Today we speak with Alicia Cramer who is a business mindset coach and a business development consultant who has worked with a lot of entrepreneurs over the years.
A lot of times entrepreneurs are not held back by their product, advertising, contacts etc… But held back by their mindset.
so kick back, take a listen and learn how you can change your mindset and bring in more business success!

Reach out to Alicia on her website: https://aliciacramer.com/

Listen in at: http://www.jasonmefford.com/fireandearthpodcast/

Transcript

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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast i’m your co host Jason medford.

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Kathy Gruver: And I am Cathy grew her, and we are so excited to have another phenomenal guest with us today alicia Kramer is here and we’re going to learn about how we can magnify our business i’m so excited hey Lisa thanks for joining us.

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Alicia Cramer: Thank you so much for having me.

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Kathy Gruver: So why don’t you tell everyone a little bit about who you are what your background is and what you’re doing now.

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Alicia Cramer: Sure well i’ve been a business mindset coach for over a decade, in addition to that i’ve also been a business development consultant so i’ve worked with entrepreneurs on.

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Alicia Cramer: both ends of the spectrum obviously as a mindset coach i’m working more intimately with people, so if i’m first first line there you know when they’re encountering their stuff.

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Alicia Cramer: i’m that confidential place where they can actually go and spill it, and then we help them shifted and from the business development side of things i’m seeing how the unspoken mindset stuff is affecting people’s business growth, so it has been.

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Alicia Cramer: it’s been a fun journey and it’s something i’m absolutely passionate about and hopefully we can talk about some stuff that might just you know shift a few things for people today.

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Kathy Gruver: yeah that’s so cool so you say unspoken mindset stuff, how do you know it’s there if it’s if no one tells us, I mean, how do you dig and find that.

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Alicia Cramer: Well, I specialize in that, so I can see.

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Kathy Gruver: Okay.

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Jason Mefford: Well, and it’s one of those I mean like you said you know I I think so much of what holds people back in their business is the mindset stuff.

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Jason Mefford: it’s not the doing it’s not the funnel it’s not the website copy it’s it’s so much the energy and the mindset behind it and having somebody like you in confidence right because we don’t want everybody to know that we don’t know what we’re doing right here.

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Jason Mefford: is great, and in the end, I think I mean again you’re going to talk us through this, but sometimes just having somebody to talk to, and actually verbalizing some of this stuff and getting it out of our head helps to release a lot of that.

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Alicia Cramer: yeah it’s very true a lot of people over think it and there are times, where we have to pull out some deeper level tools.

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Alicia Cramer: And we might need to use some different reconditioning methods to work through some of those deeper traumas or those really sticky mindset issues that just don’t seem to budge.

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Alicia Cramer: But oftentimes like you said we’re so.

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Alicia Cramer: acclimated to our beliefs and our expectations about things that we don’t even realize when we’re hitting our own self imposed limitations, they feel natural to us, they feel normal to us.

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Alicia Cramer: And our mind is so good at justifying them they seem so real and I always ask people I say.

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Alicia Cramer: Is it a law of the universe this belief that you have is it a law of the universe that affects absolutely everyone, regardless of any other circumstances, it is not a law like the law of gravity than it is just a belief, it is just a habit and it can be changed.

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Kathy Gruver: yeah I love that you point that out, because we do we have these you know, man is not a rational animal manos rationalizing animal.

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Kathy Gruver: And we can convince ourselves of anything we can convince ourselves that so much as true whether it’s that success or that failure that perception of things.

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Kathy Gruver: And we can always shift that so I love that you said it if it’s not a law of the universe let’s let’s shift that so someone comes to you, they have one of those things it’s not a law of the universe not fighting against gravity.

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Kathy Gruver: What are the steps that you take to help them shift that perspective.

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Alicia Cramer: The first step is always to point it out.

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Alicia Cramer: And oftentimes what will happen is and even with my clients i’ve been with me for years so i’ve seen tremendous growth in them, and these people are very successful you know they are.

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Alicia Cramer: Owners of very you know very successful companies in many cases they’re making a lot of money, it had a lot of success we’ve seen a lot of growth they’ve learned a lot during our time together.

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Alicia Cramer: But it’s really easy to get sucked into those stories and so they’ll be off on their on their you know tangent and really like you can feel you can feel their energy just getting sucked right into it, you know.

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Alicia Cramer: And I have to interrupt them, we have to break that like.

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Kathy Gruver: You know.

