:15.179 Jason Mefford: Hello my friends and welcome to another episode of jamming with Jason, hey, we’re going to talk about learning again and in this episode because again I just see this
2 00:00:15.780 –> 00:00:27.330 Jason Mefford: As such an important topic and so many people out there think, well, I can just take a course I can just read a book. And now I’m smart. Now I actually have learned what I need to learn
3 00:00:27.960 –> 00:00:36.990 Jason Mefford: And it takes way more than that to actually learn and incorporate these things into your life. So I want to spend some time.
4 00:00:37.530 –> 00:00:47.160 Jason Mefford: Today, going through and talking about this some more. Now, you know, as I, as I mentioned before, in order for us to really learn
5 00:00:47.760 –> 00:01:10.470 Jason Mefford: There’s four things that we need knowledge, skills, abilities and experience. So an easy way for you to remember those four is case k s II, you know, think of case k is for knowledge, you know, as for abilities SS for skills and he is for experience.
6 00:01:11.580 –> 00:01:21.480 Jason Mefford: Now this is again how it all kind of flows together and then we’re going to get in and talk about what I want to today, which is really about community and coaching. OK.
7 00:01:22.830 –> 00:01:29.850 Jason Mefford: Now the knowledge and skills. Those are easy enough, you probably understand that that well enough right knowledge we gained from
8 00:01:30.180 –> 00:01:39.240 Jason Mefford: You know, going to a training reading a book. It’s just information, knowledge, okay skills can be those those things that we learn
9 00:01:39.810 –> 00:01:47.760 Jason Mefford: You know how to do a skill in maybe how to how to use Excel right it it’s a practical way or practical skill.
10 00:01:48.420 –> 00:01:56.580 Jason Mefford: That we can use to be able to apply some of the knowledge, but we’re really starts coming in as these abilities and experience. Okay.
11 00:01:57.060 –> 00:02:05.820 Jason Mefford: And abilities that area. Some people refer to that as competencies, but that is where you’re taking those knowledge and skills that we acquire
12 00:02:06.480 –> 00:02:20.040 Jason Mefford: And through the process of reflection and application we figure out how to apply those things to our particular situation or circumstance for our benefit. Okay.
13 00:02:20.520 –> 00:02:33.870 Jason Mefford: And then as we are working on or developing those abilities through experience and that comes from repetition and the experience in actually doing those things.
14 00:02:34.620 –> 00:02:49.320 Jason Mefford: That’s when we actually learn it. Okay, now I’m not, I can’t remember if I’ve shared this analogy with you before or not, but I’m going to share it again. I’m going to share a couple of different stories and things with you today as well.
15 00:02:50.340 –> 00:03:03.570 Jason Mefford: Now I am not a very strong swimmer. I know how to swim, you know, but I grew up in a in an area inland in the US where they were more mountains than there was water.
16 00:03:04.170 –> 00:03:22.920 Jason Mefford: And so I never really learned how to swim that well okay now and if I want to learn how to swim. There are certain knowledge, skills, abilities and experience that I need to go through in order for me to really learn how to swim.
17 00:03:23.970 –> 00:03:32.130 Jason Mefford: Now I could go buy a book and I can sit down and read a book. Heck, I could I could read hundreds of books about swimming
18 00:03:32.550 –> 00:03:46.110 Jason Mefford: That will give me lots of knowledge and maybe even explain some of the particular skills you know like how to kick your legs how to how to, you know, move your arms, how to breathe. Right.
19 00:03:46.530 –> 00:04:09.900 Jason Mefford: Those would all be skills that I can kind of learn through some of the knowledge, but I have not learned how to swim until I actually start doing it until I jump in the pool all of those knowledge and skills that I’ve got in my mind. I have not actually learned how to swim. Okay.
20 00:04:10.980 –> 00:04:18.030 Jason Mefford: And one of the reasons why we’re going to talk about community and coaching today is that these are two ways.
21 00:04:18.600 –> 00:04:35.670 Jason Mefford: For you to be able to quickly turbocharge your learning. Okay, it’s really the fastest way to transform the knowledge into some kind of action and wisdom that you can actually use. Okay.
22 00:04:36.390 –> 00:04:43.230 Jason Mefford: Now I’m sure when you know when when I started talking about this, some of you are thinking community and coaching.
23 00:04:43.710 –> 00:04:49.890 Jason Mefford: I don’t I don’t quite understand this Jason and you know I’m pretty good at what I do. I don’t really need a coach.
24 00:04:50.430 –> 00:05:12.960 Jason Mefford: Well, let me tell you, I remember it was many years ago I saw a video that Eric Schmidt did and Eric Schmidt used to be the CEO of Google. Okay. And he had a, you know, pretty illustrious tech background Google hired him to come in and be the CEO.
25 00:05:14.280 –> 00:05:16.140 Jason Mefford: And in this video that I saw you know
26 00:05:17.460 –> 00:05:21.780 Jason Mefford: Eric was talking about, you know, at his first board meeting he
27 00:05:22.890 –> 00:05:28.650 Jason Mefford: After the board meeting, one of the board members came up to him and he said Eric, who are you going to hire to be your coach.
28 00:05:29.430 –> 00:05:37.770 Jason Mefford: And Eric looked at him and he said, What do you mean coach. I don’t need a coach. Right. I mean, I’ve got all this background. I’ve been a CEO before
29 00:05:38.310 –> 00:05:45.450 Jason Mefford: I don’t need a coach and the board member said no, Eric. Everyone needs a coach, right.
30 00:05:46.140 –> 00:05:53.850 Jason Mefford: And and so let’s just stop and kind of think about that for a minute because I know as I said that to begin with some of you are probably going, come on. Jason really
31 00:05:54.630 –> 00:06:04.140 Jason Mefford: Well, let’s think about professional athletes. Okay, some of the people that are at the best in the world at what they actually do
32 00:06:05.040 –> 00:06:16.560 Jason Mefford: So pick which whichever you know sport you you deal with in our family. We like you know football and and and baseball and my wife and her family are big into tennis. Okay.
33 00:06:17.130 –> 00:06:25.080 Jason Mefford: So if you think about somebody like jock of itch, who is probably you know the best male tennis player in the world right now.
34 00:06:26.160 –> 00:06:37.650 Jason Mefford: He knows his stuff he goes out, he wins. Lots of championships. But does he do it by himself. No way. Right. He has coaches that help him.
35 00:06:38.070 –> 00:06:44.340 Jason Mefford: The reason he is the best in the world is that he actually uses coaches now.
36 00:06:44.760 –> 00:07:04.080 Jason Mefford: He could get to he may be able to get to be the best in the world, but without a coach, it’s going to take him a long, long time to be able to get there. And that’s one of the reasons why coaches end up being so valuable in our lives, regardless of where we happen to be
37 00:07:05.400 –> 00:07:13.650 Jason Mefford: Even if you’re the best in the world. You still need a coach, you still need somebody helping to expose some of your blind spots.
38 00:07:14.340 –> 00:07:21.750 Jason Mefford: To be able to help members, we’re talking about those abilities in the experience to be able to help tweak. What you’re doing a little bit
39 00:07:22.110 –> 00:07:28.680 Jason Mefford: So that you can really be the best in the world. And again pick any sport, you know, if in football, there’s
40 00:07:29.160 –> 00:07:38.820 Jason Mefford: There’s a lot of coaches on the sidelines and a lot of different coaches that are helping the professional athletes to be able to do certain things. Okay.
41 00:07:39.360 –> 00:07:51.270 Jason Mefford: And I’ve, I’ve even been able to tell this in my personal life as well. Okay, I have read thousands of books in my life, I’ve got a lot of knowledge up in my brain.
42 00:07:52.170 –> 00:08:04.500 Jason Mefford: I’ve learned about a lot of different skills, but if I just stopped there. I didn’t really learn it. Okay. And there’s a great Bruce Lee quote that says, Knowing is not enough.
43 00:08:05.010 –> 00:08:16.680 Jason Mefford: We must apply willing is not enough, we must do. Okay, so I’m going to, I’m going to say that again. And you’re going to see how this is tying into what we’re talking about today.
44 00:08:17.280 –> 00:08:37.080 Jason Mefford: Knowing is not enough, we must apply willing is not enough, we must do. Okay. So knowing how to swim by reading a bunch of books isn’t going to help me if I get thrown in the deep end of the pool. Okay.
45 00:08:37.560 –> 00:08:48.300 Jason Mefford: The knowledge in my head. If I haven’t actually applied if I haven’t actually, you know, gone through the doing of actually trying to swim.
46 00:08:48.690 –> 00:08:56.850 Jason Mefford: I’m gonna drown. Okay. And that’s and that’s true with anything that we may be learning in our life. Okay, now
47 00:08:57.330 –> 00:09:07.590 Jason Mefford: Like I said, I’ve read thousands of books, but the knowledge by itself has not helped me get to where I am, in fact, the quickest
48 00:09:08.400 –> 00:09:16.800 Jason Mefford: most transformative work that I have done is when I have joined groups of like minded people.
49 00:09:17.550 –> 00:09:27.390 Jason Mefford: And I have hired coaches when I have tried to do things by myself I move at a very slow pace.
50 00:09:27.840 –> 00:09:41.400 Jason Mefford: When I joined committees, when I hire coaches I progress and transform my life much much quicker. Okay, so let me stop and pause here for a little bit and have you
51 00:09:42.150 –> 00:09:48.810 Jason Mefford: Think about here’s, here’s another little scenario, you know, almost everybody would like to be healthier.
52 00:09:49.200 –> 00:10:03.990 Jason Mefford: We’d like to exercise more, we’d like to maybe lose a little bit of weight. Okay, this is a normal common thing. In fact, it’s, it’s one of one of, if not the the top New Year’s resolution that everybody does every year.
53 00:10:05.340 –> 00:10:11.280 Jason Mefford: And so, you know, again, if we’re by ourselves. And I’ve seen this in myself. I’ve seen this and other people as well.
54 00:10:11.850 –> 00:10:21.000 Jason Mefford: You know, the beginning of the year comes around and we say, okay, I’m going to go out and I’m going to go for a walk every day, or I’m going to go for a run every day.
55 00:10:21.510 –> 00:10:34.740 Jason Mefford: And so we set that intention and by ourselves. We usually go out and we’ll start to do it, you know, maybe a week or two and then something happens and we stop.
56 00:10:35.340 –> 00:10:43.170 Jason Mefford: And this is normal human behavior. In fact, in one of the coaching groups that I that I belong to, we’ve been talking about self integrity.
57 00:10:43.770 –> 00:10:52.650 Jason Mefford: And the interesting thing. And again, one of those epiphanies that I’ve had in reflecting and that many of the people in the group have had as well is
58 00:10:53.280 –> 00:11:05.100 Jason Mefford: You know, for those of us that feel like we have self integrity, we show up for other people all the time, right, if you make a promise to someone else, we rarely will break it.
59 00:11:05.760 –> 00:11:21.600 Jason Mefford: But if we make a promise, just to ourself. We’re much less likely to actually follow through. OK. So again, if we go back to our hey I want to get fit. I want to start going for a walk or I want to start going for a run.
60 00:11:22.170 –> 00:11:33.870 Jason Mefford: If we make that commitment. Just to ourself, it’s easy for us to not follow through. And that’s why most people after a couple of weeks, they just stop doing it.
61 00:11:34.530 –> 00:11:44.220 Jason Mefford: Now, instead if I joined a group of like minded people. Maybe I get together and there’s there’s a group in my, in my community here.
62 00:11:45.300 –> 00:11:56.070 Jason Mefford: Who also wants to do that. And so we say, Okay, you know what, we’re going to meet every morning at six o’clock on this corner, and we’re going to go for a walk or we’re going to go for a run together.
63 00:11:56.460 –> 00:12:04.590 Jason Mefford: And we’re all going to show up and we’re going to help hold each other accountable and, you know, we’re going to talk about it. If one of us is having a hard time
64 00:12:04.890 –> 00:12:15.150 Jason Mefford: The others are going to be there to try to help support and lift up the other person. Now if you go about it in that way if you actually join a community of like minded people.
65 00:12:15.780 –> 00:12:25.110 Jason Mefford: For something like exercise, you’re much more likely to do it. Why, because when the alarm goes off and it’s raining outside. And you don’t really feel like doing it.
66 00:12:25.470 –> 00:12:38.490 Jason Mefford: You’re going to be much more likely to actually keep your promise, because you know those other people are waiting on you or are relying are dependent on you and you don’t want to let them down.
67 00:12:39.030 –> 00:12:47.550 Jason Mefford: So that’s one of the reasons why actually being in a community can be so valuable. Right. It actually helps bring out the best in us.
68 00:12:48.570 –> 00:13:03.000 Jason Mefford: Now another interesting thing along with community is it’s a way for us as we are learning this knowledge and the skills to actually discuss these topics with other people. Okay, so think about, you know,
69 00:13:03.810 –> 00:13:16.410 Jason Mefford: book clubs as an example right book clubs are popular because if you get several people that are reading the same book now they can come together.
70 00:13:17.130 –> 00:13:24.330 Jason Mefford: You know, there’s the accountability and that we’re going to read the book before this date, but now we’re also going to get together.
71 00:13:25.200 –> 00:13:32.610 Jason Mefford: And we’re going to talk about the book. Now, when you talk about the book you’re going to understand it from different perspectives.
72 00:13:33.000 –> 00:13:38.670 Jason Mefford: Because each person that reads that book and kind of provides their perspective on it.
73 00:13:39.030 –> 00:13:45.990 Jason Mefford: It’s going to that’s part of this abilities area that we’re talking about. It’s going to give you some reflection.
74 00:13:46.290 –> 00:13:52.290 Jason Mefford: Some ways of thinking about maybe what you’ve read that was a little bit different than maybe what you read the first time.
75 00:13:52.770 –> 00:14:11.310 Jason Mefford: And that process actually helps you in your learning. Okay, so that’s why again community is also important. So like I said, that’s why today I wanted to talk about community. And I also wanted to talk about coaching. Okay.
76 00:14:12.780 –> 00:14:24.510 Jason Mefford: Another example I recently just watch it last couple of months. There’s a great documentary called echo in the canyon. Okay, it’s echo in the canyon.
77 00:14:25.170 –> 00:14:36.600 Jason Mefford: And and this is a documentary that talks about rock and roll music in the Los Angeles area. It’s called in the canyon because there’s a there’s a part of Los Angeles called
78 00:14:37.080 –> 00:14:50.400 Jason Mefford: Laurel Canyon. And that was an area, kind of in the hills, just outside of downtown where a lot of early musicians bought houses or rented houses in that area.
79 00:14:51.000 –> 00:15:01.500 Jason Mefford: And so when you go back, you know, some of the earlier groups like the birds Buffalo Springfield. The Mamas and the Papas some of those kind of groups.
80 00:15:02.040 –> 00:15:11.970 Jason Mefford: That were early on in the folk music scene, we’re all living together in this same community area in Laurel Canyon.
81 00:15:12.630 –> 00:15:20.760 Jason Mefford: And like I said, this documentary actually goes through it’s it’s pretty it’s pretty fabulous. If you’re interested in music like I am. Check it out. I think it was on Netflix.
82 00:15:21.240 –> 00:15:37.620 Jason Mefford: But Jacob Dylan actually is the one that kind of goes through and interviews. A lot of the people now that last name, Dylan. Yeah. It’s Bob Dylan’s son. Okay, so he’s been involved in the whole music scene, his whole life as well is a great musician himself as well.
83 00:15:38.730 –> 00:15:47.460 Jason Mefford: But, but you can see from, you know, looking at that, that’s another example of the community that I’m talking about.
84 00:15:48.150 –> 00:15:55.800 Jason Mefford: Because when all of these great musicians lived in that same proximity to each other. Here’s what would happen.
85 00:15:56.280 –> 00:16:05.730 Jason Mefford: Right. Somebody would grab their guitar. They’d walk next door and sit down and go hey, I’m working on this song. What do you think, and they start playing the song for the other person.
86 00:16:06.210 –> 00:16:15.180 Jason Mefford: The other person starts giving feedback they start going back and forth and kind of jamming back and forth all jamming with Jason folks, that’s where I got this from right
87 00:16:15.960 –> 00:16:24.750 Jason Mefford: And pretty soon. Some of the music just kind of comes forth, right. And so having that close knit community.
88 00:16:25.110 –> 00:16:32.310 Jason Mefford: Where those those like minded people could get together could talk about could show each other what they were kind of working on
89 00:16:32.670 –> 00:16:45.570 Jason Mefford: Talk about answer questions, all of that kind of stuff, ends up leading again to just amazing musicians and amazing music that came out of the Los Angeles area.
90 00:16:45.930 –> 00:16:55.440 Jason Mefford: In the late 60s and early 70s. It was because of that community. Okay, folks. Hopefully you’re starting to get this right. I’ve been sharing with you.
91 00:16:56.130 –> 00:17:10.470 Jason Mefford: Some different examples, some different stories, you know, we talked about swimming, you don’t actually learn how to swim until you actually start doing it right, knowing is not enough. We have to apply it.
92 00:17:10.890 –> 00:17:23.100 Jason Mefford: Being willing is not enough. We actually have to do it right. So we have to know it. We have to apply it and then we actually have to go out and practice and do it.
93 00:17:23.580 –> 00:17:38.490 Jason Mefford: Now the fastest way, again, to be able to do that is to join a community of like minded people or to get somebody to help coach you and hold you accountable as you’re going through this process. Okay.
94 00:17:39.240 –> 00:17:47.400 Jason Mefford: So let me kind of wrap up today. But let me give you a couple of takeaways as well. Right. So if there’s something that you’re trying to learn
95 00:17:47.760 –> 00:17:59.220 Jason Mefford: Well, reach out, try to find a community of like minded people. Okay, if you’re trying to learn how to play the guitar, you know, hiring a guitar coach somebody to teach you
96 00:17:59.700 –> 00:18:08.430 Jason Mefford: Or joining something like a Meetup group of other musicians in the area or people who are learning to play the guitar.
97 00:18:08.790 –> 00:18:17.310 Jason Mefford: And then going and showing up in that community every week is going to help you learn how to play the guitar quicker. Okay.
98 00:18:17.790 –> 00:18:27.960 Jason Mefford: If I want to learn how to swim. Again, I can read books, but the quickest way for me to learn how to swim is maybe to, you know, join a club.
99 00:18:28.260 –> 00:18:40.380 Jason Mefford: Hire again take lessons, you know, work with other people who are also learning how to swim. And by doing that, okay, you’re going to learn
100 00:18:40.950 –> 00:18:50.640 Jason Mefford: Quicker and be able to make that transformation in your life. So again, there’s, you know, things like meetup groups. We talked about things like book clubs that you can join
101 00:18:51.120 –> 00:19:00.090 Jason Mefford: You know, but also professionally. There are actually some options there as well. You know, if you’re an internal auditor. There’s different communities that are around
102 00:19:00.450 –> 00:19:13.500 Jason Mefford: That you can join you know one of them. As an example, see risk Academy has now started a Facebook group. So again, especially where people are are virtually, you know, more virtual now.
103 00:19:13.920 –> 00:19:26.910 Jason Mefford: That is a place where you can join a group like this see risk Academy Facebook group and it’s like minded people. It’s other people in internal audit risk and compliance.
104 00:19:27.240 –> 00:19:36.120 Jason Mefford: Those same kind of people that you want to hang out with. If you want to learn from them and maybe them learn from you as well.
105 00:19:36.840 –> 00:19:47.040 Jason Mefford: There’s virtual communities like this as well. Okay. Now, if you’re a chief audit executive, there is the chief audit executive forum.
106 00:19:47.400 –> 00:19:56.250 Jason Mefford: And again, this is a community of like minded chief audit executives, but there’s also a coaching aspect to this as well.
107 00:19:56.670 –> 00:20:06.480 Jason Mefford: And so not only do you get the community feel you learn from others others learn from you. But there’s also a coaching aspect to it as well.
108 00:20:06.930 –> 00:20:16.830 Jason Mefford: And as and as we said, you know, to begin with, don’t think that you only need a coach, if, if you don’t know what you’re doing because that’s why a lot of times
109 00:20:17.130 –> 00:20:27.000 Jason Mefford: People will hold back and say, Well, I don’t need a coach, because I already know what I’m doing. Or I don’t want to admit that I maybe don’t know as much as I really do.
110 00:20:27.600 –> 00:20:42.600 Jason Mefford: Put that aside and actually do it because like I said when I have taken that opportunity in my own personal life. In fact, I belong to three different coaching groups right now for myself, personally.
111 00:20:43.230 –> 00:20:56.640 Jason Mefford: Because again, I have seen this in my life, folks. I know my shit okay but I still realize that I need community and I need coaching as well to move forward.
112 00:20:57.090 –> 00:21:05.100 Jason Mefford: And again, if you don’t believe me, think about those pro athletes right does jock itch, say, you know, I mean, I’m the best in the world right now.
113 00:21:05.430 –> 00:21:15.960 Jason Mefford: I just want you know Wimbledon, or you know whatever the last Grand Slam was that he won and say, You know what, I’m the best in the world. I don’t think I need coaching anymore.
114 00:21:16.440 –> 00:21:26.850 Jason Mefford: Are you kidding, he wouldn’t be first in the world. If he had that kind of an attitude and if he stopped doing what he needed to to move forward. Okay.
115 00:21:27.270 –> 00:21:33.120 Jason Mefford: So with that, my friends, I’m going to wrap up this week. Thanks for hanging out with me again and do me a favor.
116 00:21:33.750 –> 00:21:39.180 Jason Mefford: If you’re liking what I’m saying on this podcast. Please give me some feedback.
117 00:21:39.690 –> 00:21:46.860 Jason Mefford: You know you can connect with me on LinkedIn, send me a direct message. Let me know what you like most about the podcast.
118 00:21:47.220 –> 00:21:59.880 Jason Mefford: But also if you can do me a big favor as well. You know, I’m trying to get the word out there to everybody, all over the world. So if you like what you’re hearing, please do me a favor this week and find five people that you know
119 00:22:01.050 –> 00:22:10.710 Jason Mefford: And just send them a message, send them an email and say, You know what I’ve been listening to this podcast. I love it. And I think you’ll love it too and send them the link
120 00:22:11.130 –> 00:22:18.960 Jason Mefford: Because that would really help me because, again, what I’m trying to do here is get this information out to as many people as possible.
121 00:22:19.230 –> 00:22:28.860 Jason Mefford: So that you can all learn so that you can all unlock your potential. And so you can have an amazing life and an amazing career.
122 00:22:29.370 –> 00:22:41.490 Jason Mefford: So do me that do me that favor, my friends, and I’ll do the favor and coming back this next week where they’ll be another episode of jammin with Jason So, take care and I’ll talk to you. This next week.
We are joined again by Karl Smith from the UK Hypnosis Academy to discuss the 5 elements or steps to hypnosis. 1. pre-talk, 2. induction, 3. deepens, 4. suggestion, and 5. emergence and how hypnosis.
If you haven’t listened to the previous episode with Karl on “How the Worst Day of My Life Turned into The Best Day of My Life” make sure to listen to it first, since this is a continuation from some questions and discussion at the end of that episode that we didn’t have enough time to answer and see how even within 30 seconds someone can get into hypnotic trance.
In this episode you might even see Karl hypnotize Jason 🙂
The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.
1 00:00:00.870 –> 00:00:04.980 Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the podcast, I’m your co host Jason method.
2 00:00:05.250 –> 00:00:08.160 Kathy Gruver: And I’m Cathy Cooper and we are thrilled to have another amazing
3 00:00:09.780 –> 00:00:12.300 Kathy Gruver: Show. Today, all the way from the UK Carl
4 00:00:14.969 –> 00:00:15.690 Karl Smith: How are you
5 00:00:16.049 –> 00:00:16.740 Jason Mefford: Good, good, good.
6 00:00:19.980 –> 00:00:28.140 Kathy Gruver: So Carl has not only an amazing program that he teaches, but he’s got a pretty unique background as to how he got into hypnosis, as we all do we have a history.
7 00:00:28.620 –> 00:00:37.410 Kathy Gruver: But Carl, we’re hoping you could share a little bit of your story and about overcoming and trauma and all sorts of stuff like that. So go ahead and dive in and we’ll have a bunch of questions for you.
8 00:00:37.830 –> 00:00:47.790 Karl Smith: Yeah. Cool. So again, thanks very much guys for having a song. So for the view is what I’m gonna do is I’m going to take you through a journey of how the worst day of my life became the best day of my life so
9 00:00:48.600 –> 00:01:00.450 Karl Smith: I’m from a small rural town in England on the East Coast. I live. Actually, I live close to Holland on my family house is closer to Holland is London. That’s how close I am on fire. I am on the east coast.
10 00:01:00.840 –> 00:01:11.520 Karl Smith: And yeah, so it’s quite a small rural town, nothing much, really going on a tip officiate and you know the Old Harbor thing that went on as a kid, nothing really inspired me and always wanted to join the army so
11 00:01:12.390 –> 00:01:24.480 Karl Smith: I spent all my youth, not given not caring about school. I’ll be brutally honest, it was like, yeah, fried exam papers away and causing as much trouble as I could because I’ve made my mind up where I was going to go so
12 00:01:25.920 –> 00:01:32.940 Karl Smith: When I when I finished a couple of apprenticeships, it was still going through my head that I want to join the army and I did. And eventually I did join the army.
13 00:01:33.360 –> 00:01:47.910 Karl Smith: And I did 12 years in the British Army and I went to all the places that your policy representatives definitely won’t send you to do. I’ve been to all the sandy places I’ve been Kosovo’s the balls me is the bulk inside of things that on the Afghan tours, they’ve done the
14 00:01:49.440 –> 00:01:57.750 Karl Smith: The Iraq stuff. And what else have I done northern islands. I’ve done all of that. So I came out on a lot of
15 00:01:58.050 –> 00:02:03.060 Karl Smith: Lot of different tools, I’d seen the worst of humanity and obviously the best of humanity as well so
16 00:02:03.360 –> 00:02:15.420 Karl Smith: I’ve seen some really good human humanitarian type of things but also seen ethnic cleansing on the same side. So I’d seen a lot of stuff in my, in my time I’ve been shut up blown up spot on paste on any time.
18 00:02:18.600 –> 00:02:20.100 Jason Mefford: I was gonna say that’s reading at the pub.
19 00:02:20.100 –> 00:02:22.470 Karl Smith: Right, yeah. I am for me.
20 00:02:23.640 –> 00:02:25.830 Karl Smith: I just locked myself away and do that stuff, but the
21 00:02:27.240 –> 00:02:35.220 Karl Smith: I yeah so I bet I did 12 years and, you know, I loved it, but I just had enough. I’ve got burnt out from it all and I decided to leave. So I planned.
22 00:02:36.060 –> 00:02:40.290 Karl Smith: In my head that I was going to leave. And what happened was is
23 00:02:40.950 –> 00:02:51.120 Karl Smith: About a year. Right. So you have to give a rocky years. Notice, really, when you’re in the military, just to say you’re going to come out so you sign off, and when I signed off and then apply to join the UK, one of the UK police forces.
24 00:02:52.290 –> 00:03:05.280 Karl Smith: So what happened was, as it came along came along and I planned it and planned it and with some great bosses in the Army they realized that there was going to be a bit of overlap. So I left the army on the third of sep tember and joined the place on the fifth of September.
25 00:03:05.520 –> 00:03:07.770 Karl Smith: So that was continuity for you. Yeah, so
26 00:03:08.040 –> 00:03:18.720 Karl Smith: Have Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth, she can pay me money for 24 all my career. So basically I left on the Friday had the Saturday off to one pack pack and wash and then leave on
27 00:03:19.170 –> 00:03:23.730 Karl Smith: Sunday to go to the place where I was joining So note there was. It was never
28 00:03:24.330 –> 00:03:39.270 Karl Smith: It was never ending. So I joined the police force and I thoroughly enjoyed it and I went through and then became a swat Officer for the UK people a firearms officer for our friends overseas is SWAT officers. So just put a differentiation in there. I was dealing with all the high end
29 00:03:39.270 –> 00:03:46.530 Karl Smith: Tactics. So I was doing all that all the the tactical stuff around cars building entries, all that type of stuff. So I was
30 00:03:46.890 –> 00:03:52.710 Karl Smith: You know, kiddo. And we were doing some really high end tactical stuff and really good fun. And I loved it. And then I became an instructor
31 00:03:53.550 –> 00:04:03.570 Karl Smith: I became what they call a national FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR so I was teaching people how to do these tactics and how to do the firearms and how to do all that. So I shoot teach people how to shoot pistols.
32 00:04:04.680 –> 00:04:12.990 Karl Smith: Long rifles tactics on cars tactics on buildings tactics aircraft, you name it. I did all that and it was brilliant. I loved it, but then
33 00:04:13.470 –> 00:04:22.050 Karl Smith: What happened was is it in on August the fourth 2006 2006 2006 what happened was is that I just got home from
34 00:04:22.560 –> 00:04:29.070 Karl Smith: From being on duty or still in my my uniform. I was minding my own business WALKED IN THE DOORS greeted by my little in
35 00:04:29.520 –> 00:04:32.730 Karl Smith: And I did something that I don’t normally do I do now, Kathy knows
36 00:04:33.090 –> 00:04:42.060 Karl Smith: But I’ve walked in and I grabbed a beer I don’t drink it wasn’t on June the next don’t always out in my head. You never drink the night before God just one of those things you don’t want to
37 00:04:42.480 –> 00:04:55.470 Karl Smith: Read on a couple of share that, you know, every couple of drinks is no point. So I finished my shifts pop talking about certainly drinking away and the next minute is an almighty crash at the front and and I was like,
38 00:04:57.510 –> 00:05:05.100 Karl Smith: That. So I went outside went into police mode, while certainly my net and there we are in in our front in the front of our house is our next door’s
39 00:05:05.460 –> 00:05:18.900 Karl Smith: Is a Mitsubishi call, which is, I think, is a European Car anyways me species short four seater car. Anyway, run around the front and I went to the right side of the card, ladies and gentlemen, we went from
40 00:05:20.310 –> 00:05:21.900 Karl Smith: Yeah we designed this shit so
41 00:05:23.250 –> 00:05:30.480 Karl Smith: I went ran to the driver side that makes it easier when it ran to the driver side they make when I’m doing the explanation. After explain us what I’m using my left hand side.
42 00:05:31.470 –> 00:05:40.140 Karl Smith: Here. Well, and I noticed there was a young lad in there but I noticed there was a young lad in there right hand on the steering wheel for some unforeseen reason. I don’t know why did it. I just did.
43 00:05:40.500 –> 00:05:48.450 Karl Smith: A wrap my head around it. And then I tried to help in the best I could from driving off and I was hitting him I was head button in three the window of doing everything
44 00:05:48.780 –> 00:05:57.600 Karl Smith: The current wheels was still spinning and there was people screaming around me. I was doing the best I could, but unfortunately the brick wall collapsed track me underneath the car. They dragged me
45 00:05:58.320 –> 00:06:06.660 Karl Smith: They reckon I reckon around 80 yards. And the reason they found that is because they found my pants have to get this right for the American market my pants, my trousers.
46 00:06:07.140 –> 00:06:23.610 Karl Smith: And my underwear at 90 yards backwards. That’s where they found my close so so I laid there in a naked mess battered and bruised and God knows what else. I knew that something tragic happened, but I couldn’t quite get my head round, because a lot was going on in my head at the time.
47 00:06:24.090 –> 00:06:37.770 Karl Smith: And then I heard this massive revenue and then bang it comes in again and hits me again. But at least he did something to polite for me that night he drove me all the way home. He took me all the way over drop me off back home again. So he’s got. I thought I really wasn’t quite nice fella.
48 00:06:38.340 –> 00:06:43.050 Karl Smith: Oh yeah so um I burn marks. I’d say there’s damage to my
49 00:06:44.460 –> 00:06:52.050 Karl Smith: My Kelly’s was snapped move like that may have a heel bone with snap moon teller and he kept was jumping off to the wrong side. My to be figure dumb.
50 00:06:52.530 –> 00:07:02.250 Karl Smith: Female was flexed lumbar region was damaged wanted to appear got caught out as well forearms. We’ve done as well got tattoos on their to cover up scars. I wish I’d done it.
51 00:07:02.670 –> 00:07:07.950 Karl Smith: But on the same token, damage repair fractures. So yeah, you give me a complete mess so
52 00:07:08.670 –> 00:07:19.230 Karl Smith: I’m there. I was minding my own business in my front room on it. So I didn’t. The same thing and ended up getting run over twice in one sitting. So most people don’t do that. But most people don’t do that in their life. I managed to do it.
53 00:07:19.230 –> 00:07:19.650 Twice.
54 00:07:21.120 –> 00:07:21.810 Karl Smith: So when
55 00:07:22.500 –> 00:07:31.620 Karl Smith: We drove off and left me for dead ambulance crew turns up helicopters not turn up and and they want to search. And if they don’t find that they don’t find the car for two days.
56 00:07:32.310 –> 00:07:44.220 Karl Smith: I’m sorry. No, they found the car within two hours. They didn’t find the guy and for another two days, and he was he was in like what we call a pill box, he was hiding in what we used to have in the Second World War, big concrete tolerance.
57 00:07:44.910 –> 00:07:48.570 Karl Smith: On the beach front and all that law, he was he was hidden in those and
58 00:07:49.830 –> 00:07:55.020 Karl Smith: Get yeah they got him anyway. And the only good news or heard about it was is that they flush them out with a dog.
59 00:07:57.900 –> 00:07:59.190 Karl Smith: Person anyway.
60 00:08:00.330 –> 00:08:08.040 Karl Smith: Because that’d be annoying. But anyway, so when I started on the process of healing. So obviously body was in plaster casts end up coming out of hospital after a little bit of time.
61 00:08:09.600 –> 00:08:16.440 Karl Smith: And they gave me what’s called a pre gambling and terminal know if you don’t know what the US call is it traveled all over there.
62 00:08:16.710 –> 00:08:19.770 Kathy Gruver: At all. They gave me that from my back written lovely
63 00:08:20.340 –> 00:08:21.690 Kathy Gruver: That knocks me on my ass.
64 00:08:21.960 –> 00:08:26.190 Karl Smith: I’m going to talk about that in a moment because it’s an opiate based drug that makes you addicted and that comes up next.
65 00:08:26.280 –> 00:08:30.870 Kathy Gruver: Oh Tramadol is not an opiate it’s a narcotic but not least.
66 00:08:31.740 –> 00:08:33.990 Karl Smith: Yeah, anyway, whatever it is, it’s a
67 00:08:34.320 –> 00:08:35.520 Karl Smith: Lovely. Yeah.
68 00:08:37.590 –> 00:08:45.330 Karl Smith: And what happened was is that my physical pain was there, so they gave me the travel all over gambling and paracetamol and all that type of stuff to try and calm that down.
69 00:08:46.050 –> 00:09:00.990 Karl Smith: And then after a couple of months they realized that I wanted more Tramadol I was eating Tramadol like it is like it was really going out of fashion. And like I was just spaced out on it all the time. I just absolutely caned on. I was just literally just eaten it
70 00:09:02.190 –> 00:09:08.160 Karl Smith: Tramadol and jack Daniels where my coping mechanisms, because I didn’t know. So the
71 00:09:08.190 –> 00:09:10.440 Karl Smith: Police force with at the time. Got me sometimes.
72 00:09:10.920 –> 00:09:12.930 Kathy Gruver: When I ask you a question about that Carl so
73 00:09:13.290 –> 00:09:23.310 Kathy Gruver: What was going through your head at that point, I mean from an emotional standpoint. Did you feel like you’ve never get better. Did you have any emotion, because you’re recovering it up with them the meds Dominic What was going through your mind at that point.
74 00:09:23.670 –> 00:09:26.040 Karl Smith: But the key thing is, is that what happened was is
75 00:09:26.370 –> 00:09:37.260 Karl Smith: I didn’t know anything about hypnosis hypnotherapy clients and CVT, I mean, my experience in the military is if we saw anything that like ethnic cleansing or, you know, when we were in Kosovo, when we saw
76 00:09:37.680 –> 00:09:47.970 Karl Smith: Things that weren’t pleasant when we were in Northern Ireland we saw things that weren’t plays in the best way to get around it was drink lager. And that was what they did. They just gave you a logger. So I actually thought that there was no other way.
77 00:09:49.320 –> 00:09:50.160 Kathy Gruver: Covered all up.
78 00:09:50.340 –> 00:09:56.610 Karl Smith: Yeah, just my coping mechanism was you drink and eat Tramadol back visit and I thought, well, that that’s the rest of your life.
79 00:09:57.450 –> 00:10:05.580 Karl Smith: And and it went down that road there for a long time, then adopters. Right. No, you’re not having any more Tramadol I started kicking off at the doctors, bearing in mind them it
80 00:10:06.420 –> 00:10:14.370 Karl Smith: Was a happy go lucky fellow now. I mean, the doctors surgery threatening to punches phase three because he won’t give me any more Tramadol so now I’m now I’m
81 00:10:15.150 –> 00:10:24.660 Karl Smith: Basically a drug addict and that’s what happened. And so the force realized they were really good. The force of really good so they they got me a counselor. But before I start this
82 00:10:25.260 –> 00:10:36.180 Karl Smith: Counselor CVT is not a change workers. This is my personal opinion. I don’t believe that everyone shit but I’m not gonna, I’m not going to tell a story that makes saying crap. I went to a counselor and
83 00:10:37.200 –> 00:10:45.060 Karl Smith: And one of the first questions that was asked was, is it tell me how it feels to be run over and I sat down when. What did you just
84 00:10:46.080 –> 00:10:46.890 Jason Mefford: Hurts
85 00:10:47.970 –> 00:10:48.330 Jason Mefford: Say,
86 00:10:48.360 –> 00:10:58.320 Karl Smith: What did you just say to me, anyway. But tell me what it feels like to be one over and over and I got really angry. Anyway, I’ll see you. You’ve got lots of anger and I went that excuse me people. I’m not gonna say, I said that
87 00:10:59.460 –> 00:11:13.350 Karl Smith: I’m not fucking angry about the car accident. I’m not angry you because you’ve just done something. It didn’t need to be done. You didn’t he wasn’t necessary for that. And so anyway, I had a brazen right with Him threaten to fill him in a friendly give him.
88 00:11:13.920 –> 00:11:15.360 Karl Smith: Give me some as well and I was
89 00:11:16.170 –> 00:11:23.790 Karl Smith: And now looking back, I was justified, I may have gone over the top, but I was justified in what I said, I believe, is that it was a poor performance from anyway they
90 00:11:24.120 –> 00:11:31.170 Karl Smith: Got rid of that one. And he went to see BT cognitive behavioral therapy or cognitive behavioral torture it whatever you want to talk, talk about it.
91 00:11:32.400 –> 00:11:32.610 Kathy Gruver: So,
92 00:11:32.670 –> 00:11:38.790 Karl Smith: What happened was I just couldn’t go around in circles are just getting going in circles and that and all I can do is getting worse and worse and worse and
93 00:11:39.060 –> 00:11:47.970 Karl Smith: I swear I’m not doing any of that. So film and life was over. I really did. I felt like I’ve been pretty sleepy taping for the counseling. Next stop, really jump off a big frame bridge.
94 00:11:48.630 –> 00:12:01.980 Karl Smith: So I went off, nobody wanted to go do that. So I drove off drink a bottle of jack Daniels. I’m going to throw myself a bridge, but that’s Kathy knows me well. Anyway, I’m not stupid that I couldn’t even get over the bridge power pick due to the fact that jacket got caught.
95 00:12:02.430 –> 00:12:13.350 Karl Smith: And then, and then, long story short is is it two hands come over the top Ramsey serving police officer that see me on CCTV trying to get over a bridge parapet over the PowerPoint over
96 00:12:13.860 –> 00:12:27.720 Karl Smith: And anyone in England. If you look at the all well bridge the bridge. That was one of Toronto good for, for I think it’s about 400 foot drop it anywhere. I know that much other than more than tourists me ankle. Anyway, so, so
97 00:12:29.550 –> 00:12:36.210 Karl Smith: I’ve got dragged over a couple of cars turned up and then they were like Jesus, you know, his car. What the fuck is going on here, what you know.
98 00:12:36.750 –> 00:12:46.290 Karl Smith: This is the happy go lucky car. He’s now you know. And anyway, so the job decided to up it down and just helped me out a little bit more because I didn’t know where to go. I didn’t know what to look at
99 00:12:46.980 –> 00:12:54.120 Karl Smith: And then a fellow police officer who was a hypnotist said I’ll intervene. Well, actually I think the forsake. Can you go over and go see call
100 00:12:54.900 –> 00:13:03.210 Karl Smith: The Long story short, is he came around and he talked to me about hypnosis and I’m like I mentioned at very beginning I’m from a seaside town. So the only thing that I had in my head.
101 00:13:03.510 –> 00:13:09.750 Karl Smith: Was the stage performance stage hypnotist you’re going to start shooting square eggs that type of stuff and and
102 00:13:10.320 –> 00:13:15.120 Karl Smith: And that’s what I had in my head. And it’s so he educated me he educated me and said, No, no, no, no.
103 00:13:15.540 –> 00:13:22.710 Karl Smith: Hypnosis is next on our end alright and but I’m not sure about it because I’m come from a very alpha male background.
104 00:13:23.070 –> 00:13:35.970 Karl Smith: Very alpha, you know, firearms tactics guns. All that type stuff, you know, and stiff upper lip, old boy and what type of stuff we don’t men don’t talk about their shirts, you know, men don’t talk about this. So anyway,
105 00:13:36.450 –> 00:13:42.240 Karl Smith: I thought what he’s a fellow police officer is give it a crack and the first session.
106 00:13:43.230 –> 00:13:53.400 Karl Smith: Didn’t go it went well. But my brothers in my resistance was still a lot to degree what but then he said, well, let’s have a go next week. Then, and when he came over the second time.
107 00:13:53.970 –> 00:14:06.300 Karl Smith: He really did get me and what I mean, he got me. It was like Mount Vesuvius being pulled and just go walking the whole lot images feelings, thoughts, emotions, things that I hadn’t seen
108 00:14:06.630 –> 00:14:19.110 Karl Smith: For decades, even from when I was a child, but coming up. I mean, I had a great break. I had a great you know my parents were great, you know, they love this daily. I’ve got the boot and he asked, you know, who didn’t as a kid.
109 00:14:20.040 –> 00:14:27.120 Karl Smith: Climbing up next door neighbors trees and thrown apples and you’re going to get a kick in the backside, aren’t you, but you know a normal, I would say quite a normal childhood.
110 00:14:28.950 –> 00:14:33.090 Jason Mefford: And let me jump in and ask you about that because you know you said there was resistance in your first
111 00:14:33.090 –> 00:14:33.540 Karl Smith: Session.
112 00:14:34.380 –> 00:14:45.330 Jason Mefford: Yeah. And so I’m guessing you know as far as because in order to get it to have hypnosis actually work. You have to actually kind of go through that induction period and actually
113 00:14:45.690 –> 00:14:56.400 Jason Mefford: It kind of relax. Right. So is that kind of what you’re talking about is your resistance was, well, I’m still not sure about this. And so, you weren’t able to actually get into the right state for it. The first
114 00:14:56.400 –> 00:14:56.730 Jason Mefford: Thing.
115 00:14:57.180 –> 00:15:08.550 Karl Smith: That and that’s key to what I do nowadays. My job is to educate people to to what they may experience what it feels like how it may go what they might do what goes on as well. Whereas, whereas the Bitly
116 00:15:08.880 –> 00:15:15.720 Karl Smith: Even though he was a game and I mean this. That was the bit and I was like, no, no. There was something inside going. Don’t let go. Don’t go there.
117 00:15:15.780 –> 00:15:16.200 Karl Smith: Don’t go
118 00:15:17.160 –> 00:15:20.430 Karl Smith: You don’t go in a, you know, don’t leave it alone and and
119 00:15:21.000 –> 00:15:30.510 Karl Smith: I felt I wasn’t prepared properly for. So when I was sitting there and he was talking me through and just doing stuff. I felt like I couldn’t, I couldn’t do it.
120 00:15:30.930 –> 00:15:35.820 Karl Smith: And so the next time he said what after when we did the debrief on that on the first one.
121 00:15:36.420 –> 00:15:42.990 Karl Smith: I was waiting to come back and the second time is when he got me. And that was when he really really did hammer home what you could experience.
122 00:15:43.290 –> 00:15:52.470 Karl Smith: You’ve got nothing to fear karmic down lots of speech patterns and lots of different things that he did for me and you know he really did really do go to Tyrone me and
123 00:15:53.160 –> 00:16:03.840 Karl Smith: So yeah, became me. I was able to relax more, I was able to just go right is do. This is the key thing about any change work is accepting is accepting that it can it can happen.
124 00:16:04.230 –> 00:16:11.520 Karl Smith: And the will to let it happen the first time when he went to do it. I don’t believe I was ready for it. I hadn’t committed myself to it.
125 00:16:11.970 –> 00:16:18.060 Karl Smith: Whereas the second time I went non committed. Now I’m committed, I want this to go away. I can keep going like this young children.
126 00:16:18.900 –> 00:16:29.520 Karl Smith: So it’s the same as any change work is I was just discussing with somebody that while ago, but stop smoking. Somebody says, they want to try and stop smoking. I’ll send them away. I don’t want to work with them when they told me they will do it and they will
127 00:16:29.910 –> 00:16:35.070 Karl Smith: give up smoking and they’re ready to start doing our work them same principle really and
128 00:16:35.100 –> 00:16:46.650 Kathy Gruver: So that brings up an interesting point. So the first time you had it. You’re a little resistant. You did you find that, and now you could probably wouldn’t have known this at the moment, but looking back on it. Were you having secondary gain from being so stuck.
129 00:16:46.980 –> 00:16:53.970 Kathy Gruver: Front. I mean, were you getting attention from people were you not having to work where you work, was there a benefit for you to stay stuck and depressed and drinking and
130 00:16:55.140 –> 00:17:06.300 Karl Smith: No, I don’t know. I don’t know what you mean by that, about about the gaining. No, I don’t. Because I changed so much within myself, I’ve gone from, you know, going into
131 00:17:07.080 –> 00:17:12.120 Karl Smith: You know, going in. I’m gonna laugh and a joke. I love my job. I really did. I wasn’t, I wasn’t an article in the police.
132 00:17:12.330 –> 00:17:23.130 Karl Smith: Be an ex military I had a bit of street cred, you know, a little bit street thing on there. I’d rather grab people throw them in the back of a cab driver my boot Matney their own, you know, just go from there. But I love it. I really
133 00:17:23.670 –> 00:17:29.610 Karl Smith: Really did I used to love my job like that. So when we really wanted to get back. I just, there was a brick wall just wouldn’t
134 00:17:30.150 –> 00:17:47.550 Karl Smith: Come back in. So I don’t believe at the time. I think I realized, deep down that jack Daniels was gonna room. I think my son was the biggest thing Ross my elbow, he’s the biggest driver for me because he was coming in. EVERY DAY, AND DADDY WAS JUST A PIECE. I don’t know.