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Alicia Cramer: just stop right there and pointed out, and when it’s one of those one of those things that they’ve really been dwelling on a lot like you know recently.

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Alicia Cramer: They sometimes they they’re a part of them wants to fight that a little bit you know part of them wants to really hold on to that limitation they really want to.

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Alicia Cramer: Prove no i’m really the victim here, you know I really can’t control this, and when we actually start to look at it and we start to unravel that.

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Alicia Cramer: A lot of times you just have to see how irrational you’re actually being before the mind can start to let go of that justification.

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Alicia Cramer: Once you get to that place, then the shift can become much, much easier and a lot of times, we have to reframe things we have to look at things differently.

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Alicia Cramer: We have to see things from a completely different perspective than the way that they’ve been previously looking at them and we it’s sometimes hard to do that for ourselves.

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Alicia Cramer: It takes a lot of deliberate intent to be really, really, really honest with ourselves about the things that we’re so convinced our limitations.

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Alicia Cramer: And you look at your life and you look at the types of results that you’re getting and you can see there’s probably a lot of consistent patterns.

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Alicia Cramer: You know if you’ve been consistently making about the same amount of money every year guess what you want to make more and chances are you probably do you’ve got some type of self imposed limitation.

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Kathy Gruver: yeah and it takes someone outside of yourself, you can’t see the dirt on your face right, so it takes somebody outside of you to go, you know i’m noticing this thing and kind of call you and your bs a little bit so yeah now that’s.

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Kathy Gruver: What as coaches that’s what we do, we look at things and go, I see that thing and we hope and get over that thing Jason you click you’re about to say something.

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Jason Mefford: Well, because I was going to say you know I mean we’re all we’re all unique right and we’re all unique little snowflakes or whatever you want to call writer, we all.

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Jason Mefford: But but, but what I found to, and it was one of the to see if this is true, with your clients, as well as we all tend to think we’re more unique than we are.

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Jason Mefford: And, most people you know I mean again i’m guessing that there are certain themes that you tend to see in business owners.

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Jason Mefford: there’s there’s there’s a certain you know, maybe two or three or I don’t know.

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Jason Mefford: But maybe if you could kind of talk to that what are some of the common things that we all struggle with.

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Jason Mefford: Because I think part of it is you know again so much of the time we think we’re so different than everybody else and and and we’re probably not I guess is kind of where i’m going right is up and.

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Alicia Cramer: yeah and i’m i’ll sometimes tell my clients when they’re in that.

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Alicia Cramer: In that story.

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Alicia Cramer: Your ego is an asshole.

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Alicia Cramer: Because that that’s the part of US that’s out of alignment that right there is telling me.

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Alicia Cramer: you’ve got unresolved fears doubts insecurities and you’re compensating for that, with the puffery right, you know when you are seeing somebody out there being.

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Alicia Cramer: Just a prick right those people, they have oftentimes way more inner stuff than most people realize that’s why they’re acting like that it’s no different than the bully out on the playground.

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Alicia Cramer: Right, the bully is the bully because he’s hurting inside and the victim is the victim because they’re hurting inside and I always say you know.

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Alicia Cramer: Once that once that victim changes inside of themselves they’re no longer a match to that bully that bully can try and it’s just not going to work and they’ll go find somebody else where they can bully so.

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Alicia Cramer: We as business owners we’re driven we’re motivated we’re passionate you know we feel called to create.

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Alicia Cramer: And that is a really, really good thing but oftentimes what happens is we’re trying to.

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Alicia Cramer: say yes to ourselves we’re trying to make things happen in our lives and in our businesses but we’re encountering encountering all of this internal resistance.

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Alicia Cramer: The fears that we’re coming up against the self doubt the mind can really easily support us with the things that we’ve done before.

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Alicia Cramer: But when we are encountering something new, a new level of growth, a new thing in our business that we’ve never done before.

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Alicia Cramer: There is this unknown factor, and when the subconscious mind doesn’t know what to do, it’s kind of like the deer in the headlights syndrome.

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Alicia Cramer: You just freeze it’s overwhelming there’s no frame of reference, so we have to start to create that for ourselves, and we do that by learning new information by.

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Alicia Cramer: Reading by having mentors by visualizing by starting to set ourselves up for that next level of success, so there are subconscious mind has a frame of reference.

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Alicia Cramer: And we’ll still encounter our fears our doubts our insecurities because we all have plenty of them, I mean we’ve we’re all human and we’ve been raised by humans and we’re surrounded by humans.