135 00:17:47.880 –> 00:17:51.540 Karl Smith: Just a drunk on it on a couch when he hadn’t been had been running and
136 00:17:51.660 –> 00:17:55.380 Karl Smith: Swimming and doing this and doing that and been active, you know, support in
137 00:17:55.830 –> 00:18:03.900 Karl Smith: You know, we had we bought an allotment, you know, an allotment like a lump, a land where they were. We could do like small potatoes and all that type stuff, you know, just
138 00:18:04.410 –> 00:18:12.660 Karl Smith: Is our hobby mine in a zombie that all just went blown out the window and strangely enough, I just wanted to get back into that, just so I could do it.
139 00:18:13.200 –> 00:18:20.610 Karl Smith: So yeah, so the second time the second time on the hypnosis buying the whole lot came out the whole lot. And that’s where we’re accumulated
140 00:18:21.030 –> 00:18:30.660 Karl Smith: Post trauma is not about one event post traumatic stress disorder or post trauma is not about one event post trauma or post traumatic stress disorder, if you want to call it that name.
141 00:18:31.140 –> 00:18:41.580 Karl Smith: Is about accumulated stress factors post trauma doesn’t happen because of one event like a car accident. It happens. It happens because of a series of events that happened prior to that, that’s just the catalyst
142 00:18:41.850 –> 00:18:49.830 Karl Smith: So in my case, you know, little things when I was younger, that came up there were nothing spectacular, but little things my subconscious unconscious monkey brain.
143 00:18:50.040 –> 00:18:59.910 Karl Smith: Had decided to hold on to until eventually the pressure cooker. And if you look at a pressure that you’ll get a pressure cooker. You put a little bit of fluid at the bottom of it where you fight, flight, freeze mechanism states.
144 00:19:00.270 –> 00:19:09.690 Karl Smith: And that little bit of fluid sits at the bottom. And that’s the bit that keeps you alive. But then we apply the heat of life, and then the pressure starts to build within the pressure cooker until eventually
145 00:19:10.110 –> 00:19:18.390 Karl Smith: At one thing, one thing will tip it over the edge and go and make it go bang and it just won’t stop it will just keep the heat on the heat will stay on a pressure cooker.
146 00:19:18.600 –> 00:19:23.430 Karl Smith: And that’s the way a little post trauma and it’s not until you turn the heat alive down underneath the part
147 00:19:23.550 –> 00:19:32.160 Karl Smith: That the pressure subsides and then the pressure starts to come down again, and that’s that’s the way that I look at post on a very simple metaphor analogy that is just
148 00:19:33.330 –> 00:19:41.640 Karl Smith: And so what happened was is my pressure cooker blue and it all within one session. I was not on sorted and
149 00:19:42.270 –> 00:19:55.050 Karl Smith: You know, and, and I only took a couple more sessions really to get my my backside back online, really. And a lot of people can’t believe how quickly. I’ve done it afterwards as well. I had to do some recalibration in the own body and get yourself sorted, but you know, I’m
150 00:19:55.320 –> 00:20:01.920 Jason Mefford: On I think that analogy of the pressure cooker that you just used as important for people to get again. So to kind of like
151 00:20:02.370 –> 00:20:07.050 Jason Mefford: Summarize again and hit home to people because what you said, you know, PTSD, it’s about
152 00:20:07.050 –> 00:20:08.670 Jason Mefford: Accumulated stress factors.
153 00:20:08.880 –> 00:20:09.180 Karl Smith: Yeah.
154 00:20:09.420 –> 00:20:15.870 Jason Mefford: And there’s usually one event that ends up being the catalyst that, like you said, Just makes us lose our ship. Right. Yeah.
155 00:20:16.170 –> 00:20:25.350 Jason Mefford: Yeah, and and a lot of, you know, traditional talk therapy or other stuff even like what you talked about to begin with, you know, the guys like how does it feel to get run over. It’s like, what the
156 00:20:25.350 –> 00:20:27.300 Jason Mefford: Fuck are you tell you it hurts, right.
157 00:20:27.570 –> 00:20:30.570 Jason Mefford: Yeah, you know, he’s focusing on that one particular
158 00:20:30.630 –> 00:20:31.530 Jason Mefford: Event.
159 00:20:31.620 –> 00:20:36.840 Jason Mefford: That was the catalyst. But like you said when you opened up. It wasn’t just that event, it was
160 00:20:36.840 –> 00:20:37.620 Jason Mefford: All of this
161 00:20:37.680 –> 00:20:38.790 Jason Mefford: Other stuff.
162 00:20:39.180 –> 00:20:42.870 Jason Mefford: That came out that that only something like hypnosis can actually
163 00:20:43.500 –> 00:20:45.450 Jason Mefford: Help you get to at a subconscious level.
164 00:20:45.930 –> 00:20:47.340 Karl Smith: And I think and i think i think
165 00:20:48.630 –> 00:20:54.570 Karl Smith: I think that’s why I loved hypnosis so much because it was just a direct line of sight straight into the subconscious unconscious monkey brain.
166 00:20:54.870 –> 00:20:58.290 Karl Smith: And so I always say that because depending on what country I’m working. But the thing is, is it
167 00:20:58.590 –> 00:21:07.470 Karl Smith: It goes direct in and it allows the subconscious unconscious to let go. It says right you’ve got this and not my job, then, is to negotiate and go okay
168 00:21:07.800 –> 00:21:18.090 Karl Smith: We’re here now let’s let go of any negativity or right and i don’t mind all my sessions is direct and if any of my viewers want you know interested in learning. I’ve got a YouTube channel, it’s all free and go learn on
169 00:21:18.390 –> 00:21:19.350 Kathy Gruver: Such great stuff.
170 00:21:19.710 –> 00:21:25.050 Karl Smith: And and you’ll see me work, especially with trauma. And the key thing is is that
171 00:21:25.950 –> 00:21:35.340 Karl Smith: Is that if you if you allow the subconscious unconscious monkey brain to do what it wants to do not work with forcing it what we think it to do, then that’s when it works better. That’s why.
172 00:21:35.850 –> 00:21:37.470 Karl Smith: Some talk therapies don’t work.
173 00:21:37.800 –> 00:21:47.460 Karl Smith: And that’s why some hypnotist hypnotherapist don’t get it right, because what they’re doing is they’re forcing their metaphors and analogies into a scenario that that that the client subconscious going, I don’t get it.
174 00:21:47.730 –> 00:21:54.630 Karl Smith: I just don’t get it already don’t get it. What sandy bloody beach. What about waterfall piss off and and that’s what he’s doing.
175 00:21:54.960 –> 00:21:56.520 Karl Smith: And mine very content free.
176 00:21:58.860 –> 00:22:08.100 Karl Smith: I work around I walk around content free hypnosis, because if we work on the premise. The issue is never the issue any therapist worth their weight in gold will tell you now.
177 00:22:08.730 –> 00:22:18.000 Karl Smith: Is when a client walks in the door, the issue that they tell you is very, it is not the issue that actually the thing that’s playing them up.
178 00:22:18.390 –> 00:22:18.960 Karl Smith: Never is
179 00:22:19.080 –> 00:22:27.270 Karl Smith: I’ve got anxiety. But when you peel back the layers, it’s got nothing to do with that it’s got nothing to do with it whatsoever. So the issue is never the issue. So as a hypnotist
180 00:22:27.600 –> 00:22:36.570 Karl Smith: My job is to draw that information straight out of this part here directly without this. Now, some people may find this really weird if you watch some more videos
181 00:22:37.260 –> 00:22:50.160 Karl Smith: My consultations last me less than five minutes, I’m going to get an acid to ascertain any contraindications it ready to go for it and them are in. I’m not even gonna bother asking them to verbalize it. Don’t even bother. There’s no point to treatment.
182 00:22:51.180 –> 00:22:57.000 Kathy Gruver: And I’ve seen you do some demos where you just have the person you like step into that.
183 00:22:57.720 –> 00:23:06.540 Kathy Gruver: Light and just deal with the trauma and you just say the Trump. You don’t even have to name it. It’s not the rape. It’s not the child abuse is not it’s you just, it’s just the trauma.
184 00:23:06.780 –> 00:23:14.610 Kathy Gruver: And whatever comes out in that because I’ve had the same thing with clients they think it’s a sugar addiction and in reality as I had to do with a sugar addiction. It has to do with
185 00:23:14.910 –> 00:23:25.380 Kathy Gruver: When they felt secure as a kid, their dad would bring them cake. So now they look at cake as this comforting thing that everything’s okay. It’s not about the sugar. It’s about that comfort of everything’s okay
186 00:23:25.710 –> 00:23:32.100 Kathy Gruver: And it’s like you kind of have to distill I do a little more distilling down, but I know you just dive right in and do it and it’s it’s fabulous. So
187 00:23:32.190 –> 00:23:37.680 Kathy Gruver: Can kinetic shift is just about the deals with more than just trauma though right kinetic shift, which is that what you teach
188 00:23:38.220 –> 00:23:47.430 Karl Smith: Oh yeah so well I think teacher different realms of it. I teach content for hypnosis work with MS emergency services type stuff because that’s my background. And then also, as well.
189 00:23:47.700 –> 00:23:57.120 Karl Smith: I teach kinetic shift which is nothing new is seven modalities that have been brought together. And it’s about the Prestige, the way that is delivered because hypnosis is about procedure. Lot of people don’t get this.
190 00:23:57.390 –> 00:24:00.630 Karl Smith: Is that they think that just because they’re a hypnotist. They can just stand there and just walk away.
191 00:24:01.050 –> 00:24:06.960 Karl Smith: Well, they have a script and think all things going to happen at your own if you’ve been taught the script, you need to get away from him because there’s just garbage.
192 00:24:07.260 –> 00:24:11.670 Karl Smith: But the thing is, is that my job is to show people how to get to that center point.
193 00:24:12.450 –> 00:24:20.640 Karl Smith: With with with hypnosis and then use in several techniques to then go straight in and and rip Apple and drag it out knew what they need to do.
194 00:24:20.880 –> 00:24:28.950 Karl Smith: And that’s why it’s so effective because I’m not, I’m not listening to any cognitive I’m not listening to any verbal ization of what they’re going to tell me and I. Some people like oh
195 00:24:29.310 –> 00:24:35.460 Karl Smith: My god, that’s disgusting. You should listen to the client. Well, no, my clients come to me because they know they’re going to get the doors blown off.
196 00:24:35.760 –> 00:24:50.430 Karl Smith: If people want unicorns and and and lovely, lovely little nobody else at the bottom. They garden. They can go somewhere else. If somebody wants to doors blown off. They come see me and that’s the reason I project myself is the post new very direct a direct analytics.
197 00:24:50.700 –> 00:24:51.360 Karl Smith: And I’m
198 00:24:52.020 –> 00:24:58.080 Karl Smith: very bloody direct and the thing is that people love that and people want that. And that’s what who I attract
199 00:24:58.140 –> 00:24:59.010 Kathy Gruver: Those who wants to go.
200 00:24:59.370 –> 00:25:03.690 Karl Smith: You know, play with elves at the bottom. The garden or good luck to brilliant, but on the same token,
201 00:25:04.530 –> 00:25:18.630 Karl Smith: You know, so people come to me for that. So when I’m teaching. And when I’m delivering. It’s a very direct form is a very, very direct and connected shift and hypnosis or just different modalities metaphors and models for me to use really to get in there.
202 00:25:19.830 –> 00:25:26.130 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and you’re amazing. I mean, I’ve seen you were walking on Santa Monica Pier before trapeze or after trapeze.
203 00:25:27.210 –> 00:25:27.660 Kathy Gruver: Before
204 00:25:28.260 –> 00:25:41.370 Kathy Gruver: And you just, you know, you have a you always have a shirt on tends to be pink. The tell the tells everybody your hypnotist. And so, of course, people are stopping you would going on a little bit and you took this guy under we recorded it. It was so brilliant, but yeah.
205 00:25:41.430 –> 00:25:43.830 Kathy Gruver: He was just he was gone in a matter of seconds. It was amazing.
206 00:25:44.190 –> 00:25:50.460 Karl Smith: Some of the YouTube channel, what you find with hypnosis is the pre talk, it’s got nothing to do with the induction. So as soon as they see this
207 00:25:51.180 –> 00:25:59.490 Karl Smith: Soon as soon as they see this three things are going to happen soon as they see hypnotist on there. One is, they’re going to say show me something. Now, the other is a sock, leave me alone. Don’t come near me.
208 00:25:59.670 –> 00:26:08.220 Karl Smith: Or the third one is is bugger off and you watch them like a boomerang I call them boomerangs that are ones in pubs and clubs, they got that they go away and then all sudden, they
209 00:26:09.660 –> 00:26:17.100 Karl Smith: Run their and their subconscious unconscious monkey brains go please show me. Please show me. Please show me the conversations go no, don’t do it.
210 00:26:17.370 –> 00:26:22.350 Karl Smith: But they do they come back, and they’re brutal because they cook straight away, but we’re inhibiting T shirts like this.
211 00:26:23.100 –> 00:26:31.920 Karl Smith: Built my career know when done and like that that Santa Monica. We were getting a coffee in a hurry or summer camp. No, not a burrito. We’re, we’re getting a Pareto principle. I think that would
213 00:26:33.120 –> 00:26:40.680 Karl Smith: I’m still stood there like that stood there like that and when are you going to taste here. I’m going to hypnotize Joe and will come here. So just handed to the camera. My
214 00:26:40.710 –> 00:26:41.160 Coffee and
215 00:26:42.570 –> 00:26:44.160 Karl Smith: All that shit. I’m gonna drop this little monkey.
216 00:26:44.670 –> 00:26:51.060 Karl Smith: For what he’s doing. Really, and I just literally just did it there and now it’s about the prestigious the bank that we can deliver it.
217 00:26:51.720 –> 00:26:56.580 Karl Smith: And a lot of people say, Well, I don’t do stage hypnosis. And I won’t go near and I won’t do performance and I won’t
218 00:26:57.060 –> 00:27:05.100 Karl Smith: And stage hypnotist just ruin it. But we have to look at that, that some of the most predominant stage hypnotist you know
219 00:27:05.850 –> 00:27:15.930 Karl Smith: Are actually the most successful. And I would say that that having that performance element and prestige element to your sessions is fundamental to being a successful hypnotist
220 00:27:16.230 –> 00:27:24.870 Karl Smith: I really not unless you’re like James Hazel Reagan you love telling stories and bringing, bringing even still, he adds prestige to the way that he delivers it
221 00:27:25.110 –> 00:27:25.740 Karl Smith: The way least
222 00:27:25.800 –> 00:27:32.100 Karl Smith: Telling the story in the way he enunciate the words that still prestige. He made an offer my to me.
223 00:27:32.370 –> 00:27:42.240 Karl Smith: But the theatrical that come with a very important and that’s where I. That’s what I like teaching people that the actual part that makes them go make the client believe something fundamental has just happened.
224 00:27:43.140 –> 00:27:43.410 Jason Mefford: Well,
225 00:27:43.590 –> 00:27:44.190 Jason Mefford: We actually
226 00:27:44.640 –> 00:27:46.380 Kathy Gruver: Was it. We had James on the show talking about
227 00:27:46.380 –> 00:27:47.610 Kathy Gruver: Storytelling that you’ve
228 00:27:48.210 –> 00:27:49.320 Kathy Gruver: Got Jason
229 00:27:49.680 –> 00:27:52.230 Jason Mefford: Well, I was gonna ask because because you you
230 00:27:52.560 –> 00:28:02.490 Jason Mefford: I’m still learning. Okay, so obviously Kathy’s and you are years ahead of me but but one of the things that you’ve just said there was pre talk not induction.
231 00:28:03.090 –> 00:28:13.320 Jason Mefford: So can you, because again, what, what’s kind of the difference, because I know you said you you kind of go in fast, right. And a lot of people, you know, I’ve heard the term induction, you know,
232 00:28:13.800 –> 00:28:25.230 Jason Mefford: You know you’re walking downstairs and everything else. Right. And so you kind of relaxing that’s more kind of what induction is versus I think what you’re talking about a self talk or what, what’s the difference. Help me understand
233 00:28:25.950 –> 00:28:29.640 Kathy Gruver: How you’re going to be the I’m a Capricorn for a second, we’ve run out of time.
234 00:28:30.390 –> 00:28:31.050 Ah,
235 00:28:32.160 –> 00:28:41.100 Kathy Gruver: So that’s a very good question, Jason. I also want to hear about magnetic fingers because I know Carl based a lot of his career on that. And we’ve never talked about that. Why don’t we
236 00:28:41.730 –> 00:28:52.110 Kathy Gruver: Let everyone go and then we’ll come back for another episode and then we’ll talk about all this good stuff because I want to keep having this conversation, but I don’t want this to go way past what we’re supposed to. Yes.
237 00:28:52.620 –> 00:28:55.320 Jason Mefford: It’s kind of like you got to come back for the next episode right look
238 00:28:55.320 –> 00:28:56.490 Kathy Gruver: At a commercial break that
239 00:28:57.960 –> 00:28:58.920 Kathy Gruver: Well, I have to pay
241 00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.790 Jason Mefford: Yeah, cuz I wanna, I want to dig into this a little bit further and understand
242 00:29:05.820 –> 00:29:13.740 Jason Mefford: Again for my my own benefit as well, but also I think everybody else is going to find this really interesting to understand
243 00:29:14.040 –> 00:29:15.240 Jason Mefford: Some more how it works.
244 00:29:15.720 –> 00:29:27.990 Karl Smith: On the next episode, we’ll go talk about then is the five five elements of the way that I teach, and the way that your students can go away. On the next episode, I put this into practice and be faster and more efficient and confident
245 00:29:28.890 –> 00:29:31.590 Kathy Gruver: Yeah. Beautiful. All right, Carl working everybody find you.
246 00:29:33.000 –> 00:29:46.920 Karl Smith: wiki hypnosis academy.com so UK hypnosis Academy. There you go. So if you type in you. If you go to a YouTube channel. It’s UK hypnosis Academy and just subscribe on their videos every day. Anything from St.
247 00:29:46.950 –> 00:29:52.710 Karl Smith: Performance to amazing clinical medical post trauma inductions blah, blah, blah.
248 00:29:53.640 –> 00:29:58.650 Kathy Gruver: I love the one on blah, blah, blah. It’s really good. Okay, I’m Kathy Gruber. I can be reached at Kathy Griffin calm.
249 00:29:59.040 –> 00:30:07.980 Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so make sure and check out the future episode because we got lots of good stuff with Carl coming up. So, yeah.
Have you ever experienced a “Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day” like the character Alexander from the classic children’s book? Karl Smith has.
Learn how the worst day of Karl’s life led him to hypnotherapy as a way to deal with significant pain and trauma and transformed his life. Hear his story of going from a career in the army to the police force as a SWOT / firearms specialist led him to a career in hypnotherapy and helping eliminate the pain and trauma in his clients.
The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.
1 00:00:00.870 –> 00:00:04.980 Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the podcast, I’m your co host Jason method.
2 00:00:05.250 –> 00:00:08.160 Kathy Gruver: And I’m Cathy Cooper and we are thrilled to have another amazing
3 00:00:09.780 –> 00:00:12.300 Kathy Gruver: Show. Today, all the way from the UK Carl
4 00:00:14.969 –> 00:00:15.690 Karl Smith: How are you
5 00:00:16.049 –> 00:00:16.740 Jason Mefford: Good, good, good.
6 00:00:19.980 –> 00:00:28.140 Kathy Gruver: So Carl has not only an amazing program that he teaches, but he’s got a pretty unique background as to how he got into hypnosis, as we all do we have a history.
7 00:00:28.620 –> 00:00:37.410 Kathy Gruver: But Carl, we’re hoping you could share a little bit of your story and about overcoming and trauma and all sorts of stuff like that. So go ahead and dive in and we’ll have a bunch of questions for you.
8 00:00:37.830 –> 00:00:47.790 Karl Smith: Yeah. Cool. So again, thanks very much guys for having a song. So for the view is what I’m gonna do is I’m going to take you through a journey of how the worst day of my life became the best day of my life so
9 00:00:48.600 –> 00:01:00.450 Karl Smith: I’m from a small rural town in England on the East Coast. I live. Actually, I live close to Holland on my family house is closer to Holland is London. That’s how close I am on fire. I am on the east coast.
10 00:01:00.840 –> 00:01:11.520 Karl Smith: And yeah, so it’s quite a small rural town, nothing much, really going on a tip officiate and you know the Old Harbor thing that went on as a kid, nothing really inspired me and always wanted to join the army so
11 00:01:12.390 –> 00:01:24.480 Karl Smith: I spent all my youth, not given not caring about school. I’ll be brutally honest, it was like, yeah, fried exam papers away and causing as much trouble as I could because I’ve made my mind up where I was going to go so
12 00:01:25.920 –> 00:01:32.940 Karl Smith: When I when I finished a couple of apprenticeships, it was still going through my head that I want to join the army and I did. And eventually I did join the army.
13 00:01:33.360 –> 00:01:47.910 Karl Smith: And I did 12 years in the British Army and I went to all the places that your policy representatives definitely won’t send you to do. I’ve been to all the sandy places I’ve been Kosovo’s the balls me is the bulk inside of things that on the Afghan tours, they’ve done the
14 00:01:49.440 –> 00:01:57.750 Karl Smith: The Iraq stuff. And what else have I done northern islands. I’ve done all of that. So I came out on a lot of
15 00:01:58.050 –> 00:02:03.060 Karl Smith: Lot of different tools, I’d seen the worst of humanity and obviously the best of humanity as well so
16 00:02:03.360 –> 00:02:15.420 Karl Smith: I’ve seen some really good human humanitarian type of things but also seen ethnic cleansing on the same side. So I’d seen a lot of stuff in my, in my time I’ve been shut up blown up spot on paste on any time.
18 00:02:18.600 –> 00:02:20.100 Jason Mefford: I was gonna say that’s reading at the pub.
19 00:02:20.100 –> 00:02:22.470 Karl Smith: Right, yeah. I am for me.
20 00:02:23.640 –> 00:02:25.830 Karl Smith: I just locked myself away and do that stuff, but the
21 00:02:27.240 –> 00:02:35.220 Karl Smith: I yeah so I bet I did 12 years and, you know, I loved it, but I just had enough. I’ve got burnt out from it all and I decided to leave. So I planned.
22 00:02:36.060 –> 00:02:40.290 Karl Smith: In my head that I was going to leave. And what happened was is
23 00:02:40.950 –> 00:02:51.120 Karl Smith: About a year. Right. So you have to give a rocky years. Notice, really, when you’re in the military, just to say you’re going to come out so you sign off, and when I signed off and then apply to join the UK, one of the UK police forces.
24 00:02:52.290 –> 00:03:05.280 Karl Smith: So what happened was, as it came along came along and I planned it and planned it and with some great bosses in the Army they realized that there was going to be a bit of overlap. So I left the army on the third of sep tember and joined the place on the fifth of September.
25 00:03:05.520 –> 00:03:07.770 Karl Smith: So that was continuity for you. Yeah, so
26 00:03:08.040 –> 00:03:18.720 Karl Smith: Have Royal Highness Queen Elizabeth, she can pay me money for 24 all my career. So basically I left on the Friday had the Saturday off to one pack pack and wash and then leave on
27 00:03:19.170 –> 00:03:23.730 Karl Smith: Sunday to go to the place where I was joining So note there was. It was never
28 00:03:24.330 –> 00:03:39.270 Karl Smith: It was never ending. So I joined the police force and I thoroughly enjoyed it and I went through and then became a swat Officer for the UK people a firearms officer for our friends overseas is SWAT officers. So just put a differentiation in there. I was dealing with all the high end
29 00:03:39.270 –> 00:03:46.530 Karl Smith: Tactics. So I was doing all that all the the tactical stuff around cars building entries, all that type of stuff. So I was
30 00:03:46.890 –> 00:03:52.710 Karl Smith: You know, kiddo. And we were doing some really high end tactical stuff and really good fun. And I loved it. And then I became an instructor
31 00:03:53.550 –> 00:04:03.570 Karl Smith: I became what they call a national FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR so I was teaching people how to do these tactics and how to do the firearms and how to do all that. So I shoot teach people how to shoot pistols.
32 00:04:04.680 –> 00:04:12.990 Karl Smith: Long rifles tactics on cars tactics on buildings tactics aircraft, you name it. I did all that and it was brilliant. I loved it, but then
33 00:04:13.470 –> 00:04:22.050 Karl Smith: What happened was is it in on August the fourth 2006 2006 2006 what happened was is that I just got home from
34 00:04:22.560 –> 00:04:29.070 Karl Smith: From being on duty or still in my my uniform. I was minding my own business WALKED IN THE DOORS greeted by my little in
35 00:04:29.520 –> 00:04:32.730 Karl Smith: And I did something that I don’t normally do I do now, Kathy knows
36 00:04:33.090 –> 00:04:42.060 Karl Smith: But I’ve walked in and I grabbed a beer I don’t drink it wasn’t on June the next don’t always out in my head. You never drink the night before God just one of those things you don’t want to
37 00:04:42.480 –> 00:04:55.470 Karl Smith: Read on a couple of share that, you know, every couple of drinks is no point. So I finished my shifts pop talking about certainly drinking away and the next minute is an almighty crash at the front and and I was like,
38 00:04:57.510 –> 00:05:05.100 Karl Smith: That. So I went outside went into police mode, while certainly my net and there we are in in our front in the front of our house is our next door’s
39 00:05:05.460 –> 00:05:18.900 Karl Smith: Is a Mitsubishi call, which is, I think, is a European Car anyways me species short four seater car. Anyway, run around the front and I went to the right side of the card, ladies and gentlemen, we went from
40 00:05:20.310 –> 00:05:21.900 Karl Smith: Yeah we designed this shit so
41 00:05:23.250 –> 00:05:30.480 Karl Smith: I went ran to the driver side that makes it easier when it ran to the driver side they make when I’m doing the explanation. After explain us what I’m using my left hand side.
42 00:05:31.470 –> 00:05:40.140 Karl Smith: Here. Well, and I noticed there was a young lad in there but I noticed there was a young lad in there right hand on the steering wheel for some unforeseen reason. I don’t know why did it. I just did.
43 00:05:40.500 –> 00:05:48.450 Karl Smith: A wrap my head around it. And then I tried to help in the best I could from driving off and I was hitting him I was head button in three the window of doing everything
44 00:05:48.780 –> 00:05:57.600 Karl Smith: The current wheels was still spinning and there was people screaming around me. I was doing the best I could, but unfortunately the brick wall collapsed track me underneath the car. They dragged me
45 00:05:58.320 –> 00:06:06.660 Karl Smith: They reckon I reckon around 80 yards. And the reason they found that is because they found my pants have to get this right for the American market my pants, my trousers.
46 00:06:07.140 –> 00:06:23.610 Karl Smith: And my underwear at 90 yards backwards. That’s where they found my close so so I laid there in a naked mess battered and bruised and God knows what else. I knew that something tragic happened, but I couldn’t quite get my head round, because a lot was going on in my head at the time.
47 00:06:24.090 –> 00:06:37.770 Karl Smith: And then I heard this massive revenue and then bang it comes in again and hits me again. But at least he did something to polite for me that night he drove me all the way home. He took me all the way over drop me off back home again. So he’s got. I thought I really wasn’t quite nice fella.
48 00:06:38.340 –> 00:06:43.050 Karl Smith: Oh yeah so um I burn marks. I’d say there’s damage to my
49 00:06:44.460 –> 00:06:52.050 Karl Smith: My Kelly’s was snapped move like that may have a heel bone with snap moon teller and he kept was jumping off to the wrong side. My to be figure dumb.
50 00:06:52.530 –> 00:07:02.250 Karl Smith: Female was flexed lumbar region was damaged wanted to appear got caught out as well forearms. We’ve done as well got tattoos on their to cover up scars. I wish I’d done it.
51 00:07:02.670 –> 00:07:07.950 Karl Smith: But on the same token, damage repair fractures. So yeah, you give me a complete mess so
52 00:07:08.670 –> 00:07:19.230 Karl Smith: I’m there. I was minding my own business in my front room on it. So I didn’t. The same thing and ended up getting run over twice in one sitting. So most people don’t do that. But most people don’t do that in their life. I managed to do it.
53 00:07:19.230 –> 00:07:19.650 Twice.
54 00:07:21.120 –> 00:07:21.810 Karl Smith: So when
55 00:07:22.500 –> 00:07:31.620 Karl Smith: We drove off and left me for dead ambulance crew turns up helicopters not turn up and and they want to search. And if they don’t find that they don’t find the car for two days.
56 00:07:32.310 –> 00:07:44.220 Karl Smith: I’m sorry. No, they found the car within two hours. They didn’t find the guy and for another two days, and he was he was in like what we call a pill box, he was hiding in what we used to have in the Second World War, big concrete tolerance.
57 00:07:44.910 –> 00:07:48.570 Karl Smith: On the beach front and all that law, he was he was hidden in those and
58 00:07:49.830 –> 00:07:55.020 Karl Smith: Get yeah they got him anyway. And the only good news or heard about it was is that they flush them out with a dog.
59 00:07:57.900 –> 00:07:59.190 Karl Smith: Person anyway.
60 00:08:00.330 –> 00:08:08.040 Karl Smith: Because that’d be annoying. But anyway, so when I started on the process of healing. So obviously body was in plaster casts end up coming out of hospital after a little bit of time.
61 00:08:09.600 –> 00:08:16.440 Karl Smith: And they gave me what’s called a pre gambling and terminal know if you don’t know what the US call is it traveled all over there.
62 00:08:16.710 –> 00:08:19.770 Kathy Gruver: At all. They gave me that from my back written lovely
63 00:08:20.340 –> 00:08:21.690 Kathy Gruver: That knocks me on my ass.
64 00:08:21.960 –> 00:08:26.190 Karl Smith: I’m going to talk about that in a moment because it’s an opiate based drug that makes you addicted and that comes up next.
65 00:08:26.280 –> 00:08:30.870 Kathy Gruver: Oh Tramadol is not an opiate it’s a narcotic but not least.
66 00:08:31.740 –> 00:08:33.990 Karl Smith: Yeah, anyway, whatever it is, it’s a
67 00:08:34.320 –> 00:08:35.520 Karl Smith: Lovely. Yeah.
68 00:08:37.590 –> 00:08:45.330 Karl Smith: And what happened was is that my physical pain was there, so they gave me the travel all over gambling and paracetamol and all that type of stuff to try and calm that down.
69 00:08:46.050 –> 00:09:00.990 Karl Smith: And then after a couple of months they realized that I wanted more Tramadol I was eating Tramadol like it is like it was really going out of fashion. And like I was just spaced out on it all the time. I just absolutely caned on. I was just literally just eaten it
70 00:09:02.190 –> 00:09:08.160 Karl Smith: Tramadol and jack Daniels where my coping mechanisms, because I didn’t know. So the
71 00:09:08.190 –> 00:09:10.440 Karl Smith: Police force with at the time. Got me sometimes.
72 00:09:10.920 –> 00:09:12.930 Kathy Gruver: When I ask you a question about that Carl so
73 00:09:13.290 –> 00:09:23.310 Kathy Gruver: What was going through your head at that point, I mean from an emotional standpoint. Did you feel like you’ve never get better. Did you have any emotion, because you’re recovering it up with them the meds Dominic What was going through your mind at that point.
74 00:09:23.670 –> 00:09:26.040 Karl Smith: But the key thing is, is that what happened was is
75 00:09:26.370 –> 00:09:37.260 Karl Smith: I didn’t know anything about hypnosis hypnotherapy clients and CVT, I mean, my experience in the military is if we saw anything that like ethnic cleansing or, you know, when we were in Kosovo, when we saw
76 00:09:37.680 –> 00:09:47.970 Karl Smith: Things that weren’t pleasant when we were in Northern Ireland we saw things that weren’t plays in the best way to get around it was drink lager. And that was what they did. They just gave you a logger. So I actually thought that there was no other way.
77 00:09:49.320 –> 00:09:50.160 Kathy Gruver: Covered all up.
78 00:09:50.340 –> 00:09:56.610 Karl Smith: Yeah, just my coping mechanism was you drink and eat Tramadol back visit and I thought, well, that that’s the rest of your life.
79 00:09:57.450 –> 00:10:05.580 Karl Smith: And and it went down that road there for a long time, then adopters. Right. No, you’re not having any more Tramadol I started kicking off at the doctors, bearing in mind them it
80 00:10:06.420 –> 00:10:14.370 Karl Smith: Was a happy go lucky fellow now. I mean, the doctors surgery threatening to punches phase three because he won’t give me any more Tramadol so now I’m now I’m
81 00:10:15.150 –> 00:10:24.660 Karl Smith: Basically a drug addict and that’s what happened. And so the force realized they were really good. The force of really good so they they got me a counselor. But before I start this
82 00:10:25.260 –> 00:10:36.180 Karl Smith: Counselor CVT is not a change workers. This is my personal opinion. I don’t believe that everyone shit but I’m not gonna, I’m not going to tell a story that makes saying crap. I went to a counselor and
83 00:10:37.200 –> 00:10:45.060 Karl Smith: And one of the first questions that was asked was, is it tell me how it feels to be run over and I sat down when. What did you just
84 00:10:46.080 –> 00:10:46.890 Jason Mefford: Hurts
85 00:10:47.970 –> 00:10:48.330 Jason Mefford: Say,
86 00:10:48.360 –> 00:10:58.320 Karl Smith: What did you just say to me, anyway. But tell me what it feels like to be one over and over and I got really angry. Anyway, I’ll see you. You’ve got lots of anger and I went that excuse me people. I’m not gonna say, I said that
87 00:10:59.460 –> 00:11:13.350 Karl Smith: I’m not fucking angry about the car accident. I’m not angry you because you’ve just done something. It didn’t need to be done. You didn’t he wasn’t necessary for that. And so anyway, I had a brazen right with Him threaten to fill him in a friendly give him.
88 00:11:13.920 –> 00:11:15.360 Karl Smith: Give me some as well and I was
89 00:11:16.170 –> 00:11:23.790 Karl Smith: And now looking back, I was justified, I may have gone over the top, but I was justified in what I said, I believe, is that it was a poor performance from anyway they
90 00:11:24.120 –> 00:11:31.170 Karl Smith: Got rid of that one. And he went to see BT cognitive behavioral therapy or cognitive behavioral torture it whatever you want to talk, talk about it.
91 00:11:32.400 –> 00:11:32.610 Kathy Gruver: So,
92 00:11:32.670 –> 00:11:38.790 Karl Smith: What happened was I just couldn’t go around in circles are just getting going in circles and that and all I can do is getting worse and worse and worse and
93 00:11:39.060 –> 00:11:47.970 Karl Smith: I swear I’m not doing any of that. So film and life was over. I really did. I felt like I’ve been pretty sleepy taping for the counseling. Next stop, really jump off a big frame bridge.
94 00:11:48.630 –> 00:12:01.980 Karl Smith: So I went off, nobody wanted to go do that. So I drove off drink a bottle of jack Daniels. I’m going to throw myself a bridge, but that’s Kathy knows me well. Anyway, I’m not stupid that I couldn’t even get over the bridge power pick due to the fact that jacket got caught.
95 00:12:02.430 –> 00:12:13.350 Karl Smith: And then, and then, long story short is is it two hands come over the top Ramsey serving police officer that see me on CCTV trying to get over a bridge parapet over the PowerPoint over
96 00:12:13.860 –> 00:12:27.720 Karl Smith: And anyone in England. If you look at the all well bridge the bridge. That was one of Toronto good for, for I think it’s about 400 foot drop it anywhere. I know that much other than more than tourists me ankle. Anyway, so, so
97 00:12:29.550 –> 00:12:36.210 Karl Smith: I’ve got dragged over a couple of cars turned up and then they were like Jesus, you know, his car. What the fuck is going on here, what you know.
98 00:12:36.750 –> 00:12:46.290 Karl Smith: This is the happy go lucky car. He’s now you know. And anyway, so the job decided to up it down and just helped me out a little bit more because I didn’t know where to go. I didn’t know what to look at
99 00:12:46.980 –> 00:12:54.120 Karl Smith: And then a fellow police officer who was a hypnotist said I’ll intervene. Well, actually I think the forsake. Can you go over and go see call
100 00:12:54.900 –> 00:13:03.210 Karl Smith: The Long story short, is he came around and he talked to me about hypnosis and I’m like I mentioned at very beginning I’m from a seaside town. So the only thing that I had in my head.
101 00:13:03.510 –> 00:13:09.750 Karl Smith: Was the stage performance stage hypnotist you’re going to start shooting square eggs that type of stuff and and
102 00:13:10.320 –> 00:13:15.120 Karl Smith: And that’s what I had in my head. And it’s so he educated me he educated me and said, No, no, no, no.
103 00:13:15.540 –> 00:13:22.710 Karl Smith: Hypnosis is next on our end alright and but I’m not sure about it because I’m come from a very alpha male background.
104 00:13:23.070 –> 00:13:35.970 Karl Smith: Very alpha, you know, firearms tactics guns. All that type stuff, you know, and stiff upper lip, old boy and what type of stuff we don’t men don’t talk about their shirts, you know, men don’t talk about this. So anyway,
105 00:13:36.450 –> 00:13:42.240 Karl Smith: I thought what he’s a fellow police officer is give it a crack and the first session.
106 00:13:43.230 –> 00:13:53.400 Karl Smith: Didn’t go it went well. But my brothers in my resistance was still a lot to degree what but then he said, well, let’s have a go next week. Then, and when he came over the second time.
107 00:13:53.970 –> 00:14:06.300 Karl Smith: He really did get me and what I mean, he got me. It was like Mount Vesuvius being pulled and just go walking the whole lot images feelings, thoughts, emotions, things that I hadn’t seen
108 00:14:06.630 –> 00:14:19.110 Karl Smith: For decades, even from when I was a child, but coming up. I mean, I had a great break. I had a great you know my parents were great, you know, they love this daily. I’ve got the boot and he asked, you know, who didn’t as a kid.
109 00:14:20.040 –> 00:14:27.120 Karl Smith: Climbing up next door neighbors trees and thrown apples and you’re going to get a kick in the backside, aren’t you, but you know a normal, I would say quite a normal childhood.
110 00:14:28.950 –> 00:14:33.090 Jason Mefford: And let me jump in and ask you about that because you know you said there was resistance in your first
111 00:14:33.090 –> 00:14:33.540 Karl Smith: Session.
112 00:14:34.380 –> 00:14:45.330 Jason Mefford: Yeah. And so I’m guessing you know as far as because in order to get it to have hypnosis actually work. You have to actually kind of go through that induction period and actually
113 00:14:45.690 –> 00:14:56.400 Jason Mefford: It kind of relax. Right. So is that kind of what you’re talking about is your resistance was, well, I’m still not sure about this. And so, you weren’t able to actually get into the right state for it. The first
114 00:14:56.400 –> 00:14:56.730 Jason Mefford: Thing.
115 00:14:57.180 –> 00:15:08.550 Karl Smith: That and that’s key to what I do nowadays. My job is to educate people to to what they may experience what it feels like how it may go what they might do what goes on as well. Whereas, whereas the Bitly
116 00:15:08.880 –> 00:15:15.720 Karl Smith: Even though he was a game and I mean this. That was the bit and I was like, no, no. There was something inside going. Don’t let go. Don’t go there.
117 00:15:15.780 –> 00:15:16.200 Karl Smith: Don’t go
118 00:15:17.160 –> 00:15:20.430 Karl Smith: You don’t go in a, you know, don’t leave it alone and and
119 00:15:21.000 –> 00:15:30.510 Karl Smith: I felt I wasn’t prepared properly for. So when I was sitting there and he was talking me through and just doing stuff. I felt like I couldn’t, I couldn’t do it.
120 00:15:30.930 –> 00:15:35.820 Karl Smith: And so the next time he said what after when we did the debrief on that on the first one.
121 00:15:36.420 –> 00:15:42.990 Karl Smith: I was waiting to come back and the second time is when he got me. And that was when he really really did hammer home what you could experience.
122 00:15:43.290 –> 00:15:52.470 Karl Smith: You’ve got nothing to fear karmic down lots of speech patterns and lots of different things that he did for me and you know he really did really do go to Tyrone me and
123 00:15:53.160 –> 00:16:03.840 Karl Smith: So yeah, became me. I was able to relax more, I was able to just go right is do. This is the key thing about any change work is accepting is accepting that it can it can happen.
124 00:16:04.230 –> 00:16:11.520 Karl Smith: And the will to let it happen the first time when he went to do it. I don’t believe I was ready for it. I hadn’t committed myself to it.
125 00:16:11.970 –> 00:16:18.060 Karl Smith: Whereas the second time I went non committed. Now I’m committed, I want this to go away. I can keep going like this young children.
126 00:16:18.900 –> 00:16:29.520 Karl Smith: So it’s the same as any change work is I was just discussing with somebody that while ago, but stop smoking. Somebody says, they want to try and stop smoking. I’ll send them away. I don’t want to work with them when they told me they will do it and they will
127 00:16:29.910 –> 00:16:35.070 Karl Smith: give up smoking and they’re ready to start doing our work them same principle really and
128 00:16:35.100 –> 00:16:46.650 Kathy Gruver: So that brings up an interesting point. So the first time you had it. You’re a little resistant. You did you find that, and now you could probably wouldn’t have known this at the moment, but looking back on it. Were you having secondary gain from being so stuck.
129 00:16:46.980 –> 00:16:53.970 Kathy Gruver: Front. I mean, were you getting attention from people were you not having to work where you work, was there a benefit for you to stay stuck and depressed and drinking and
130 00:16:55.140 –> 00:17:06.300 Karl Smith: No, I don’t know. I don’t know what you mean by that, about about the gaining. No, I don’t. Because I changed so much within myself, I’ve gone from, you know, going into
131 00:17:07.080 –> 00:17:12.120 Karl Smith: You know, going in. I’m gonna laugh and a joke. I love my job. I really did. I wasn’t, I wasn’t an article in the police.
132 00:17:12.330 –> 00:17:23.130 Karl Smith: Be an ex military I had a bit of street cred, you know, a little bit street thing on there. I’d rather grab people throw them in the back of a cab driver my boot Matney their own, you know, just go from there. But I love it. I really
133 00:17:23.670 –> 00:17:29.610 Karl Smith: Really did I used to love my job like that. So when we really wanted to get back. I just, there was a brick wall just wouldn’t
134 00:17:30.150 –> 00:17:47.550 Karl Smith: Come back in. So I don’t believe at the time. I think I realized, deep down that jack Daniels was gonna room. I think my son was the biggest thing Ross my elbow, he’s the biggest driver for me because he was coming in. EVERY DAY, AND DADDY WAS JUST A PIECE. I don’t know.
135 00:17:47.880 –> 00:17:51.540 Karl Smith: Just a drunk on it on a couch when he hadn’t been had been running and
136 00:17:51.660 –> 00:17:55.380 Karl Smith: Swimming and doing this and doing that and been active, you know, support in
137 00:17:55.830 –> 00:18:03.900 Karl Smith: You know, we had we bought an allotment, you know, an allotment like a lump, a land where they were. We could do like small potatoes and all that type stuff, you know, just
138 00:18:04.410 –> 00:18:12.660 Karl Smith: Is our hobby mine in a zombie that all just went blown out the window and strangely enough, I just wanted to get back into that, just so I could do it.
139 00:18:13.200 –> 00:18:20.610 Karl Smith: So yeah, so the second time the second time on the hypnosis buying the whole lot came out the whole lot. And that’s where we’re accumulated
140 00:18:21.030 –> 00:18:30.660 Karl Smith: Post trauma is not about one event post traumatic stress disorder or post trauma is not about one event post trauma or post traumatic stress disorder, if you want to call it that name.
141 00:18:31.140 –> 00:18:41.580 Karl Smith: Is about accumulated stress factors post trauma doesn’t happen because of one event like a car accident. It happens. It happens because of a series of events that happened prior to that, that’s just the catalyst
142 00:18:41.850 –> 00:18:49.830 Karl Smith: So in my case, you know, little things when I was younger, that came up there were nothing spectacular, but little things my subconscious unconscious monkey brain.
143 00:18:50.040 –> 00:18:59.910 Karl Smith: Had decided to hold on to until eventually the pressure cooker. And if you look at a pressure that you’ll get a pressure cooker. You put a little bit of fluid at the bottom of it where you fight, flight, freeze mechanism states.
144 00:19:00.270 –> 00:19:09.690 Karl Smith: And that little bit of fluid sits at the bottom. And that’s the bit that keeps you alive. But then we apply the heat of life, and then the pressure starts to build within the pressure cooker until eventually
145 00:19:10.110 –> 00:19:18.390 Karl Smith: At one thing, one thing will tip it over the edge and go and make it go bang and it just won’t stop it will just keep the heat on the heat will stay on a pressure cooker.
146 00:19:18.600 –> 00:19:23.430 Karl Smith: And that’s the way a little post trauma and it’s not until you turn the heat alive down underneath the part
147 00:19:23.550 –> 00:19:32.160 Karl Smith: That the pressure subsides and then the pressure starts to come down again, and that’s that’s the way that I look at post on a very simple metaphor analogy that is just
148 00:19:33.330 –> 00:19:41.640 Karl Smith: And so what happened was is my pressure cooker blue and it all within one session. I was not on sorted and
149 00:19:42.270 –> 00:19:55.050 Karl Smith: You know, and, and I only took a couple more sessions really to get my my backside back online, really. And a lot of people can’t believe how quickly. I’ve done it afterwards as well. I had to do some recalibration in the own body and get yourself sorted, but you know, I’m
150 00:19:55.320 –> 00:20:01.920 Jason Mefford: On I think that analogy of the pressure cooker that you just used as important for people to get again. So to kind of like
151 00:20:02.370 –> 00:20:07.050 Jason Mefford: Summarize again and hit home to people because what you said, you know, PTSD, it’s about
152 00:20:07.050 –> 00:20:08.670 Jason Mefford: Accumulated stress factors.
153 00:20:08.880 –> 00:20:09.180 Karl Smith: Yeah.
154 00:20:09.420 –> 00:20:15.870 Jason Mefford: And there’s usually one event that ends up being the catalyst that, like you said, Just makes us lose our ship. Right. Yeah.
155 00:20:16.170 –> 00:20:25.350 Jason Mefford: Yeah, and and a lot of, you know, traditional talk therapy or other stuff even like what you talked about to begin with, you know, the guys like how does it feel to get run over. It’s like, what the
156 00:20:25.350 –> 00:20:27.300 Jason Mefford: Fuck are you tell you it hurts, right.
157 00:20:27.570 –> 00:20:30.570 Jason Mefford: Yeah, you know, he’s focusing on that one particular
158 00:20:30.630 –> 00:20:31.530 Jason Mefford: Event.
159 00:20:31.620 –> 00:20:36.840 Jason Mefford: That was the catalyst. But like you said when you opened up. It wasn’t just that event, it was
160 00:20:36.840 –> 00:20:37.620 Jason Mefford: All of this
161 00:20:37.680 –> 00:20:38.790 Jason Mefford: Other stuff.