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Alicia Cramer: And so there’s all sorts of wacky stuff that are you know it’s just part of our initial conditioning we’re going to encounter those things but.

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Alicia Cramer: You have to at least set the stage for yourself to succeed by creating more of those knowns in your subconscious mind or you’ll never be willing to do the hard stuff you’ll never be willing to take that leap forward into the unknown territory.

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Kathy Gruver: All right, wow yes, I love that you’re talking about the knowns and that you know.

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Kathy Gruver: Our brain moves towards things that it’s familiar with.

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Kathy Gruver: So if we’re constantly reinforcing those fears it’s just going to find more and more of that it’s going to look for that it’s going to look for the failure.

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Kathy Gruver: Which is crazy because we say we don’t want it, but if that’s what we’re saying you know that’s what all we’re seeing we’re going to keep moving towards that, so I love this so.

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Kathy Gruver: Excuse me see we’ve identified we’ve called it out like hey you’re doing that thing we’re trying to shift the perspective on it.

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Kathy Gruver: what’s The next step for somebody that’s really stuck because those voices are in there, I mean whether it’s the old old mom stuff or old teacher stuff or you know how do we quiet those voices, how do you do that with people.

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Alicia Cramer: You know I always say you’ve got to be willing to do the work it is a lot of inner work, and it is not one of those things where you go and you have a session.

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Alicia Cramer: One for one hour a week and you’re all better you know I always tell clients I don’t have a magic wand I don’t get to just you know.

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Alicia Cramer: make all of your stuff go away instantaneously, this is about learning new ways of thinking learning how to identify when you’re hitting.

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Alicia Cramer: Your blocks and your upper limits and how what tools to use to help to shift those and there are quite a few different tools and it’s not a one size fits all.

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Alicia Cramer: When I was a general hypnotherapist a lot of times, people would come to me, and they would say you know well i’ve tried everything but I haven’t tried hypnosis so Hopefully, this is the one that’s going to get it.

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Alicia Cramer: And you know I started to explain to people there’s no one magic therapy there’s no one magic.

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Alicia Cramer: Anything really you know it’s about having a toolbox because, just like using the analogy of building a house or fixing something in your House.

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Alicia Cramer: Sure great you’ve got a hammer that’s going to come in handy sometimes but you know what a hammer, is not going to screw in that nail.

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Alicia Cramer: So we have to have this this toolbox of different mindset tools, because some are going to be more effective for certain things than others and we want to be empowered because we’re encountering our stuff, we have to be with ourself.

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Alicia Cramer: 24 hours a day, seven days a week, right and you have to be able to.

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Alicia Cramer: shift things when it comes up because, otherwise, what happens is we get sucked into the current of that negativity.

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Alicia Cramer: And I always say it’s like being a hamster on a wheel you’re running running running running running spinning with this problem and you’re getting nowhere except exhausted.

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Alicia Cramer: So be willing to do the inner work, and when you start to learn these tools understand that this isn’t just a do it once in a while.

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Alicia Cramer: This becomes a new way of thinking, a new way of being and if you’re really aspiring for a life that you truly love you will be willing to do that, because the alternative is.

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Alicia Cramer: keep doing what you’ve been doing, are you where you want to be, do you feel the way that you want to feel do you have the success that you want to have.

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Alicia Cramer: And more than likely, the answer is no, so we all know that sucks right it doesn’t feel good when we’re struggling with problems it doesn’t feel good when we have a goal, and we are not getting the result that we want.

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Alicia Cramer: So why not take a couple seconds or a couple of minutes here and there, throughout the day and when you encounter those things.

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Alicia Cramer: do some inner work to clear those things away to shift those things to reframe those problems in your own mind, so that you can be more in alignment and more congruent with yourself and keep moving in the direction of what you truly want.

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Jason Mefford: And I think if you use the word tools to right and I, and I think most people listening it’s I mean heck I grew up my dad was a contractor I got a whole garage full of tools right.

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Jason Mefford: Physical tools and I think we all understand that easy enough like you said you know you wouldn’t you wouldn’t put a screw in with a hammer, except for one guy that I knew he used to joke you put screws in with a hammer, you take him out with a screwdriver but.

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Jason Mefford: that’s not the normal Okay, but but we understand that right because that’s familiar to us, I use a screwdriver for one thing I use a hammer, for something else.

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Jason Mefford: But when it comes to some of these mindset or mental things I think people forget that there are tools, just like a physical hammer that we can use.

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Jason Mefford: And it is like you said it’s not just going to a session once a week and then doing nothing in between.