162 00:20:39.180 –> 00:20:42.870 Jason Mefford: That came out that that only something like hypnosis can actually
163 00:20:43.500 –> 00:20:45.450 Jason Mefford: Help you get to at a subconscious level.
164 00:20:45.930 –> 00:20:47.340 Karl Smith: And I think and i think i think
165 00:20:48.630 –> 00:20:54.570 Karl Smith: I think that’s why I loved hypnosis so much because it was just a direct line of sight straight into the subconscious unconscious monkey brain.
166 00:20:54.870 –> 00:20:58.290 Karl Smith: And so I always say that because depending on what country I’m working. But the thing is, is it
167 00:20:58.590 –> 00:21:07.470 Karl Smith: It goes direct in and it allows the subconscious unconscious to let go. It says right you’ve got this and not my job, then, is to negotiate and go okay
168 00:21:07.800 –> 00:21:18.090 Karl Smith: We’re here now let’s let go of any negativity or right and i don’t mind all my sessions is direct and if any of my viewers want you know interested in learning. I’ve got a YouTube channel, it’s all free and go learn on
169 00:21:18.390 –> 00:21:19.350 Kathy Gruver: Such great stuff.
170 00:21:19.710 –> 00:21:25.050 Karl Smith: And and you’ll see me work, especially with trauma. And the key thing is is that
171 00:21:25.950 –> 00:21:35.340 Karl Smith: Is that if you if you allow the subconscious unconscious monkey brain to do what it wants to do not work with forcing it what we think it to do, then that’s when it works better. That’s why.
172 00:21:35.850 –> 00:21:37.470 Karl Smith: Some talk therapies don’t work.
173 00:21:37.800 –> 00:21:47.460 Karl Smith: And that’s why some hypnotist hypnotherapist don’t get it right, because what they’re doing is they’re forcing their metaphors and analogies into a scenario that that that the client subconscious going, I don’t get it.
174 00:21:47.730 –> 00:21:54.630 Karl Smith: I just don’t get it already don’t get it. What sandy bloody beach. What about waterfall piss off and and that’s what he’s doing.
175 00:21:54.960 –> 00:21:56.520 Karl Smith: And mine very content free.
176 00:21:58.860 –> 00:22:08.100 Karl Smith: I work around I walk around content free hypnosis, because if we work on the premise. The issue is never the issue any therapist worth their weight in gold will tell you now.
177 00:22:08.730 –> 00:22:18.000 Karl Smith: Is when a client walks in the door, the issue that they tell you is very, it is not the issue that actually the thing that’s playing them up.
178 00:22:18.390 –> 00:22:18.960 Karl Smith: Never is
179 00:22:19.080 –> 00:22:27.270 Karl Smith: I’ve got anxiety. But when you peel back the layers, it’s got nothing to do with that it’s got nothing to do with it whatsoever. So the issue is never the issue. So as a hypnotist
180 00:22:27.600 –> 00:22:36.570 Karl Smith: My job is to draw that information straight out of this part here directly without this. Now, some people may find this really weird if you watch some more videos
181 00:22:37.260 –> 00:22:50.160 Karl Smith: My consultations last me less than five minutes, I’m going to get an acid to ascertain any contraindications it ready to go for it and them are in. I’m not even gonna bother asking them to verbalize it. Don’t even bother. There’s no point to treatment.
182 00:22:51.180 –> 00:22:57.000 Kathy Gruver: And I’ve seen you do some demos where you just have the person you like step into that.
183 00:22:57.720 –> 00:23:06.540 Kathy Gruver: Light and just deal with the trauma and you just say the Trump. You don’t even have to name it. It’s not the rape. It’s not the child abuse is not it’s you just, it’s just the trauma.
184 00:23:06.780 –> 00:23:14.610 Kathy Gruver: And whatever comes out in that because I’ve had the same thing with clients they think it’s a sugar addiction and in reality as I had to do with a sugar addiction. It has to do with
185 00:23:14.910 –> 00:23:25.380 Kathy Gruver: When they felt secure as a kid, their dad would bring them cake. So now they look at cake as this comforting thing that everything’s okay. It’s not about the sugar. It’s about that comfort of everything’s okay
186 00:23:25.710 –> 00:23:32.100 Kathy Gruver: And it’s like you kind of have to distill I do a little more distilling down, but I know you just dive right in and do it and it’s it’s fabulous. So
187 00:23:32.190 –> 00:23:37.680 Kathy Gruver: Can kinetic shift is just about the deals with more than just trauma though right kinetic shift, which is that what you teach
188 00:23:38.220 –> 00:23:47.430 Karl Smith: Oh yeah so well I think teacher different realms of it. I teach content for hypnosis work with MS emergency services type stuff because that’s my background. And then also, as well.
189 00:23:47.700 –> 00:23:57.120 Karl Smith: I teach kinetic shift which is nothing new is seven modalities that have been brought together. And it’s about the Prestige, the way that is delivered because hypnosis is about procedure. Lot of people don’t get this.
190 00:23:57.390 –> 00:24:00.630 Karl Smith: Is that they think that just because they’re a hypnotist. They can just stand there and just walk away.
191 00:24:01.050 –> 00:24:06.960 Karl Smith: Well, they have a script and think all things going to happen at your own if you’ve been taught the script, you need to get away from him because there’s just garbage.
192 00:24:07.260 –> 00:24:11.670 Karl Smith: But the thing is, is that my job is to show people how to get to that center point.
193 00:24:12.450 –> 00:24:20.640 Karl Smith: With with with hypnosis and then use in several techniques to then go straight in and and rip Apple and drag it out knew what they need to do.
194 00:24:20.880 –> 00:24:28.950 Karl Smith: And that’s why it’s so effective because I’m not, I’m not listening to any cognitive I’m not listening to any verbal ization of what they’re going to tell me and I. Some people like oh
195 00:24:29.310 –> 00:24:35.460 Karl Smith: My god, that’s disgusting. You should listen to the client. Well, no, my clients come to me because they know they’re going to get the doors blown off.
196 00:24:35.760 –> 00:24:50.430 Karl Smith: If people want unicorns and and and lovely, lovely little nobody else at the bottom. They garden. They can go somewhere else. If somebody wants to doors blown off. They come see me and that’s the reason I project myself is the post new very direct a direct analytics.
197 00:24:50.700 –> 00:24:51.360 Karl Smith: And I’m
198 00:24:52.020 –> 00:24:58.080 Karl Smith: very bloody direct and the thing is that people love that and people want that. And that’s what who I attract
199 00:24:58.140 –> 00:24:59.010 Kathy Gruver: Those who wants to go.
200 00:24:59.370 –> 00:25:03.690 Karl Smith: You know, play with elves at the bottom. The garden or good luck to brilliant, but on the same token,
201 00:25:04.530 –> 00:25:18.630 Karl Smith: You know, so people come to me for that. So when I’m teaching. And when I’m delivering. It’s a very direct form is a very, very direct and connected shift and hypnosis or just different modalities metaphors and models for me to use really to get in there.
202 00:25:19.830 –> 00:25:26.130 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, and you’re amazing. I mean, I’ve seen you were walking on Santa Monica Pier before trapeze or after trapeze.
203 00:25:27.210 –> 00:25:27.660 Kathy Gruver: Before
204 00:25:28.260 –> 00:25:41.370 Kathy Gruver: And you just, you know, you have a you always have a shirt on tends to be pink. The tell the tells everybody your hypnotist. And so, of course, people are stopping you would going on a little bit and you took this guy under we recorded it. It was so brilliant, but yeah.
205 00:25:41.430 –> 00:25:43.830 Kathy Gruver: He was just he was gone in a matter of seconds. It was amazing.
206 00:25:44.190 –> 00:25:50.460 Karl Smith: Some of the YouTube channel, what you find with hypnosis is the pre talk, it’s got nothing to do with the induction. So as soon as they see this
207 00:25:51.180 –> 00:25:59.490 Karl Smith: Soon as soon as they see this three things are going to happen soon as they see hypnotist on there. One is, they’re going to say show me something. Now, the other is a sock, leave me alone. Don’t come near me.
208 00:25:59.670 –> 00:26:08.220 Karl Smith: Or the third one is is bugger off and you watch them like a boomerang I call them boomerangs that are ones in pubs and clubs, they got that they go away and then all sudden, they
209 00:26:09.660 –> 00:26:17.100 Karl Smith: Run their and their subconscious unconscious monkey brains go please show me. Please show me. Please show me the conversations go no, don’t do it.
210 00:26:17.370 –> 00:26:22.350 Karl Smith: But they do they come back, and they’re brutal because they cook straight away, but we’re inhibiting T shirts like this.
211 00:26:23.100 –> 00:26:31.920 Karl Smith: Built my career know when done and like that that Santa Monica. We were getting a coffee in a hurry or summer camp. No, not a burrito. We’re, we’re getting a Pareto principle. I think that would
213 00:26:33.120 –> 00:26:40.680 Karl Smith: I’m still stood there like that stood there like that and when are you going to taste here. I’m going to hypnotize Joe and will come here. So just handed to the camera. My
214 00:26:40.710 –> 00:26:41.160 Coffee and
215 00:26:42.570 –> 00:26:44.160 Karl Smith: All that shit. I’m gonna drop this little monkey.
216 00:26:44.670 –> 00:26:51.060 Karl Smith: For what he’s doing. Really, and I just literally just did it there and now it’s about the prestigious the bank that we can deliver it.
217 00:26:51.720 –> 00:26:56.580 Karl Smith: And a lot of people say, Well, I don’t do stage hypnosis. And I won’t go near and I won’t do performance and I won’t
218 00:26:57.060 –> 00:27:05.100 Karl Smith: And stage hypnotist just ruin it. But we have to look at that, that some of the most predominant stage hypnotist you know
219 00:27:05.850 –> 00:27:15.930 Karl Smith: Are actually the most successful. And I would say that that having that performance element and prestige element to your sessions is fundamental to being a successful hypnotist
220 00:27:16.230 –> 00:27:24.870 Karl Smith: I really not unless you’re like James Hazel Reagan you love telling stories and bringing, bringing even still, he adds prestige to the way that he delivers it
221 00:27:25.110 –> 00:27:25.740 Karl Smith: The way least
222 00:27:25.800 –> 00:27:32.100 Karl Smith: Telling the story in the way he enunciate the words that still prestige. He made an offer my to me.
223 00:27:32.370 –> 00:27:42.240 Karl Smith: But the theatrical that come with a very important and that’s where I. That’s what I like teaching people that the actual part that makes them go make the client believe something fundamental has just happened.
224 00:27:43.140 –> 00:27:43.410 Jason Mefford: Well,
225 00:27:43.590 –> 00:27:44.190 Jason Mefford: We actually
226 00:27:44.640 –> 00:27:46.380 Kathy Gruver: Was it. We had James on the show talking about
227 00:27:46.380 –> 00:27:47.610 Kathy Gruver: Storytelling that you’ve
228 00:27:48.210 –> 00:27:49.320 Kathy Gruver: Got Jason
229 00:27:49.680 –> 00:27:52.230 Jason Mefford: Well, I was gonna ask because because you you
230 00:27:52.560 –> 00:28:02.490 Jason Mefford: I’m still learning. Okay, so obviously Kathy’s and you are years ahead of me but but one of the things that you’ve just said there was pre talk not induction.
231 00:28:03.090 –> 00:28:13.320 Jason Mefford: So can you, because again, what, what’s kind of the difference, because I know you said you you kind of go in fast, right. And a lot of people, you know, I’ve heard the term induction, you know,
232 00:28:13.800 –> 00:28:25.230 Jason Mefford: You know you’re walking downstairs and everything else. Right. And so you kind of relaxing that’s more kind of what induction is versus I think what you’re talking about a self talk or what, what’s the difference. Help me understand
233 00:28:25.950 –> 00:28:29.640 Kathy Gruver: How you’re going to be the I’m a Capricorn for a second, we’ve run out of time.
234 00:28:30.390 –> 00:28:31.050 Ah,
235 00:28:32.160 –> 00:28:41.100 Kathy Gruver: So that’s a very good question, Jason. I also want to hear about magnetic fingers because I know Carl based a lot of his career on that. And we’ve never talked about that. Why don’t we
236 00:28:41.730 –> 00:28:52.110 Kathy Gruver: Let everyone go and then we’ll come back for another episode and then we’ll talk about all this good stuff because I want to keep having this conversation, but I don’t want this to go way past what we’re supposed to. Yes.
237 00:28:52.620 –> 00:28:55.320 Jason Mefford: It’s kind of like you got to come back for the next episode right look
238 00:28:55.320 –> 00:28:56.490 Kathy Gruver: At a commercial break that
239 00:28:57.960 –> 00:28:58.920 Kathy Gruver: Well, I have to pay
241 00:29:03.000 –> 00:29:05.790 Jason Mefford: Yeah, cuz I wanna, I want to dig into this a little bit further and understand
242 00:29:05.820 –> 00:29:13.740 Jason Mefford: Again for my my own benefit as well, but also I think everybody else is going to find this really interesting to understand
243 00:29:14.040 –> 00:29:15.240 Jason Mefford: Some more how it works.
244 00:29:15.720 –> 00:29:27.990 Karl Smith: On the next episode, we’ll go talk about then is the five five elements of the way that I teach, and the way that your students can go away. On the next episode, I put this into practice and be faster and more efficient and confident
245 00:29:28.890 –> 00:29:31.590 Kathy Gruver: Yeah. Beautiful. All right, Carl working everybody find you.
246 00:29:33.000 –> 00:29:46.920 Karl Smith: wiki hypnosis academy.com so UK hypnosis Academy. There you go. So if you type in you. If you go to a YouTube channel. It’s UK hypnosis Academy and just subscribe on their videos every day. Anything from St.
247 00:29:46.950 –> 00:29:52.710 Karl Smith: Performance to amazing clinical medical post trauma inductions blah, blah, blah.
248 00:29:53.640 –> 00:29:58.650 Kathy Gruver: I love the one on blah, blah, blah. It’s really good. Okay, I’m Kathy Gruber. I can be reached at Kathy Griffin calm.
249 00:29:59.040 –> 00:30:07.980 Jason Mefford: And I’m Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm, so make sure and check out the future episode because we got lots of good stuff with Carl coming up. So, yeah.
In this #jammingwithjason #internalauditpodcast episode I dig into improving your learning so you can unlock your limitless potential. It’s a bit of a potpourri episode, one where we literally talk about potpourri, but a few other topics besides learning 🙂
You don’t just need training, you need to LEARN … and they are two different things. You can take a training and not learn anything, and you can learn without going to training. To learn you need a combination of knowledge, skills, abilities, and experience. Training only helps you with the first two.
One of the best ways to improve your abilities and get experience is through community with others. Without this aspect of learning you really don’t integrate and “learn” the information fully.
Come join me in some communities where I hang out so we can interact directly. Podcasts, while they are fabulous are a one-way communication. When we connect in community the conversation can go both ways.
1 00:00:01.680 –> 00:00:09.540 Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of jamming with Jason. Hey, my friends. It’s good to be back with you again this week.
2 00:00:09.960 –> 00:00:20.580 Jason Mefford: Hey, you know, for the last month or so I’ve just felt like I wanted to kind of talk to everybody individually. So I’ve been doing a lot of individual podcast. We’re going to get back
3 00:00:21.420 –> 00:00:29.430 Jason Mefford: To a lot of the interviews and other stuff coming up shortly, but just with a lot of the things that are going on in the world. I just felt like I wanted to kind of
4 00:00:30.120 –> 00:00:39.930 Jason Mefford: Talk to all of you about some specific things. So for those of you that really enjoyed the interview segments. Those are going to be back very soon.
5 00:00:40.560 –> 00:00:50.250 Jason Mefford: So, just hold on to it. In fact, next week you’ll actually have another one of those. And it’s a very special episode so be looking for that. This next week.
6 00:00:50.940 –> 00:01:06.270 Jason Mefford: Now that the title of this week is limitless learning. And the reason for that is, I’ve actually been reading a book called limitless. And I’m going to get in and talk more about that here as we get into the episode.
7 00:01:06.960 –> 00:01:10.380 Jason Mefford: A little bit further, because there’s some information that I’ve been learning
8 00:01:11.610 –> 00:01:23.520 Jason Mefford: You know, in this limitless learning book that I wanted to share with each of you about how to learn and we’re going to get into that a little bit more like I said here in the episode.
9 00:01:24.600 –> 00:01:37.410 Jason Mefford: Because one of the things that I have found probably one of the biggest keys to my success in my life and in my career has been the fact that I am a lifelong learner.
10 00:01:37.770 –> 00:01:48.360 Jason Mefford: I don’t just get trained, but I actually learn and I’m going to share with you here in this episode. What that means a little bit more about some of that.
11 00:01:48.750 –> 00:01:58.440 Jason Mefford: Share a little bit like I said from the book and then I’m going to dig in deeper in future episodes and other things to to share with you more about that now.
12 00:02:00.510 –> 00:02:11.940 Jason Mefford: Excuse me this week is a little bit of a potpourri exercise or episode okay Popery, and so if you don’t know how to spell it. It’s kind of a funny sounding word
13 00:02:13.140 –> 00:02:22.800 Jason Mefford: Emits P. O. T. P o u r R i. Now, trust me on this. We’re talking, we’re going to talk about popery
14 00:02:23.490 –> 00:02:32.790 Jason Mefford: For a little bit. And there’s a reason for that because it ties into our limitless learning discussion that we’re going to be talking about. Okay.
15 00:02:33.360 –> 00:02:44.580 Jason Mefford: Now popery actually means a mixture of things and I’m going to get into that here a little bit more and kind of share a story with you and kind of why I’m talking about that today.
16 00:02:46.050 –> 00:02:58.350 Jason Mefford: But for the again, those of you that are auditors’ what you may have noticed as well is now there is a little ease symbol next to the podcast and next to each of the episodes and
17 00:02:59.310 –> 00:03:10.980 Jason Mefford: Here’s the reason for that. I’m actually a pretty colorful guy, and I’m colorful in a lot of ways. In fact, sometimes I use some strong or adult language. Okay.
18 00:03:11.430 –> 00:03:21.240 Jason Mefford: Now, I’ve been holding myself back on the podcast not maybe being fully me because sometimes I use those words. Okay.
19 00:03:21.660 –> 00:03:38.340 Jason Mefford: And and I decided that I would go ahead and mark the podcast as explicit. Okay. Because again, as I get excited as I get talking, I might say some words like shit or Fox or don’t be an asshole. Okay.
20 00:03:38.820 –> 00:03:46.350 Jason Mefford: And realize that everybody who’s listening to this podcast should be an adult should be, you know, familiar with okay with it.
21 00:03:46.890 –> 00:03:58.950 Jason Mefford: don’t mean to offend anybody by that but like I said I wanted to make sure and put that on the podcast going forward in case I say any of those words that you won’t be offended.
22 00:03:59.520 –> 00:04:07.260 Jason Mefford: That you’ll realize that that’s what it is. And again, it’s, it’s more for me, just so that I can be more authentic with you.
23 00:04:07.650 –> 00:04:19.320 Jason Mefford: And I don’t feel like I have to hold back on the podcast and think about, you know, which words, can I use and which words, can’t I use okay so
24 00:04:19.830 –> 00:04:28.080 Jason Mefford: So let’s get back to talking about popery now popery again like I said it’s a funny word. I like it because I like the alliteration of it.
25 00:04:28.680 –> 00:04:40.260 Jason Mefford: But let me, let me tell you a little story. When I most people don’t actually use popery now but like I said that the the definition of it is it is a mixture of things.
26 00:04:41.280 –> 00:04:50.760 Jason Mefford: Now, when I was growing up, you know we we had some of the air fresheners and things like that. But my mother did not actually use that most of the time.
27 00:04:51.240 –> 00:05:03.090 Jason Mefford: Instead, she would actually make her own popery so usually a popery is, you know, different you know flower petals maybe spices. Other things like that.
28 00:05:03.510 –> 00:05:12.210 Jason Mefford: And what she used to do was put it all together in a pot and and she would simmer that pot on the stove.
29 00:05:12.660 –> 00:05:29.010 Jason Mefford: And so, you know, as it would go through and simmer all of the essences of that popery would come out. So depending on what she put into it. Sometimes it smelled like cinnamon. Sometimes it would smell like flowers, depending on what she actually put into it.
30 00:05:30.210 –> 00:05:39.780 Jason Mefford: And so again, it was kind of a reminder in a shout out to my mother, who passed away many years ago about Popery, and for me actually just kind of remembering
31 00:05:40.380 –> 00:05:53.490 Jason Mefford: Some of those times. And those smells that used to be in our house now. Now why am I talking about this because, again, as I told you, this is going to tie into our discussion today.
32 00:05:54.000 –> 00:06:07.680 Jason Mefford: About limitless learning. So remember popery we’re going to come back to it popery P. O. T. P o u r r i is how you spell popery okay now.
33 00:06:08.700 –> 00:06:17.850 Jason Mefford: As I told you earlier, you know, one of the things that I think has been a key to my success is the Lifelong Learning attitude that I have. Okay.
34 00:06:18.270 –> 00:06:30.450 Jason Mefford: And and so I am always learning every single day. I am learning. Now I read, usually at least one to two different books each week.
35 00:06:31.170 –> 00:06:42.420 Jason Mefford: In this last week I was reading this book called limitless. Now it just came out about a week ago. And so it’s actually the title of it is limitless.
36 00:06:42.780 –> 00:06:50.100 Jason Mefford: Upgrade your brain learn anything faster and unlock your exceptional life.
37 00:06:50.850 –> 00:07:01.620 Jason Mefford: In it’s written by Jim quick and Jim is fabulous. He is probably one of the leading experts on learning on speed reading. I mean, this is a guy.
38 00:07:01.980 –> 00:07:12.960 Jason Mefford: Who coaches top level actors, so you know when you go to the big movies and you see all these big, you know, fancy movie stars. He’s one of the people that helps them learn
39 00:07:13.470 –> 00:07:23.040 Jason Mefford: Their lines and gain their confidence for being able to actually make the movies. Okay, so the guy knows what he’s talking about and has a very
40 00:07:23.610 –> 00:07:36.060 Jason Mefford: Interesting experience actually in his own life of how he has learned. And so again, as I’m reading that book. I want to share more of what’s in that book.
41 00:07:36.600 –> 00:07:47.010 Jason Mefford: As well as some of the things that I’ve done over time with learning because, again, as someone who teaches other people. I mean, I own two different training companies.
42 00:07:47.700 –> 00:08:03.990 Jason Mefford: One of the reasons why is, as I told you before, I love to learn and I love to help people learn. Okay. And so we’re going to talk a little bit about that today because I want to, I want to get into some of the how that you do that.
43 00:08:05.100 –> 00:08:15.780 Jason Mefford: Now in Jim’s book. One of the things that he has is a model, which I think is fabulous. And he does some very interesting things in the book.
44 00:08:16.170 –> 00:08:22.830 Jason Mefford: And as I think I said that there’s going to be. There’s a link down in the show notes for you to go be able to look up and get that book.
45 00:08:23.490 –> 00:08:29.970 Jason Mefford: Because I think again for anybody who’s serious about learning. This is a book that you must read. Okay.
46 00:08:30.600 –> 00:08:42.030 Jason Mefford: Now in the book he talks about one of the models that he has in the book is he breaks things down into these models or kind of little Chungking that we’re going to talk about here in just a minute.
47 00:08:43.530 –> 00:08:46.170 Jason Mefford: And one of the great models. That’s in his book.
48 00:08:47.460 –> 00:09:01.140 Jason Mefford: He has three concentric circles. So it makes a Venn diagram by a Venn diagram. Okay. And there’s three aspects to kind of this limiting limitless learning that he’s talking about here.
49 00:09:01.680 –> 00:09:17.970 Jason Mefford: And the three our mindset motivation and methods. Okay. So there’s three M’s three m, they could post it notes 3am to help you remember there’s three M’s and they are mindset.
50 00:09:18.450 –> 00:09:31.890 Jason Mefford: Motivation and methods. Okay, now what you might not have realized is what I just did for you right there is help you to learn and remember those three amps. Right.
51 00:09:32.220 –> 00:09:40.350 Jason Mefford: three M’s. How do you remember three M’s. Think of it or visualize a post it note 3am as a company that makes post it notes.
52 00:09:40.740 –> 00:09:50.190 Jason Mefford: There’s three M’s in this model mindset motivation and methods. Okay, so if you’re taking notes. You should have already been writing that down.
53 00:09:50.730 –> 00:09:56.850 Jason Mefford: And if that’s the case, you’ve already started to really learn this concept now.
54 00:09:57.840 –> 00:10:13.140 Jason Mefford: Mindset gets into what we need to be learning and kind of the mindset of getting us right and ready for learning. And like I said, I’m going to get into this later in future episodes or trainings that I do.
55 00:10:13.710 –> 00:10:24.060 Jason Mefford: Because this is an aspect of learning that is so very important for you if you are not in the right mindset when you were trying to learn
56 00:10:25.260 –> 00:10:32.460 Jason Mefford: It will be very difficult for you. And in fact, there’s some different things. You know that I teach in my multi sensory learning course.
57 00:10:32.910 –> 00:10:42.930 Jason Mefford: About ways to slow down your brain activity, get your brainwaves to the right frequency so that you can actually absorb the information better
58 00:10:43.200 –> 00:10:54.120 Jason Mefford: But again, it’s about the mindset and mindset is about kind of what you should be learning as well. Right. So what is going to be relevant to you to learn
59 00:10:54.780 –> 00:11:15.600 Jason Mefford: The motivation side of it is more about the why, if you’re not motivated to learn it. It’s not going to stick right you know if you hated going to school, you probably didn’t learn a lot because you weren’t motivated to be there. You weren’t motivated to learn. Okay.
60 00:11:16.620 –> 00:11:29.220 Jason Mefford: It doesn’t mean you’re stupid if you didn’t do well in school, but what you are motivated, for you will learn better. So let me give you an example. You know, one of my nephews.
61 00:11:32.130 –> 00:11:41.580 Jason Mefford: He was not a very good student. Okay. He did not score well in school because he wasn’t really motivated by what they were teaching him there.
62 00:11:42.180 –> 00:11:53.850 Jason Mefford: But I remember you know we were having some family gathering and we were all sitting around and we started talking about it, I believe we started talking about baseball and
63 00:11:55.020 –> 00:12:01.770 Jason Mefford: It was some sport is either baseball, or football that we started talking about and all of a sudden this kid who
64 00:12:02.190 –> 00:12:11.430 Jason Mefford: You know, again, didn’t get very good grades at school. But as we started talking all of a sudden his mouth open, and this trivia came out.
65 00:12:11.760 –> 00:12:22.680 Jason Mefford: He knew which teams had one, you know, which years you know World Series are super bowl. He knew different players from different teams.
66 00:12:23.100 –> 00:12:34.320 Jason Mefford: This kid was a wealth of knowledge. Now even though he didn’t do well at school, he had learned that information because he was motivated and interested
67 00:12:34.740 –> 00:12:45.600 Jason Mefford: In the sports aspect of it. OK. So again, that’s why motivation is so important when you’re learning. If you don’t understand why you’re learning it and if you’re not motivated to learn it.
68 00:12:46.020 –> 00:12:52.050 Jason Mefford: It’s always going to be difficult for you. Okay, so that’s mindset that’s motivation. Right.
69 00:12:52.410 –> 00:13:04.110 Jason Mefford: Now the last one is the methods. The methods are how you actually do it. These are some of the skills that you need to develop if you are going to learn
70 00:13:04.440 –> 00:13:13.410 Jason Mefford: Anything faster and unlock your exceptional life. Okay, so a few that he goes through in the book around visualization
71 00:13:13.920 –> 00:13:22.380 Jason Mefford: Now again, if you remember, I just kind of tricked you on this right as we were talking about the three M’s. I told you to visualize post it notes.
72 00:13:22.800 –> 00:13:34.230 Jason Mefford: And the reason for that is visualizing something like a post it note to help you remember 3am and three M stands for mindset motivation and methods.
73 00:13:34.740 –> 00:13:47.400 Jason Mefford: That is a method for you to be able to learn quicker. Okay, through visualization rote memory doesn’t work as well but but things like visualization do
74 00:13:48.060 –> 00:13:53.370 Jason Mefford: So there’s an example of that right now, you’ve also heard me repeat
75 00:13:53.700 –> 00:14:14.520 Jason Mefford: And so through repetition. I have said mindset motivation and methods several times. So again, by now you should know what are the three M’s. It’s mindset motivation and methods. Now let’s go back to the popery that I was talking about before. Right. So we said
76 00:14:15.660 –> 00:14:24.300 Jason Mefford: You know, usually kind of means a mixture of things. And a lot of times that mixture, at least in the in the older ways that it was used here in the US.
77 00:14:24.750 –> 00:14:38.640 Jason Mefford: Was it. It was a mixture of, you know, good smelling things that people would usually put together boil on their stove to be able to make their home smell nice. Okay, it’s a mixture of things.
78 00:14:39.660 –> 00:14:54.810 Jason Mefford: How do you remember popery it’s a funny. It’s a funny word to spell right but if you if you vision in your mind. So just close your eyes. If you can, or envision a pot pouring
79 00:14:55.440 –> 00:15:11.850 Jason Mefford: So a pot that is pouring his pot pourri. Okay. And actually, how you spell pot pourri popery pot P. O. T. Poor P. Oh, you are with an R. I. At the end of it.
80 00:15:12.300 –> 00:15:25.470 Jason Mefford: So having that visualization of a pot pouring is a way for you to remember not only what potpourri is but actually how to spell it as well.
81 00:15:25.920 –> 00:15:37.050 Jason Mefford: And that little act of visualization will help you learn it much more than trying to sit there and and memorize it in kind of a rote memorization standpoint.
82 00:15:38.160 –> 00:15:47.400 Jason Mefford: So again, that’s, that’s one of the methods is kind of in the book that he teaches. So again, as I said before, go out and get this book if you actually want to learn
83 00:15:48.090 –> 00:15:57.240 Jason Mefford: Another one that he that he did a lot through the book and he didn’t talk about it this way, but I call it Chungking so Chungking is a way of
84 00:15:57.750 –> 00:16:07.200 Jason Mefford: Kind of instilling or bringing things down into bite size kind of packets that we can actually absorb in our brain.
85 00:16:07.740 –> 00:16:23.130 Jason Mefford: And usually we can absorb between three to five things at a time. And so if you chunk things down into something between three and five. You’re going to be able to remember and learn it quicker.
86 00:16:23.910 –> 00:16:29.580 Jason Mefford: So again, I told you his model has how many different aspects to it three
87 00:16:30.030 –> 00:16:42.600 Jason Mefford: Ds. Suppose there’s a reason why it’s three because humans. Remember threes, it’s easier to remember three m and three m is mindset motivation and methods. Okay.
88 00:16:43.080 –> 00:16:58.590 Jason Mefford: Another example in the United States, our phone numbers are 10 digit numbers. Now if you try to memorize a 10 digit number, it’s difficult to do unless you chunk it down.
89 00:16:59.040 –> 00:17:11.130 Jason Mefford: And so again, usually in the US, our phone numbers are three digits dash three digits dash four numbers. Why you can remember a series of three.
90 00:17:11.490 –> 00:17:28.290 Jason Mefford: Of three and a four, you can remember those three series easier than you can. A full string of 10 digits. Okay, so that’s an example of chunky. So if you’re trying to learn, there’s a method to be able to help you do that more
91 00:17:29.400 –> 00:17:37.770 Jason Mefford: Now, another one that he talks about is speed reading and he actually has a whole course on this on how to actually learn to read faster.
92 00:17:38.250 –> 00:17:47.400 Jason Mefford: Because the faster you can read obviously the more information you can take in as well. And in fact, there’s been a lot of studies that have been done.
93 00:17:47.670 –> 00:17:57.930 Jason Mefford: That when you learn how to read faster, you actually comprehend and retain the information more than if you’re reading it slower as well.
94 00:17:58.470 –> 00:18:06.750 Jason Mefford: Okay, so that’s a couple of, you know, some of the things, at least, to begin with, from this book that I was so excited about that. I wanted to share with you.
95 00:18:07.470 –> 00:18:15.750 Jason Mefford: And there’s lots more in the book. So like I said, I would encourage you if you’re interested in this, go out and get his book. I’m not getting anything for this. I’m just giving you the link
96 00:18:16.410 –> 00:18:27.180 Jason Mefford: But I think the guy is fabulous. And I want you to learn. Okay, now it’s a little bit of a popery I told you so you know that’s a part, kind of on learning
97 00:18:27.720 –> 00:18:41.520 Jason Mefford: Now before I’ve talked to you also about knowledge, skills, abilities and experience. So if you think about case k s e that reminds you knowledge.
98 00:18:41.910 –> 00:18:51.930 Jason Mefford: Abilities skills and experience. Okay. Now, normally we talk about it from a learning standpoint of knowledge, skills, abilities and experience. Okay.
99 00:18:52.530 –> 00:19:02.550 Jason Mefford: Now training provides you with knowledge and skills, knowledge is information about the topic skills are things like these methods that I just talked about.
100 00:19:03.150 –> 00:19:10.080 Jason Mefford: But training by itself, just the knowledge, just the skills you’ve only got half of the learning equation.
101 00:19:10.560 –> 00:19:21.030 Jason Mefford: So if you really want to actually learn right you need training, but you also need to add the abilities and the experience with it as well.
102 00:19:21.690 –> 00:19:38.580 Jason Mefford: So how do you do that. Well, one of the best ways to do that is belonging to a community where you can actually share and learn from others. It’s a back and forth, kind of a conversation that happens afterwards.
103 00:19:39.090 –> 00:19:47.940 Jason Mefford: Now again, one of the tricks to learning is when you learn something. If you teach or explain that to someone else.
104 00:19:48.420 –> 00:20:01.680 Jason Mefford: That gets you further up the retention and the learning scale. Okay, so again, being involved in communities where you can have these discussions with other people, helps you to
105 00:20:02.460 –> 00:20:11.190 Jason Mefford: You know, gain those abilities and that experience by sharing it, and also as part of the abilities. It’s not only the practicing of those skills.
106 00:20:12.480 –> 00:20:26.220 Jason Mefford: Excuse me, developing those habits, but it’s also in some of the reflection, because a lot of times what happens in these communities is someone will say something and you stop and go, hmm.
107 00:20:26.700 –> 00:20:33.300 Jason Mefford: Well, I never really thought of it that way before and stopping and reflecting on some of the things that you learn
108 00:20:33.660 –> 00:20:41.640 Jason Mefford: Allow you to actually integrate that learning better and deeper into your brain. OK.
109 00:20:42.000 –> 00:20:54.870 Jason Mefford: So again, one of the tips from a learning standpoint is to join communities of like minded people so that you can discuss and talk about some of these things as well.
110 00:20:55.380 –> 00:21:04.470 Jason Mefford: You know, again, standard regular training. You go to a training or you do something online you learn the knowledge and skills image just tops there.
111 00:21:04.980 –> 00:21:17.970 Jason Mefford: That’s one of the reasons why serious Academy is a learning platform, not just a training company because they’re interested in actually having you learn and apply and get that experience as well.
112 00:21:18.510 –> 00:21:23.340 Jason Mefford: And one of the ways, like I said, that you can do that is through communities. Okay.
113 00:21:23.820 –> 00:21:38.370 Jason Mefford: Even this podcast. You know, those of you that are listening each week you are learning some things, but usually again podcast can only give you some of those knowledge or skills.
114 00:21:38.850 –> 00:21:50.490 Jason Mefford: It’s still up to you to be able to take what I’m talking about, and actually start to develop your abilities to apply it and to get experience.
115 00:21:51.300 –> 00:21:57.720 Jason Mefford: Okay, it’s still up to you to do some of that now again podcasts are one way communication.
116 00:21:58.140 –> 00:22:08.220 Jason Mefford: I’m sitting here in my home recording studio talking to you, you’re listening to this at some point in the future in wherever you happen to be
117 00:22:09.030 –> 00:22:17.220 Jason Mefford: I’m talking you’re listening. It’s one way communication now with community, you get two way communication. Right.
118 00:22:17.760 –> 00:22:27.510 Jason Mefford: You know, would it be helpful to actually be able to talk to me and bounce ideas back and forth and actually interact with me and develop a relationship with me.
119 00:22:28.170 –> 00:22:38.670 Jason Mefford: Of course it would. Right. And I’m not just saying that because of me, but it’s it’s it’s beneficial for you in anything that you’re learning
120 00:22:39.090 –> 00:22:51.240 Jason Mefford: Right. So again, imagine if you’re learning physics. Okay, you’re in a physics you know college course you’ve got a book you’re listening to the professor’s lecture. Okay, great.
121 00:22:51.600 –> 00:23:01.170 Jason Mefford: That’s teaching us some knowledge, but how valuable, would it be to sit down with that Professor or pick Albert Einstein’s brain.
122 00:23:01.590 –> 00:23:14.550 Jason Mefford: What if you could be part of a community where Albert Einstein was there actually answering questions and saying things and helping you learn as well as just reading some textbook.
123 00:23:15.180 –> 00:23:19.440 Jason Mefford: That’s what community can give you. Okay, that’s, that’s what I’m trying to get across to you.
124 00:23:20.100 –> 00:23:31.320 Jason Mefford: Now, at a time when we are socially isolated. A lot of us are socially isolated right now. We all need community even more. And you’ve heard me say that before.
125 00:23:31.710 –> 00:23:40.230 Jason Mefford: And what I’m going to tell you is I saw again today on LinkedIn and I just think this is stupid, but it’s already a decision that’s been made.
126 00:23:40.710 –> 00:23:50.670 Jason Mefford: The AIA is shutting down some of their specialized LinkedIn groups. Okay. And so, you know, again, I disagree with that. But it’s their decision to make.
127 00:23:51.150 –> 00:24:01.080 Jason Mefford: We need community. And so again, if you’re getting shut out of some of those places, you need to find a community of like minded people where you can hang out.
128 00:24:01.410 –> 00:24:08.070 Jason Mefford: And develop those abilities and experience in addition to your knowledge and skills. Okay.
129 00:24:08.730 –> 00:24:21.300 Jason Mefford: So again, if you’re the kind of person that would like to hang out with people like me. Would you like to know where I hang out. Well, why don’t I tell you, okay, you know, again, if you want to connect more with me.
130 00:24:22.410 –> 00:24:33.060 Jason Mefford: A couple places LinkedIn is one of those. I’m on LinkedIn, every single day if you connect with me if you let me know who you are if you let me know that you listen to the podcast.
131 00:24:33.360 –> 00:24:46.500 Jason Mefford: If you ask questions. I’m going to answer there is a real person on the other side of those direct messages and LinkedIn and his name is Jason and he looks a lot like me okay because it is me.
132 00:24:47.040 –> 00:24:56.310 Jason Mefford: So that’s one of the areas where I’m at now, again, that’s one on one, but it is, you know, bilateral communication at that point.
133 00:24:57.030 –> 00:25:11.070 Jason Mefford: Another place where I hang out is the see risk Academy Facebook group C risk Academy now has a Facebook group again to allow like minded people to come together in a group.
134 00:25:11.520 –> 00:25:17.280 Jason Mefford: And be able to interact with each other. Ask questions get answers, learn from each other.
135 00:25:17.970 –> 00:25:25.590 Jason Mefford: And so I hang out in that Facebook group. So if you’d like to become a member of that Facebook group.
136 00:25:25.950 –> 00:25:35.970 Jason Mefford: And interact with me then join the see risk Academy Facebook group. Okay, there’s a link down below. All you have to do is sign up for a free account and all
137 00:25:36.240 –> 00:25:50.130 Jason Mefford: The link is down below. But as long as you have a free account on see risk Academy. You can join the facebook group and be able to interact with me and with other people in the internal audit risk and compliance space.
138 00:25:51.030 –> 00:25:59.430 Jason Mefford: So that’s another one of the places that I hang out. Now, if you’re a chief audit executive another place I hang out is in the chief audit executive forum.
139 00:25:59.910 –> 00:26:09.390 Jason Mefford: Right. So this is a disk. It’s a forum group, it’s only for chief audit executive, so you must be a chief audit executive to become a member of this
140 00:26:11.640 –> 00:26:21.300 Jason Mefford: Excuse me. But this is another place where I hang out. And so again, if you’re a chief audit executive that wants to hang out with like minded people.
141 00:26:21.690 –> 00:26:30.840 Jason Mefford: Other chief audit executive peers and myself, the chief audit executive forum is where you can do that. And there’s a link below for that.
142 00:26:31.500 –> 00:26:44.520 Jason Mefford: Another place where I hang out is the CIA discussion group. So I created a discussion group on LinkedIn and this is for people who are studying for the certified internal auditor exam.
143 00:26:45.120 –> 00:26:56.580 Jason Mefford: Lots of people have questions about that they want to be able to interact with other people, maybe create study groups and do other things like that. So I have a group on linked in
144 00:26:56.850 –> 00:27:12.450 Jason Mefford: That is the CIA discussion group. So again, if you’re that kind of person that is studying for the CIA exam, you’d like some community around that and like to know and interact with others who are also studying for the CIA exam.
145 00:27:12.930 –> 00:27:18.720 Jason Mefford: There’s another community where you can join. And again, the link is down below.
146 00:27:20.040 –> 00:27:22.080 Jason Mefford: Who Alright my friends.
147 00:27:23.190 –> 00:27:27.480 Jason Mefford: Any questions. Well, if you have questions, you know where to find me. Okay.
148 00:27:29.220 –> 00:27:37.080 Jason Mefford: I hope this was helpful and like I said I’m going to continue to talk more about learning
149 00:27:37.950 –> 00:27:50.880 Jason Mefford: Because again, I, I think this is one of the biggest keys to your success. And unfortunately, most people don’t actually aren’t actually taught how to learn
150 00:27:51.420 –> 00:28:02.490 Jason Mefford: In school, we’re told to memorize things that is not the best way to learn. Okay. And, in fact, a lot of the people that give training and are teachers.
151 00:28:03.000 –> 00:28:09.690 Jason Mefford: Unfortunately, you know, even though they’ve been trained some, a lot of them don’t actually understand
152 00:28:10.680 –> 00:28:22.680 Jason Mefford: Some of how the brain works. And some of these better ways to help people learn. Okay. And we went through a couple of them today. So again, you’ve got some some takeaway skills.
153 00:28:23.220 –> 00:28:39.510 Jason Mefford: Right, that we talked about today. I had some silly examples about Popery, and you can remember popery and how to spell it by a pot pouring imagining a pot pouring P. O. T. P. Oh, you are are I popery okay
154 00:28:40.590 –> 00:28:51.750 Jason Mefford: I hope that was helpful. My friends, and again, I really I do care about all of you that are out there in our profession. I want to make sure that you know that and that
155 00:28:52.710 –> 00:29:03.120 Jason Mefford: What I’m doing actually comes from my heart because I want to help our profession, and I want to help you. Okay. Sometimes I know I probably sound a little crazy.
156 00:29:03.840 –> 00:29:10.020 Jason Mefford: But that’s all right, like Billy Joel said, You know, I may be crazy, but it may just be a lunatic, you’re looking for.
157 00:29:10.620 –> 00:29:20.910 Jason Mefford: At least, that’s kind of what I hope for right had to bring in some sort of music to the end of this episode as well. So with that, my friends go out, have a fabulous next week.
158 00:29:21.780 –> 00:29:30.720 Jason Mefford: You know, again, if you’re interested in lifelong learning, I would highly suggest that you download Jim Quicks book. His new book called limitless.
159 00:29:31.080 –> 00:29:45.330 Jason Mefford: Upgrade your brain learn anything faster and unlock your exceptional life and read through that. And again, if you’re really serious about being a lifelong learner and joining a community of people
160 00:29:46.140 –> 00:30:01.200 Jason Mefford: That are like minded. I gave you some examples of that, during the podcast and the links are below. So with that, my friends keep rocking the audit world and I’ll catch you on a future episode of jamming with Jason see
A great day starts with a good grounding and centering activities. So many people talk about a morning routine as the best way to get started … because it’s true.
In this #fireandearthpodcast episode we talk about some ways to ground and center yourself each morning so you start your day off on the right foot 🙂
The Fire and Earth Podcast gives you practical advice and keys to unlocking your potential in life and business, hosted by Dr. Kathy Gruver and Jason Mefford. Real, raw and unscripted.
#morningroutine #grounding #centering
Transcript
1 00:00:01.740 –> 00:00:06.779 Kathy Gruver: Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the fire and earth Podcast. I am your co host Kathy groomer
2 00:00:07.170 –> 00:00:14.820 Jason Mefford: And I am Jason Medford, hey, today we thought we would talk about being getting grounded and centered
3 00:00:17.010 –> 00:00:18.359 Jason Mefford: being grounded and centered
4 00:00:18.630 –> 00:00:20.370 Kathy Gruver: I’m going to be contrary what’s that mean Jason
5 00:00:20.640 –> 00:00:27.360 Jason Mefford: What’s that mean are we talking about electricity like grounding yourself electricity wise, actually, in a way, we kind of are
6 00:00:28.530 –> 00:00:35.820 Jason Mefford: Oh so grounding grounding and centering right because I know a lot of times we get pushed and pulled different places.
7 00:00:36.330 –> 00:00:45.570 Jason Mefford: And a lot of times, you know, again, when you get up in the morning, you know, if you’re one of those people that grabs your phone. The first thing sometimes, all of a sudden you
8 00:00:47.070 –> 00:00:58.800 Jason Mefford: Not that you would do that right end up getting pulled down and going different places right without even even realizing it. So I wanted to talk a little bit about being getting grounded and centered
9 00:00:59.610 –> 00:01:03.600 Jason Mefford: Because it’s a great way to start your day. In fact, I was just listening.
10 00:01:04.230 –> 00:01:12.120 Jason Mefford: I think Jim Rome and said, you know, never start your day without writing it down, kind of a thing, something, something along that that lines of
11 00:01:12.630 –> 00:01:16.260 Jason Mefford: You know, don’t start your day before you actually write down or kind of plan out what you want.
12 00:01:16.740 –> 00:01:23.790 Jason Mefford: And the other person kind of took that and said, You know, I say, don’t, don’t start your day until you’ve actually you know done it in your mind.
13 00:01:24.420 –> 00:01:34.590 Jason Mefford: And so, you know, the idea is you know if you want your day to go a certain way get grounded and centered at the beginning of the day on and clear.
14 00:01:35.010 –> 00:01:48.090 Jason Mefford: On what you want to happen. And because I know the days I’ve done a better job of that. It’s almost like some of the days just go like clockwork. Yep. I mean, it’s like. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Done.
15 00:01:48.600 –> 00:01:55.950 Jason Mefford: Everything is off my list, you know, and it’s like, how did I get 10 hours where the work done in four hours. I don’t know. But I did you know
16 00:01:56.850 –> 00:02:00.450 Kathy Gruver: I agree with you. I think that’s great. And I used to just sort of jump out of bed and
17 00:02:00.870 –> 00:02:07.950 Kathy Gruver: Not really have a clear path as to what I was doing. And so what I’ve started doing and I’m most people have grabbed my phone in the morning, first thing
18 00:02:08.400 –> 00:02:11.640 Kathy Gruver: And I’ll tell you why. Because I go through my emails.