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Jason Mefford: That doesn’t help you right, I mean that’s that’s why again things like talk therapy take years and years and years and years.

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Jason Mefford: Because if you’re not practicing if you’re not applying some of these things in between the sessions you’re never going to actually grow and learn right, I mean it’d be like going to go into the gym once a week for an hour and then doing nothing else in between.

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Jason Mefford: results.

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Jason Mefford: yeah you’re gonna get.

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Alicia Cramer: Nothing at all, but is it going to get you to where you really truly want to be.

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Alicia Cramer: Probably not I mean unless that’s all you need right there were always those rare occasions and I don’t really work with clients in this capacity anymore, but you know back when I did general hypnotherapy or I did you know eft.

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Alicia Cramer: With clients on that more like you know session by session basis there would be somebody who would have.

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Alicia Cramer: One issue that was just really causing trouble for them and they just wanted to get rid of that.

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Alicia Cramer: They were not in a growth mindset they didn’t really care about personal development, they didn’t really care about any bigger vision goals so like this thing is hurting me please get rid of it.

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Alicia Cramer: And you’re going to have that and that’s Okay, you know there’s no judgment more than likely they’re probably not listening to this because you know that’s not the mindset, so if you really want to aspire to create better things for yourself.

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Alicia Cramer: You have to adopt the that real passion for your own personal growth you’ve got to be willing to do things differently and then you’ve done them before and that doesn’t mean that you give up the things that you love.

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Alicia Cramer: To the contrary, it means you actually love your life more it might mean giving up the news because you’re just pumping negative stuff into your subconscious you’re just bringing yourself down.

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Alicia Cramer: But more than likely if you’re saying yes to yourself, by giving up on putting negative stuff in your subconscious you’re ready for it anyway.

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Alicia Cramer: Right you’re ready for that change, and what I found is that you know, sometimes we want to hold on to things because it’s old and familiar and we don’t even like it.

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Alicia Cramer: And when somebody gives us permission to just drop it it’s like Oh, why didn’t I think of that.

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Kathy Gruver: yeah well it’s our brain would rather stay with the thing that’s familiar.

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Kathy Gruver: Even if it’s horrible then risk going outside of that you know it’s the known hell, as opposed to risk and going out and trying something else so yeah that’s great So what are some of your favorite tools i’m so curious if I forgot, you were a hypnotherapist.

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Kathy Gruver: I we’ve had so many hypnotherapist hypnotist on the show, because I do that as well, so other than that what are some of your favorite tools that you bring out for some of your clients that are stuck or need that mindset shift.

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Alicia Cramer: So you know I got my start in this realm actually I shouldn’t say I got my start as a hypnotherapist um before that.

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Alicia Cramer: I actually started as an eft practitioner so eft is still a tool that I use, and that was way back in 2006 before it like hit the Internet and was like you know, a big thing you know big phenomenon.

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Alicia Cramer: And then in 2008 in eight I got my my certification as a hypnotherapist so I.

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Alicia Cramer: You know kind of pivoted transition and then I quickly realized that it’s just one tool and in order to really get the type of results that I wanted for my clients, we needed to be able to use multiple tools.

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Alicia Cramer: So, then, I started to shift from you know just the the tool mode mode of you know, helping people to.

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Alicia Cramer: incorporating a variety of different techniques, and so I am trained in different types of energy work I have studied universal laws, I have my master’s degree in metaphysical science, so we bring a lot of that in two sessions.

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Alicia Cramer: And I learned some different techniques over the years that are kind of just from experience and understanding how the subconscious mind works so nlp is obviously a part of it and there’s a lot of different.

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Alicia Cramer: Little things that kind of come into play so releasing energy so little bits of different modalities that i’ve used over the years that I bring into the work that I do with my clients and I teach them these.

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Alicia Cramer: I teach them the tools, basically, so that they can then apply them when they’re needed and a lot of this work is about.

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Alicia Cramer: what’s coming up for you right now let’s shift that with the tool that feels most appropriate right here, right now and then let’s reinforce that you’re you know you’re catching yourself when you’re feeling out of alignment.

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Alicia Cramer: and getting yourself back into the right mindset now I always tell my clients.

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Alicia Cramer: This is not about just finding everything that is wrong with you and fixing it because, like you said earlier, the more you focus on something the more evidence you’ll see of that.

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Alicia Cramer: Our goal is to always stay focused on where we’re going on what we’re wanting to create.

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Alicia Cramer: And as we are on that path we’re going to bump up against our stuff that’s when you pull out the tools, so we don’t go on a deep.

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Alicia Cramer: Little tools and techniques like when somebody finds themselves in any type of negative emotion doesn’t matter what it is, if it’s fear doubt stress overwhelm any negative emotion you just catch yourself in that as soon as you can.

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Alicia Cramer: And you recognize Well that is me basically envisioning something in my future that I don’t want so it’s really just a form of negative visualization.

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Alicia Cramer: Because by asking yourself that question, and this is pretty much widely taught now I think Tony robbins teaches it all the time right you ask a question.

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Alicia Cramer: And the mind starts to search for answers, so when you ask yourself what would I prefer to feel your mind starts to reach for that it starts to look for that.

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Alicia Cramer: Well, I would prefer to feel confident, I would prefer to feel empowered I would prefer to feel successful I prefer to feel wonderful and energized and alive and guess what you just did in that moment.

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Alicia Cramer: you changed your state you changed your mindset you’ve shifted from worry right and creating something you don’t want to creating a future probability that you would much rather be in you’ve raised your vibration.

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Alicia Cramer: And you also every time you do that you’re reconditioning that old habit of worried you’re reconditioning yourself to.

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Alicia Cramer: Catch yourself sooner when you’re feeling negative emotions and to pivot that to shift that.

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Alicia Cramer: that’s powerful you know it’s not just a simple, I mean it seems like a simple little thing but it’s so powerful, because if you’re willing to do that, throughout the day each and every day.

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Alicia Cramer: I mean that’s a lot of positive reconditioning that you’re doing without much effort and let’s face it, it wasn’t hard.

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Alicia Cramer: And how much better, do you feel and how much more productive, are you going to be and how much more effective, are you going to be at achieving your goals when you’re in that more positive mindset.

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Alicia Cramer: Then, if you are letting yourself get pulled off of your path with the old fears doubts and worries are just old habits that’s all it is and we need to create new empowering habits and we do that, little by little, step by step through repetition.

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Kathy Gruver: Such a simple question.

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Alicia Cramer: What I prefer powerful yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: And we feel like we have to sit in that you know it’s the touch your hand of the hot stove and you go oh that’s hot you don’t put it there and go wow that’s warm that’s gonna hurt in a second what’s that smell that doesn’t feel.

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Kathy Gruver: emotional sensations though we sit in that and we wallow in that we keep feeling and over and over again, and then it reminds us to the last time we felt that and then we’re What if we feel it again and.

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Kathy Gruver: Rather than simply shifting that and saying what would I like to feel instead that’s brilliant I love that.

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Alicia Cramer: Different city.

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Alicia Cramer: And it and it can keep moving you progressively up that vibrational emotional scale as long as you’re willing to just keep going into it.

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Alicia Cramer: Because, as you’re doing it you’re really building positive momentum right, it might just first start with that question, and it might be reaching right you feel yourself reaching for something that feels a little bit better.

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Alicia Cramer: or brings you up a little bit, and then you start to build more momentum on that we know that you cannot under most circumstances go from a very, very low.

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Alicia Cramer: emotional state, up to a very, very high emotional state it’s just too big, of a of a jump if you’re really stuck in depression and you’ve been in that State for a while.

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Alicia Cramer: you’re not immediately going to go into bliss you’re not it’s too big, of a vibrational variance.

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Alicia Cramer: But you can start to break it, you can start to move up just a little bit get a little bit of relief and even if that’s the the answer to your question, I would feel better, I would just feel a sense of relief I would feel more peaceful I would feel.

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Alicia Cramer: hopeful right and what are we doing we’re slowly moving ourselves up incrementally you know I sometimes like joke with my clients in sort of a loving but poignant way.

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Alicia Cramer: Right, you want to go from the bottom of the staircase to the top and just take one big jump and it doesn’t work that way.

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Alicia Cramer: You have to take the steps now here’s the thing right when your mind is down here you’re thinking to yourself, oh that’s going to take so long it’s gonna be so much work.

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Alicia Cramer: No, it feels better and better every step it’s a good thing, even if you only take that one step it’s better than being down in misery.

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Alicia Cramer: You know, bring yourself up a little bit, and then you can bring yourself up a little bit more, and before you know it you’re going to be so much better ah yeah it’s worth it it’s worth the time do the inner work yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: At each step takes you closer because you’re definitely not gonna it’s not an escalator you can’t just stand there you have to take the step what.