19 00:02:12.360 –> 00:02:19.560 Kathy Gruver: On my phone to see if there’s anything that absolutely needs my attention right now I go through and delete everything. I don’t need
20 00:02:19.770 –> 00:02:30.240 Kathy Gruver: And it just sort of sets up my day of oh ok that speaking thing came in. Okay, I have to schedule that why need to get there for that. So it helps inform my day. I don’t let it run my day. That helps them for my day.
21 00:02:30.480 –> 00:02:41.760 Kathy Gruver: And that way I know if I have to jump right on the computer, or if I have time to do other things. So I literally lay in bed. I do some stretching. I do a body scan. I see how I’m feeling. What do I call he’s called the chiropractor.
22 00:02:42.900 –> 00:02:49.740 Kathy Gruver: Is it going to be an Advil day, you know. Do I have enough water, that sort of thing. And then I go through my head of. Okay, so I’m going to do the dishes.
23 00:02:50.520 –> 00:02:58.140 Kathy Gruver: Then I’m going to do some speaking proposals that I’m going to return those emails. Then I’m going to and not that that can’t be deviated on
24 00:02:58.380 –> 00:03:09.780 Kathy Gruver: Because I have several animals that seem to need my attention. Whenever they seem to need it, like the scrub. Jay, that’s still sits on my hand and take food for me. I will stop whatever I’m doing to go feed the bird because it’s got me well trained
25 00:03:10.200 –> 00:03:16.800 Kathy Gruver: If you don’t have that in your mind is that that pattern that you want to do, then you just become sort of scattered and I’ve noticed the days that I don’t
26 00:03:17.160 –> 00:03:26.490 Kathy Gruver: plan it out in my head. First is sort of wander around my house going I could do that and then nothing kind of gets done. There’s no direction to it and also taking that
27 00:03:27.840 –> 00:03:36.120 Kathy Gruver: Before you leave the house. I mean, a lot of people, you’re going to get on the freeway, you’re going to be driving, you’re going to be heading out into the world that is sometimes scary and unsafe.
28 00:03:36.360 –> 00:03:50.640 Kathy Gruver: So you want to kind of be the best you you can be as you walk out that door. So take that moment that breath that pause get grounded before you launch out of your house into your day. I just, it’s more productive and safer. Actually, if you’re present in that moment.
29 00:03:51.870 –> 00:03:58.980 Jason Mefford: Well, that’s why I’m there’s there’s different kinds of tools that you can use, right, like one at one of my friends. He has what he calls a daily output booster.
30 00:03:59.490 –> 00:04:08.070 Jason Mefford: Which is is really, you know, you kind of write down the five things that are most important for you to accomplish. You know either. First thing in the morning or from the night before.
31 00:04:08.550 –> 00:04:13.050 Jason Mefford: you prioritize them, you kind of figure out about how long each one of them is going to take
32 00:04:13.620 –> 00:04:20.040 Jason Mefford: And then you know when when that happens like what you just mentioned, right, this, this always happens where all of a sudden
33 00:04:20.580 –> 00:04:29.940 Jason Mefford: Something interrupts us, we’re doing something we’ve switched ego states and we’re just kind of wandering around the house. Like what am I supposed to do next. Well, pick up your list.
34 00:04:30.270 –> 00:04:35.670 Jason Mefford: And look, oh that’s right I was working on this, and you can go right back to that particular thing.
35 00:04:36.270 –> 00:04:45.240 Jason Mefford: It ends up increasing your productivity, you know, by doing something like that so that same kind of exercise that you you know are doing in the morning. Oh, I’ve got to
36 00:04:45.720 –> 00:04:50.430 Jason Mefford: do the dishes and I’m going to send out some speaking proposals and I’m going to do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
37 00:04:50.970 –> 00:05:03.180 Jason Mefford: Because you plan that out if you actually write it down. Anytime you start to get distracted during the day, you can go back to something like that and it’ll help pull you back into where you need to be
38 00:05:03.780 –> 00:05:11.640 Kathy Gruver: Yeah. And then if you find yourself with spare time. It’s like a client is quicker than I thought they would be or a phone calls quicker than I thought it would be. And you have
39 00:05:12.060 –> 00:05:19.050 Kathy Gruver: My god, now have 20 minutes you can have a choice of what you can do to you refer back to your list and go hey, there’s this thing that I could finish in 10
40 00:05:19.410 –> 00:05:28.110 Kathy Gruver: Or do I want to take that time for myself, do I want to go for a walk. Do I want to breathe. Do I want to meditate, do I want to lay down to I want, you know, it gives you options of things to do.
41 00:05:28.380 –> 00:05:35.070 Kathy Gruver: And as we’ve mentioned before, we do need to take time for ourselves. It’s not all about a to do list says the very type a triple Cameron.
42 00:05:36.120 –> 00:05:40.710 Kathy Gruver: Loves her to do list. But there are times that we have to just put the list aside and
43 00:05:41.730 –> 00:05:51.540 Kathy Gruver: Be present, which is that grounding and centering before we launch into the next thing, nothing I wouldn’t encourage all of us, and I’m working on this. This is one of my things is allowing that list to be flexible.
44 00:05:51.930 –> 00:05:56.760 Kathy Gruver: And being okay with something blocking off Tuesday and having to be done. Wednesday.
45 00:05:57.090 –> 00:06:03.180 Kathy Gruver: And we were talking off the air. I been doing tons of speaking proposals and they take anywhere from 10 to 40 minutes
46 00:06:03.480 –> 00:06:09.000 Kathy Gruver: Depending on how elaborate, the proposal is so I might sit down and think I can tear out five proposals and an hour.
47 00:06:09.270 –> 00:06:18.030 Kathy Gruver: Only to discover that one of them is so complicated. And so complex and I’ve got to pull in all this other stuff and I’m going to rewrite a bunch of things. Maybe I only get to done in that hour
48 00:06:18.750 –> 00:06:32.220 Kathy Gruver: Not a failure. It just, it just took longer than I thought it would, you know, so we have to be flexible with ourselves in that list of accomplishments also because things are going to pop up or something more important will have to take our attention, you know. So I think as
49 00:06:33.300 –> 00:06:39.180 Kathy Gruver: As we become more grounded. We’re more okay with that flexibility in that flow.
50 00:06:39.930 –> 00:06:56.910 Jason Mefford: Well, and I think, like you said, you know, if you if you’d plan to do five but you only did two, you know, again, this is an opportunity for us to kind of have that that compassion for ourselves of saying, you know, I can look at this and beat myself up for not getting the other three done
51 00:06:58.410 –> 00:07:02.160 Jason Mefford: Or I can be grateful and happy with myself that I got two of them done.
52 00:07:03.000 –> 00:07:17.790 Jason Mefford: And, you know, doing the ladder is going to help you. And can I keep you grounded and centered instead of, you know, causing you to go down one of these rabbit hole spirals to where all of a sudden you’re like, oh, I’m such a failure. Oh, I know you know kind of thing.
53 00:07:19.260 –> 00:07:25.290 Jason Mefford: You know, and another thing with this to you know with with these words grounding and centered
54 00:07:26.310 –> 00:07:39.360 Jason Mefford: That I’ve kind of, you know, looked at a little bit more, the last week or two, and some of the stuff that I’ve been doing is also thinking about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Are you familiar with that right
55 00:07:39.570 –> 00:07:49.650 Jason Mefford: Absolutely. So, you know, there’s some basic survival needs at the bottom of that pyramid. And if those are not being mad.
56 00:07:50.310 –> 00:08:08.670 Jason Mefford: Then you cannot move up the line. I think he called the highest level self actualization, if I remember right, and so, you know, again, we have to kind of be grounded and centered and feel safe in certain ways for us to be able to do some of this other stuff.
57 00:08:09.330 –> 00:08:11.610 Jason Mefford: And so again, you know, taking some time in the
58 00:08:11.610 –> 00:08:20.280 Jason Mefford: Morning. That’s why, you know, again, we talked about meditation and some of these other things that are, you know, probably should become a part of your morning routine.
59 00:08:20.850 –> 00:08:34.020 Jason Mefford: It helps you to get in that good mind space feel centered feel grounded in feel like you don’t have to worry about those basic needs.
60 00:08:34.350 –> 00:08:44.010 Jason Mefford: Because when you’re focusing on those basic needs, that’s where those feelings of lack come in. And so again, if you’re trying to take an abundant you know mindset.
61 00:08:44.730 –> 00:09:03.660 Jason Mefford: If you’re constantly worried about some of those basic needs, you’re going to be in LAC most of the day. Instead of feeling abundant. So if we can do a few things in the morning to kind of settle ground ourselves and say, You know what, I’m alive and any day above ground.
62 00:09:03.990 –> 00:09:06.810 Jason Mefford: Is a good day. Right, so
63 00:09:07.140 –> 00:09:14.490 Jason Mefford: First off, I’m alive. I’m grateful for that. I’m, you know, if you go through and start doing a few of those things. It’s like, Hmm, I got a pretty good life.
64 00:09:15.000 –> 00:09:25.590 Jason Mefford: The rest of your day is going to be much easier wake up and go, oh, this is hurting. Oh, this sucks. Oh, you know, kind of thing your day is just going to go a totally different way.
65 00:09:25.860 –> 00:09:32.280 Kathy Gruver: Yeah absolutely will set you up for success. And one of the things that I also did the other day is I put systems in place.
66 00:09:32.550 –> 00:09:39.090 Kathy Gruver: I cleared off my desk. I got a little Stacie thing because I’m a pile maker and rather than trying to have piles out I have now piles up
67 00:09:39.330 –> 00:09:47.700 Kathy Gruver: And it’s very clearly marked and I know what they are. And I got a new calendar that I’m writing down stuff and who’s funny, I was actually I was listening to you, but I was looking for a text exchange. I had yesterday.
68 00:09:47.970 –> 00:09:54.120 Kathy Gruver: I had said something to my boyfriend about man. I didn’t get nearly as much done as I thought I would. Because done a little bit of that.
69 00:09:54.390 –> 00:10:02.160 Kathy Gruver: And he said something and I wanted to read it. Exactly. Because it was so brilliant something to the effect of, in thinking about your to do list.
70 00:10:03.150 –> 00:10:09.930 Kathy Gruver: Don’t forget to give yourself credit for your I did, you’re done. Last, you’re done. Listen, you’ve done last. And I was like, yeah.
71 00:10:10.530 –> 00:10:14.880 Kathy Gruver: You know, it’s like, because I was talking about having to get so much stuff done. He’s like, but you already got so much done.
72 00:10:15.180 –> 00:10:20.790 Kathy Gruver: So rather than beating yourself, like you said, beating yourself up for Google News, don’t, don’t give yourself credit for those things you did do.
73 00:10:21.060 –> 00:10:32.820 Kathy Gruver: Now if you screwed off all day. It’s a whole nother thing we do have to take time to screw off. I spent five minutes watching. Whose Line Is It Anyway yesterday accomplishments novel, which I laughed my ass off for five minutes and then which
74 00:10:33.300 –> 00:10:37.920 Kathy Gruver: Okay, I’m back. And I went and did that. Next thing every once awhile you know
75 00:10:38.220 –> 00:10:45.540 Jason Mefford: Well, and see that’s. But see, that’s, that’s actually a kind of thing that we can do to help us in this grounding and centering as well.
76 00:10:46.140 –> 00:10:56.460 Jason Mefford: Right. Is there was you had a need for, you know, kind of changing your emotional state spending five minutes to watch and just laugh, your ass off.
77 00:10:56.940 –> 00:11:06.390 Jason Mefford: Is going to make you much more productive for the rest of the day. Now you got to kind of set a timer do something like that because you don’t want to get sucked down the rabbit hole in two hours later.
78 00:11:06.870 –> 00:11:16.890 Jason Mefford: You know, but but it helps you to kind of shift and re center yourself and get into that emotional state that you needed to be in to go throughout the rest of your day.
79 00:11:17.370 –> 00:11:24.150 Kathy Gruver: Absolutely. And it is it’s an ego state shift and I started to feel so heavy from doing all of this very cerebral
80 00:11:24.960 –> 00:11:35.310 Kathy Gruver: Neither speaking proposal and let me cut and paste. When I say let me craft a new thing that I just wanted to laugh for a little bit. So I went on YouTube and whose line is ANYWAYS, ONE OF MY funniest one of my most favorite
81 00:11:36.720 –> 00:11:46.470 Kathy Gruver: Shows the exercise of what I could sit you what you can say about your blank, but not your girlfriend. So, is what can say about your motorcycle, what you can say about your dog, what you can say about your business, but not your girlfriend I
82 00:11:48.750 –> 00:11:49.410 Kathy Gruver: Know for
83 00:11:51.480 –> 00:11:59.130 Kathy Gruver: Five minutes and just, you know, resetting myself letting work go for just a moment. So, but I can hear the scrub the outside going
84 00:12:01.980 –> 00:12:02.280 Kathy Gruver: Common
85 00:12:03.480 –> 00:12:15.870 Kathy Gruver: But it was just this great way to reset and and ground and center and to get change that focus for just a little bit to get me in a different headspace so that I could then kind of shut off all the stress and go back to
86 00:12:17.100 –> 00:12:18.990 Kathy Gruver: Go back to work when I need to do. Yeah.
87 00:12:20.070 –> 00:12:31.770 Jason Mefford: Well that’s it’s part of taking those breaks, you know, during the day that we can talk about because you know after 20 to 40 minutes. Most of us, you know, our productivity goes down.
88 00:12:32.250 –> 00:12:40.590 Jason Mefford: And so taking those little breaks in between as long as you keep them as little breaks is actually significantly increases your productivity.
89 00:12:41.100 –> 00:12:47.820 Jason Mefford: And I, and I think to, you know, that’s probably one of the reasons why you know on some of those days when it’s well planned out
90 00:12:48.270 –> 00:12:52.680 Jason Mefford: When you’re, you know, kind of accomplishing what you need to do. You’re feeling confident
91 00:12:53.160 –> 00:13:09.390 Jason Mefford: You know, in yourself, taking those little breaks doing those other little things, you’re still able to get everything done usually in less time than you thought. Now, some of the things obviously take us longer, you know, because I talked about that productivity booster.
92 00:13:09.840 –> 00:13:11.610 Jason Mefford: You know, usually whatever I write
93 00:13:11.610 –> 00:13:18.030 Jason Mefford: Down. It really takes me like twice the timer, right, because we tend to underestimate how long it’s going to take us to do stuff.
94 00:13:18.780 –> 00:13:31.710 Jason Mefford: But there’s other things like I remember earlier this week, you know, I wrote down like three or four little admin kind of things that I needed to do and I was very focused and it was like, boom, boom, boom. Five minutes like three things were done.
95 00:13:32.610 –> 00:13:33.600 Jason Mefford: And it’s like, oh,
96 00:13:34.080 –> 00:13:42.270 Jason Mefford: I thought that was going to probably take me an hour, right, it didn’t, because I was again focused. I was productive. I was in the right ego state.
97 00:13:42.750 –> 00:13:49.020 Jason Mefford: At that point, and it was just like, boom boom boom right done. Now I’ve got found time for 50 minutes
98 00:13:49.950 –> 00:14:06.030 Jason Mefford: What am I going to do with that. Well, I could go on to the next one. I can take a break. I can do, you know, whatever. But the more that we kind of plan are centered and grounded in what we’re trying to do, the more productivity, we can have and the quicker we get to where we want to go.
99 00:14:06.630 –> 00:14:10.080 Kathy Gruver: Yeah, I agree with that. And also, again before we’re doing something that is
100 00:14:10.710 –> 00:14:19.830 Kathy Gruver: Requiring a lot of deep thought or physical activity or something dangerous. I mean, it sounds kind of ridiculous but getting on the freeway and driving, especially if you’re in LA.
101 00:14:20.040 –> 00:14:25.950 Kathy Gruver: You really need to be present for that because you need to be just as defensive and drivers. Your offensive, so I’m
102 00:14:26.760 –> 00:14:31.230 Kathy Gruver: Making sure you’re present. And in that moment, you’re going to the task is not only going to get done quicker.
103 00:14:31.440 –> 00:14:37.980 Kathy Gruver: It’s going to be easier it’s going to flow better if you’ve already set yourself up for okay I’m present. Now, all that other stuff isn’t going to be
104 00:14:38.250 –> 00:14:47.850 Kathy Gruver: Monkey Brain is going to be driving you crazy if you’re present in this moment where you grounded you center, you’re like, Okay, I’m gonna do this thing. Now it’s like starting to think of work as a meditation start
105 00:14:48.300 –> 00:14:54.060 Kathy Gruver: That calmness before you start those tasks and you’re going to be better, a better communicator that our leader.
106 00:14:54.240 –> 00:15:03.510 Kathy Gruver: More efficient, more effective. It changes everything. And it’s a pretty simple thing to do. Some people like to hug a tree. Some people actually put their hands on the ground. Some people meditate.
107 00:15:04.050 –> 00:15:12.000 Kathy Gruver: I tend to just take a breath and just, you know, like pause for a second. Take that pause remind myself to be here. Now, that sort of thing. So it’s
108 00:15:12.270 –> 00:15:16.860 Jason Mefford: Well, and that’s the easiest thing to I mean we’ve we’ve talked about breath before
109 00:15:17.340 –> 00:15:18.720 Jason Mefford: It’s something we have to
110 00:15:18.720 –> 00:15:30.000 Jason Mefford: Do anyway and just stopping and taking two to five, deep breaths helps to again bring you back to where you are and then you get going.
111 00:15:30.480 –> 00:15:44.490 Jason Mefford: And if you start getting the monkey mind chatter the hybrid beta wave stuff going on in your brain just stop breathe again for you know 10 seconds 30 seconds. Go back to it, it’ll slow you back down to where you need to be exactly
112 00:15:44.760 –> 00:15:45.420 Yay.
113 00:15:46.530 –> 00:15:53.040 Kathy Gruver: I hope everyone takes advantage of that. It’s such an easy. It’s an easy tool to use to get you more productive and more present
114 00:15:53.430 –> 00:15:59.370 Kathy Gruver: And again, it’s one of those things where it’s free. It doesn’t cost you know any. You don’t need a prescription and there’s no side effects. You just do that thing.
115 00:15:59.640 –> 00:16:06.390 Kathy Gruver: And if you can incorporate that into your day throughout. Then you’re gonna see definitely the results of that and you can unlock your limitless potential
116 00:16:06.840 –> 00:16:10.110 Jason Mefford: Exactly. That’s what we’re here to talk about, isn’t it.
117 00:16:10.800 –> 00:16:12.030 Jason Mefford: Oh, look at that.
118 00:16:15.720 –> 00:16:22.020 Kathy Gruver: Any last. Any last thoughts. I mean, it’s just, it’s such a simple thing, but we forget to do it. So that’s we’re here to remind you to do the simple things.
119 00:16:22.230 –> 00:16:33.360 Jason Mefford: Yeah we did, we just, we just have to have to remember. And so again, you know, like the next time you know later today, tomorrow at some point you’re going to feel a little frenzied and crazy
120 00:16:33.960 –> 00:16:45.960 Jason Mefford: Well, realize that that’s a time just take some time. At that point, try to re center yourself in and get out of that get back into the right ego state that you need to be back into
121 00:16:46.440 –> 00:16:52.680 Jason Mefford: And the more you start recognizing when you’re in those situations and you bring yourself back
122 00:16:53.070 –> 00:17:00.150 Jason Mefford: The easier it’s going to be to bring yourself back every time you need to and and the more you’re in that back.
123 00:17:00.600 –> 00:17:07.650 Jason Mefford: You know space where you’re grounded and centered. The more we operate from that space, the more we’re training ourselves to be that
124 00:17:08.580 –> 00:17:26.250 Jason Mefford: And we’re going to be there more of the time to write. So those those frenzied crazy moments are going to become less and less. The more you practice and actually kind of exercise. Exercise your mind in doing some of these things exactly
125 00:17:26.280 –> 00:17:39.420 Kathy Gruver: Yeah. And we talked about exercising our body and how we can know do applying for two minutes into the 30 seconds it we we build those muscles. We build those muscles of our brain, our consciousness, our psychology as well. I think we kind of forget that. Yep, we do.
126 00:17:41.160 –> 00:17:44.940 Jason Mefford: Her. So with that, I think we’re done for the day go out
127 00:17:45.030 –> 00:17:48.180 Jason Mefford: Ground yourself center yourself, remember to do that.
128 00:17:48.600 –> 00:17:52.980 Jason Mefford: And you will notice a big difference in your day. Yeah.
129 00:17:53.490 –> 00:17:57.420 Jason Mefford: So with that, I am Jason method I can be reached at Jason method calm.
130 00:17:57.720 –> 00:18:11.430 Kathy Gruver: And I’m Kathy group or I can be reached at Kathy Gruber com so thanks for watching go out ground center be present in this moment before you jet out on those tasks that to do list that you’ve got to do today and tune in for another episode of The 500 podcast to
Seems like everyone and their dog is now offering online training saying the equivalent of “We got everything you want honey, We are the people that can find whatever you may need. If you got the money, honey we got your disease.”
I’ve been in the online space now for about 10 years, and I know all the different words people use may be a little confusing to know exactly what you are getting.
In this #jammingwithjason #internalauditpodcast I do a little public service announcement (PSA) to help you hack your way through the jungle by explaining what certain words mean in the online space, what you can expect by the words used, and three questions to ask yourself before you register or purchase online webinars or course … so you know what you are getting and don’t get surprised.
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1 00:00:01.230 –> 00:00:13.590 Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of jamming with Jason Hey everybody, welcome back. I thought this week, I would actually do a little public service announcement.
2 00:00:14.190 –> 00:00:30.150 Jason Mefford: Or what some people call a p s a public service announcement. And the reason for that is, as you can see from the title I have. Welcome to the jungle of online training and you know in this pandemic situation that we’re in.
3 00:00:31.560 –> 00:00:49.440 Jason Mefford: You can look around and pretty much everybody and their dog is now all of a sudden offering some sort of online training where they never did a month or so ago. Now there’s obvious reasons for that. But as I’ve looked around and I’ve kind of seen
4 00:00:50.670 –> 00:00:59.190 Jason Mefford: Some of the things that are that are being put out there. I thought it would be good to just go through and explain a little bit about
5 00:00:59.700 –> 00:01:10.380 Jason Mefford: The online training space. And the reason for that is you know I know many of you have probably done some stuff online. But now, especially with a lot of the
6 00:01:10.740 –> 00:01:19.200 Jason Mefford: The quarantine and you know type of stuff where you’re working from home. A lot of you are looking into that more
7 00:01:19.800 –> 00:01:30.270 Jason Mefford: And there’s some confusing terms that are out there. And so I want to just kind of go through and talk to you about that explain what some of these terms mean.
8 00:01:30.900 –> 00:01:41.940 Jason Mefford: So that you really know what you’re kind of getting into because, again, as I said, Everybody in their dog. Now all of a sudden is doing stuff, you know, virtually online.
9 00:01:42.450 –> 00:01:46.860 Jason Mefford: And they’re throwing terms out there that I know may be a little confusing for some of you,
10 00:01:47.400 –> 00:01:53.760 Jason Mefford: And I say everybody in their dog because there’s a lot of people out there. And honestly, some of them are a little bit of dogs.
11 00:01:54.390 –> 00:02:03.630 Jason Mefford: It’s not really that good content because they’re just getting started in this space. Now, I’ve been in the online space for at least probably about 10 years now.
12 00:02:04.230 –> 00:02:13.230 Jason Mefford: And with C risk Academy. We’ve been running a virtual a learning platform for at least the last four years.
13 00:02:13.710 –> 00:02:29.460 Jason Mefford: So I’m very comfortable in this space. And like I said, I just want to make sure and give you some information. Explain what some of these terms are because what you’re going to find is anytime that we have a little upset as we’re seeing right now.
14 00:02:30.480 –> 00:02:38.100 Jason Mefford: Excuse me, there’s a lot of people that are kind of fly by night they show up. They kind of jump in, take advantage of the opportunity
15 00:02:38.550 –> 00:02:47.190 Jason Mefford: When things get back to normal and a few months, they may not be around. Okay. And so again, as I’ll go through and talk about some of these different terms.
16 00:02:47.670 –> 00:02:55.680 Jason Mefford: But also give you some things to think about. So that you know what you’re getting yourself into or what you what you should be able to expect.
17 00:02:56.340 –> 00:03:08.130 Jason Mefford: By some of the terms that people are using now I used, you know, the Welcome to the jungle, because you know if any of you are also hair band, you know, 80s hair metal
18 00:03:08.760 –> 00:03:19.890 Jason Mefford: Fans like me or like Guns and Roses, actually the first verse of this song is pretty fitting for what kind of frenzy is going on out there right now.
19 00:03:20.400 –> 00:03:39.840 Jason Mefford: So if you remember, right. Welcome to the jungle. We’ve got fun and games we’ve got everything you want. Honey, we know the names. We are the people that you find whatever you may need if you’ve got the money, honey. We got yo disease right and and that actually
20 00:03:41.100 –> 00:03:48.420 Jason Mefford: Kind of accurately describes what a lot of people do in these times, they tell you that they’ve got whatever you need.
21 00:03:48.750 –> 00:03:56.730 Jason Mefford: Even if they don’t, but if you’ve got the money, honey. We’ve got your disease. We’ll figure out how to provide whatever it is that you want.
22 00:03:57.300 –> 00:04:09.270 Jason Mefford: So let’s jump in and talk about some of these different terms that get thrown out there and what they mean. Now there is a difference between learning and training.
23 00:04:09.750 –> 00:04:19.530 Jason Mefford: And so again, sometimes, most of the time you’ll see the word training. And if you remember before when I’ve talked about knowledge, skills, you know, the this
24 00:04:21.090 –> 00:04:31.350 Jason Mefford: Case model, you know, knowledge, skills, abilities and experience how we really need all four of those. In fact, to be able to learn
25 00:04:32.100 –> 00:04:48.240 Jason Mefford: Now training normally only focuses on providing us skills and knowledge, where a learning platform actually provides you opportunities to do all four of those and actually really learn the information
26 00:04:48.870 –> 00:04:57.840 Jason Mefford: So if you see people using words like learning platform you’re going to know that they’re more interested in you actually learning the information
27 00:04:58.410 –> 00:05:03.870 Jason Mefford: Instead of just showing up and giving you some knowledge and skills and then they’re gone. Okay.
28 00:05:04.620 –> 00:05:19.530 Jason Mefford: Now there’s there’s terms online versus virtual now those two terms are usually used interchangeably. So online means usually you’re doing it online through the Internet.
29 00:05:20.520 –> 00:05:33.060 Jason Mefford: Virtual again you’re doing it online. So those two terms are usually pretty synonymous. So if somebody says they’re doing online or they’re doing virtual it means you’re doing it through the computer.
30 00:05:33.690 –> 00:05:43.440 Jason Mefford: Now that is different from what usually the term is in person, which means you’re physically in the room with other people.
31 00:05:43.920 –> 00:05:57.540 Jason Mefford: And so again, now that you know a lot of you can’t travel a lot of the in person training has been cancelled. So people are switching from in person to virtual or online. Okay.
32 00:05:58.260 –> 00:06:09.360 Jason Mefford: Now I’ll come back and I’ll talk a little bit more of those because now as we start talking about some more of these terms. We’re going to put them together and actually share with you what that actually means to
33 00:06:10.410 –> 00:06:25.770 Jason Mefford: Another couple of terms to talk about webinar versus a course. Now again, many of you are probably familiar with webinars you sign up for a webinar. It shows at a particular date and time.
34 00:06:26.160 –> 00:06:35.820 Jason Mefford: So you get on your computer. You watch at a particular date and time most webinars are actually done like I said at a particular date and time.
35 00:06:36.690 –> 00:06:54.990 Jason Mefford: A course is again can be something that is online or in person, but in a course, it is usually there’s more modules to it. It’s not just one one particular thing like one topic like you might actually get in a webinar. OK.
36 00:06:55.920 –> 00:07:05.070 Jason Mefford: Now I’m going to start putting some of these words together because again you see people say things like, on demand webinar live webinar or webinar.
37 00:07:05.520 –> 00:07:20.340 Jason Mefford: And what does this actually mean what is the difference between these three now an on demand means that you can get it when you want to. So you don’t have to wait for a particular date and time.
38 00:07:21.090 –> 00:07:31.350 Jason Mefford: Anytime. It’s on demand, meaning you can go out and actually you know sign up and watch, whatever it is, right, then so
39 00:07:32.730 –> 00:07:39.540 Jason Mefford: On Demand webinars are usually it is a webinar format so usually one hour or two hours.
40 00:07:40.110 –> 00:07:58.680 Jason Mefford: That someone has previously recorded and they’re allowing you to go out and watch it when you want to, instead of at a particular date and time. Okay, now a live webinar is where the people that are actually doing the webinar are talking live so
41 00:07:59.730 –> 00:08:11.520 Jason Mefford: Excuse me, a lot of times I’ll answer questions. Do things, you know, during that particular time because they’re literally online at exactly the same time you are
42 00:08:12.090 –> 00:08:26.490 Jason Mefford: Now most webinars now are what are called previously recorded webinars, even though you show up at a particular date and time those conversations have usually been recorded beforehand.
43 00:08:27.090 –> 00:08:36.480 Jason Mefford: Now, a lot of that is just because, again, of the technology and wanting to make sure that there aren’t issues with the technology because sometimes live events.
44 00:08:37.440 –> 00:08:49.950 Jason Mefford: Have issues. So again, you know, if you think about if you go to a live play as opposed to a recorded movie. The movie has all been edited everything works just right. If you go to a live play
45 00:08:50.370 –> 00:08:56.700 Jason Mefford: You know, somebody could fall down, somebody could forget their lines, different things like that. Okay, so
46 00:08:57.420 –> 00:09:05.310 Jason Mefford: From a webinar standpoint, as I said, most of the time webinars are actually previously recorded, even though they don’t say that.
47 00:09:06.120 –> 00:09:13.950 Jason Mefford: So the only difference between an on demand webinar and a regular webinar is you get to show up and do it when
48 00:09:14.550 –> 00:09:29.580 Jason Mefford: You want to, instead of at the particular date and time. Okay, now with a webinar. Usually what that is is it’s it’s one opportunity to watch, whatever it is. Okay, so think about this. I want you to think about
49 00:09:30.270 –> 00:09:39.090 Jason Mefford: This is a great analogy a webinar is like going to the movie theater. So if you want to go see the latest movie.
50 00:09:39.570 –> 00:09:48.180 Jason Mefford: You look up in your movie at the movie theater and see what date and time. This is playing you go and you buy a ticket.
51 00:09:48.750 –> 00:09:56.430 Jason Mefford: Or there’s free webinars as well so you, you just have to have a ticket to show up at that particular date and time you go in
52 00:09:56.970 –> 00:10:08.610 Jason Mefford: You watch the movie you leave, you get one opportunity to watch that movie. So again, usually. That is what webinars are. It’s a once, and that’s it.
53 00:10:09.150 –> 00:10:17.550 Jason Mefford: So the problem is if you decide, hey, I really liked that. Well, I’m sorry. You don’t get to watch it again. Usually, okay. That’s how webinars.
54 00:10:18.150 –> 00:10:33.150 Jason Mefford: Typically work. Now if we compare webinars with what are called regular on demand, you know, again, on demand means you can get access to that knowledge when you want to
55 00:10:33.630 –> 00:10:43.350 Jason Mefford: There are on demand courses as well rights. And again, depending on how things are set up and I’ll talk about that in a little bit here.
56 00:10:44.010 –> 00:10:55.530 Jason Mefford: Because there are some things that you want to be looking at when you’re considering online training, you know, as far as some of the things that the provider actually gives you
57 00:10:56.220 –> 00:11:02.790 Jason Mefford: And we’ll talk about that here in just a minute. But let me let me go back again and and kind of, you know,
58 00:11:03.750 –> 00:11:10.200 Jason Mefford: summarize what we’ve learned so far. And then we’re going to learn a couple more topics and then I’ll pull it all together for you.
59 00:11:11.040 –> 00:11:23.700 Jason Mefford: So again, the difference between learning versus training. Training is just giving you knowledge and skills. It’s usually they just give it to you have to figure out how you’re going to, you know,
60 00:11:24.660 –> 00:11:34.590 Jason Mefford: Actually assimilate that and and develop your abilities and how you’re going to get the experience and put that into practice. Right.
61 00:11:35.550 –> 00:11:46.860 Jason Mefford: Online versus virtual. Those are pretty much the same term. It means you’re doing stuff with the computer webinars versus courses, again, usually webinars are a one and done.
62 00:11:47.610 –> 00:11:53.490 Jason Mefford: The courses, maybe one and done as well. That’s one of the things we’ll talk about here in just a minute.
63 00:11:54.300 –> 00:12:04.080 Jason Mefford: So on demand. Again, usually means that you’re able to go out and take the course or consume the content whenever you want to.
64 00:12:04.770 –> 00:12:18.540 Jason Mefford: So if we go back to our movie ticket example I said webinars are like a movie ticket you show up at a particular time and place, and you get that content once and done.
65 00:12:19.110 –> 00:12:37.410 Jason Mefford: Now the difference usually between an on demand webinar or or a webinar versus an on demand course is usually the course you are allowed to or you have access to it for longer. So it’s not just one and done.
66 00:12:38.070 –> 00:12:49.350 Jason Mefford: It’s, it’s, like, instead of having a movie ticket and going to see that that show one time you actually have access to the movie, you’ve bought the movie.
67 00:12:49.680 –> 00:12:58.110 Jason Mefford: It’s like buying the DVD and I know most people don’t buy DVDs anymore. But, you know, think about, like, if you’re buying a movie through apple
68 00:12:58.470 –> 00:13:06.750 Jason Mefford: Right, you can choose to rent the movie, which would be like a webinar or you can choose to purchase the movie.
69 00:13:07.470 –> 00:13:15.720 Jason Mefford: Which would be like some of these on demand courses where you can go back and look at them as many times as you would like to
70 00:13:16.470 –> 00:13:23.370 Jason Mefford: Now let me ask you. Is there a difference in the pricing on renting versus buying
71 00:13:24.150 –> 00:13:33.390 Jason Mefford: And of course the answer is yes, usually to rent where you’re only watching at one time. It’s cheaper than it is to buy it.
72 00:13:34.050 –> 00:13:46.530 Jason Mefford: But most of the time if you think you’re going to look at it more than once, usually makes more sense to just purchase it instead of just renting the movie so that just happened. Actually, this week we
73 00:13:47.190 –> 00:13:58.620 Jason Mefford: My, my family watching Joe. Joe rabbit again. We saw it in the movie theater. We really liked the movie. And so we knew we were going to buy it when it came out and was available.
74 00:13:59.550 –> 00:14:07.380 Jason Mefford: And so we were watching it. The other night. And again, the prices came up. I could rent it for 599 or I could buy it for 999
75 00:14:07.680 –> 00:14:17.670 Jason Mefford: Well, of course, I’m going to buy it because I know I wanted to watch it the second time. I’m probably going to go back and watch it again. A third, fourth, and fifth time
76 00:14:18.030 –> 00:14:25.860 Jason Mefford: So even though it’s a little bit more expensive for me to buy it. It’s actually cheaper and a better investment for me to do that.
77 00:14:26.340 –> 00:14:37.980 Jason Mefford: And so that’s one of the things you want to think about as well as you’re looking at online training. Is this something you only want once or do you think you’re going to want it more than one time.
78 00:14:38.850 –> 00:14:47.640 Jason Mefford: And again, learning platforms will provide you different opportunities for that and I can kind of explain how serious does that here in just a minute as well.
79 00:14:48.630 –> 00:15:00.330 Jason Mefford: A couple of other terms that you might hear sometimes people talk about online forums or online summits. So what’s the difference between those two.
80 00:15:00.870 –> 00:15:10.920 Jason Mefford: Well usually an online summit is kind of like a virtual conference. And so again, people that are used to putting on conferences.
81 00:15:11.310 –> 00:15:22.920 Jason Mefford: may call it a virtual conference were in the online space. Most people usually refer to that as an online summit, so usually a summit brings together.
82 00:15:23.580 –> 00:15:33.900 Jason Mefford: Experts from different areas. You sign up for the summit, which is usually, you know, a half a day full day maybe a day and a half or two days.
83 00:15:34.470 –> 00:15:46.260 Jason Mefford: You show up online and you watch the presentations from different experts and so it’s effectively like an online conference. Okay. And again,
84 00:15:46.620 –> 00:15:56.910 Jason Mefford: A lot of people that are used to using the word conference now are just saying online conference instead of summit. So if you see both of those terms, if you see somebody saying summit.
85 00:15:57.420 –> 00:16:02.490 Jason Mefford: It’s an online conference or if you see somebody saying online conferences really a summit. Okay.
86 00:16:03.210 –> 00:16:17.460 Jason Mefford: Now, the difference between a summit and a forum is usually a forum has a discussion aspect to it. And so what ends up happening is usually there is audience participation in it.
87 00:16:18.120 –> 00:16:33.450 Jason Mefford: So as an example, you may have a presentation from an expert on a particular topic then people break up into these breakout rooms, maybe talk about it and provide feedback from the audience as well.
88 00:16:34.020 –> 00:16:46.440 Jason Mefford: Usually, like I said conferences and summits are usually a one way communication, people are giving you the information versus a forum. There is usually a back and forth.
89 00:16:46.980 –> 00:16:57.360 Jason Mefford: Where you’re actually having discussions with the experts as well. Okay. So that’s again, a couple of the other terms that you’re probably seeing out there now.
90 00:16:57.840 –> 00:17:02.280 Jason Mefford: As I told you at the beginning, this is really kind of a public service announcement for everybody.
91 00:17:02.910 –> 00:17:07.500 Jason Mefford: Because I know it can be a little bit confusing because all these different terms are coming at you.
92 00:17:08.280 –> 00:17:20.010 Jason Mefford: So one thing if you can do me a favor is is share this with your friends and colleagues as well because again we need to get the word out there. So people actually know
93 00:17:20.850 –> 00:17:30.360 Jason Mefford: What they’re getting themselves into because I don’t want people, you know, buying something and then realizing it wasn’t what they thought it was going to be
94 00:17:30.900 –> 00:17:35.250 Jason Mefford: And so please share this episode with your friends and colleagues as well.
95 00:17:36.030 –> 00:17:45.300 Jason Mefford: Now, here’s some stuff for you to consider and think about as you’re looking at some of these different online training options right
96 00:17:45.840 –> 00:17:56.520 Jason Mefford: Is, you know, you want to look at is this something that you only have access to one time, or is this something that you have lifetime access to
97 00:17:57.330 –> 00:18:08.940 Jason Mefford: Because again, if you’re going through and trying to learn something. The reality is, you’re probably going to need to review it a couple of times, you know, the we learn through repetition.
98 00:18:09.600 –> 00:18:18.420 Jason Mefford: And so again, if it’s really something that you want to learn, you’re going to want to look for something that allows you this lifetime access
99 00:18:19.140 –> 00:18:23.610 Jason Mefford: You know, the equivalent of buying the movie, instead of just renting it
100 00:18:24.360 –> 00:18:31.620 Jason Mefford: Now depending on the learning platform, what ends up happening sometimes is you do have an option. So, for example, see risk Academy
101 00:18:32.130 –> 00:18:43.830 Jason Mefford: If you, if you watch one of the webinars and you really love it and you want access to it. Usually, they will give you and they do give you a discounted price.
102 00:18:44.310 –> 00:18:50.670 Jason Mefford: If you came to the webinar you showed up and you decide, you know what, I’d like to have lifetime access to that.
103 00:18:51.060 –> 00:19:02.490 Jason Mefford: They usually give you a discount for that. So everybody that registers for the webinar has the opportunity to buy the course for cheaper than the normal price. Okay.
104 00:19:02.880 –> 00:19:13.830 Jason Mefford: And again, that’s because see risk Academy is a learning platform. They want you to learn. They don’t want to just show up and give you content once and then leave you on your own.
105 00:19:14.190 –> 00:19:19.740 Jason Mefford: They want to help you through the whole learning experience. So again, as you’re looking at things.
106 00:19:20.250 –> 00:19:28.830 Jason Mefford: Figure out, is this something you’re going to only have one access to or is this something that you’re going to have lifetime access to
107 00:19:29.670 –> 00:19:38.250 Jason Mefford: Another one is to look at because I told you at the top. You know, everybody in their dog is doing this. And honestly, some of the online stuff.
108 00:19:38.730 –> 00:19:52.320 Jason Mefford: Is a dog. It’s not very good information. And sometimes people will charge you. You’ll pay them. You go through the, the, the training or the course and find out this really was a big waste of my time.
109 00:19:53.100 –> 00:20:07.110 Jason Mefford: And and it didn’t, you know, accomplish or give me what I thought it was going to now most online providers do not refund your money, most of them take the money and run. That’s a
110 00:20:07.920 –> 00:20:15.450 Jason Mefford: Reference to a Steve Miller song, take the money and run. Okay. But so, again, one of the things you want to be looking at is
111 00:20:16.050 –> 00:20:23.310 Jason Mefford: Does this actually offer a guarantee or are you stuck with what you buy
112 00:20:23.850 –> 00:20:31.380 Jason Mefford: Now again, if it’s a fly by night place they’re probably going to take your money and they’re not going to give you a refund because they’re just worried about making the money.
113 00:20:32.040 –> 00:20:43.710 Jason Mefford: Now contrast that with again somebody like see risk Academy, they provide a 30 day money back guarantee on all of their courses. Why, because they know
114 00:20:44.220 –> 00:20:54.450 Jason Mefford: Their information is not crap. Okay, so if you go out and you take the course and you realize, you know what, this didn’t do what I thought I wanted it to do or it wasn’t what I thought it was
115 00:20:55.020 –> 00:21:08.580 Jason Mefford: They will gladly give your money back within 30 days most online providers do not do that. So you want to look again are you on the hook for it, or is there a guarantee.
116 00:21:09.330 –> 00:21:22.740 Jason Mefford: Because again, people that are giving a guarantee usually have higher quality content and they’re going to be around for you in the future because they actually run this as a real business right
117 00:21:23.160 –> 00:21:30.750 Jason Mefford: So again, think about this as if you go to a store anyplace else if you go in and buy something you’re not happy with it.
118 00:21:31.380 –> 00:21:39.690 Jason Mefford: Some stores tell you, tough luck. You’re out of your out of luck. I’m not giving you your money back. But the real reputable stores.
119 00:21:40.140 –> 00:21:56.400 Jason Mefford: will gladly give you your money back or exchange it or they they all have different refund policies, but, you know, a company that’s really in this for the long term is going to offer some sort of guarantee so look and see if you’re going to get that. Now again,
120 00:21:57.540 –> 00:21:58.980 Jason Mefford: You want to think about, too.
121 00:22:00.120 –> 00:22:11.220 Jason Mefford: Is this something that I want to have to show up at a specific date and time for or what I prefer to just do it at my own leisure.
122 00:22:11.640 –> 00:22:20.880 Jason Mefford: That’s another thing that you need to consider. Right. There’s lots of free webinars that are out there, but it requires you to show up at a particular date and time.
123 00:22:21.270 –> 00:22:30.540 Jason Mefford: Now again, if something happens and you miss it. It’s as if you bought the movie ticket. And if you don’t show up. Well, I’m sorry, but you kind of missed it. Right.
124 00:22:31.200 –> 00:22:39.360 Jason Mefford: So these are kind of three things that I think you should be considering as you’re hacking your way through the jungle.
125 00:22:39.750 –> 00:22:47.130 Jason Mefford: And trying to figure out what online training or learning is going to be best for you. So again, ask yourself.
126 00:22:47.880 –> 00:23:02.760 Jason Mefford: Is this something that I only get to view once or do I have lifetime access to it. Okay, second question. Yeah. Is there a guarantee associated with it, or am I stuck with whatever I get
127 00:23:03.420 –> 00:23:14.070 Jason Mefford: And the third one is, do I want to show up at a particular date and time or do I want to just purchase it and be able to access it on demand.
128 00:23:14.490 –> 00:23:24.090 Jason Mefford: whenever I want. Okay, so that hopefully will give you. And as I said, again, we went through some different terms that you’ll be seeing out there.
129 00:23:25.050 –> 00:23:30.240 Jason Mefford: That as your as you’re looking through this and trying to figure out what’s going to be best for you.
130 00:23:30.960 –> 00:23:37.110 Jason Mefford: Now as I’ve told you before, don’t just take something because it’s free. If it’s not going to
131 00:23:37.710 –> 00:23:46.380 Jason Mefford: benefit you in your career. Don’t waste your time on it, because time is something you cannot get back. Okay.
132 00:23:46.830 –> 00:24:06.720 Jason Mefford: And so again, I want you to make sure that you’re actually getting information that’s going to benefit you in your life and in your career. Okay. Because again, if you stop and think about it. I know a lot of people have really been kind of trained to look for free training.
133 00:24:07.800 –> 00:24:17.850 Jason Mefford: But I would ask you do you do you do everything else for free. Do you only look for free books do you only look for free food.
134 00:24:18.390 –> 00:24:31.740 Jason Mefford: And the, the, the idea of that is just kind of ludicrous right that we we purchase and we do the things that actually are a value to us something that’s going to improve our life.
135 00:24:32.580 –> 00:24:45.630 Jason Mefford: And actually, you know, especially when it comes to learning and training. These are things that are important because your brain that little thing up inside your head is your most valuable asset.
136 00:24:46.260 –> 00:24:52.110 Jason Mefford: And the more you learn, the more your earning potential is going to increase.
137 00:24:52.560 –> 00:25:06.780 Jason Mefford: And that really is your asset in this digital space. So make sure that you’re filling it with things that are that are good high quality content and things that are relevant for you.
138 00:25:07.620 –> 00:25:12.510 Jason Mefford: Okay, my friends. So we’ve kind of come through this talked about a lot of these different topics.
139 00:25:13.080 –> 00:25:24.300 Jason Mefford: That are out there, you know. But again, I know that you know podcasts are kind of a one way communication. So if you have questions about today’s episode.
140 00:25:25.110 –> 00:25:36.660 Jason Mefford: Make sure and connect with me on LinkedIn, send me a personalized request in when you do, then we can connect and we can actually direct message back and forth as well.
141 00:25:37.110 –> 00:25:49.050 Jason Mefford: So again, good luck out in the jungle of online training. If you’ve got questions, reach out to me through LinkedIn and again as I, as I mentioned, kind of midway through
142 00:25:49.680 –> 00:25:58.740 Jason Mefford: This is really intended. It’s just me talking, I wrote down a few words that I kind of wanted to talk through kind of unscripted with you.
143 00:25:59.820 –> 00:26:11.340 Jason Mefford: But view. This is really a public service announcement, because I want you to know what you’re getting into. I want you to ask yourself those three questions every time you’re looking at getting some sort of training.
144 00:26:11.850 –> 00:26:27.120 Jason Mefford: Because I want to make sure that you get what you’re expecting and you get that high quality information. So with that, my friends, I’m going to sign off this week and I’ll catch you on a future episode of jammin with Jason. Have a great week.