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Kathy Gruver: Someone said the other day, what is the what is the best time to plant a tree 10 years ago what’s the second best time today, you have to take the step you can’t go should have done it then because you can’t time machine I don’t have that yet.

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Kathy Gruver: I could only play basketball with my kids for 15 minutes last night before my back hurt and it’s so irritating my stupid bet and I went.

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Kathy Gruver: You couldn’t shop three or four months ago I sent you play basketball for 15 minutes, with your kids look at how far you’ve come and she.

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Kathy Gruver: Had a sit in that realization that yeah she couldn’t even walk around the grocery store before and now she’s playing basketball with our kids what a huge leap that because she did it.

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Kathy Gruver: She couldn’t see that progress, so this is the other thing I love about coaching and doing what we all do, is to remind them.

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Kathy Gruver: But look how far you’ve come look those amazing steps that you’ve taken from where you are you can’t see all that movement that you had so I just I love the yeah the stairs that staircase it’s a good example.

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Jason Mefford: Well i’m guessing to right alicia that your clients have probably done this too right where it’s just like what Kathy was talking about with her client.

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Jason Mefford: Because, as business owners are so driven we’re so focused we’re so passionate we tend to just beat ourselves up to.

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Jason Mefford: right because, again we we just feel like we’re never enough never enough we’ve just never right and and and that plays into all of this stuff as well to where you know stopping reflecting looking back.

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Jason Mefford: at how far we’ve actually come right because we never accomplish what we think we can in a day, but in a month or a year we accomplished, much more than we could have imagined.

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Alicia Cramer: it’s very true.

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Jason Mefford: Keep that keep that momentum going yeah.

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Kathy Gruver: yeah beautiful and, of course, once again I have to be the bearer of bad news we’re out of time.

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Kathy Gruver: We have such incredible guests, we could have these conversations all day long but at some point we must end any final thoughts alicia anything that any other tips that you need to want to throw in real quick and then how can we reach you any other final thoughts are you Jason.

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Alicia Cramer: So I would just say you know if you’re feeling called to do something if you’re feeling inspired to do something let’s say.

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Alicia Cramer: You know, you do have a grow have a goal for growth in your business and you find that there are those feelings of maybe unworthiness or.

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Alicia Cramer: You know, do I deserve this level of wealth, do I deserve this level of success or you know, maybe this is just as good as it’s going to get for me yeah we played a game with ourselves too.

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Alicia Cramer: Then it is the right thing to do, it is right for you to have it, it is right for you to create it, how much.

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Alicia Cramer: If it feels like the right thing to do, if your inner guidance is saying yes to expansion and yes to grow, you will never feel whole and complete if you do not follow through on that you will not, and you will not be of the highest service to anyone.

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Alicia Cramer: You have to be willing to challenge that old paradigm, you have to be willing to prove to yourself, by going within and feeling that that inner guidance.

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Alicia Cramer: You have to remember you are not doing anyone any favors by playing small if your heart is saying go big.

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Alicia Cramer: You better do it because that’s, the only way you’re going to be in alignment and congruent with yourself and it’s, the only way that you’re going to be fully of service to all the people who.

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Alicia Cramer: need you, and they need you in a higher vibration, they need you to be the best version of yourself, does that mean that you won’t have off days does that mean that you won’t trip over your stuff no we all do.

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Alicia Cramer: that’s just part of learning and growing it’s just part of the journey, but if you’re sitting there and you’re staying stuck in your limitations.

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Alicia Cramer: You know you’re not you’re not doing your work, you are not doing your work in the world, so you’ve got to be willing to be really, really honest with yourself about.

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Alicia Cramer: What you’re feeling and what are you being called to do and an A calling is not just a spiritual thing it’s like that is our inner guidance, that is our inner guidance saying this is where we’re supposed to go and we’ve got to honor that.

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Alicia Cramer: And then to also just say if anybody wants to get Ahold of me, the best way to do that is through my website it’s alicia Kramer calm a Li si Ay Ay si R a m er calm all my social media links are on there.

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Alicia Cramer: If you feel inspired you can schedule a complimentary consultation and email is there as well, if anybody just wants to reach out.

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Jason Mefford: Well, this has been great alicia, and again I mean we kind of started off talking about you know magnify your business and anybody who owns a business wants to magnify their business.

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Jason Mefford: But it it just comes back again same thing i’ve been hearing lots lots before if you want to magnify your business magnify yourself.

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Jason Mefford: and your business will magnify right and it’s it’s just what you said it’s it’s it’s getting more aligned it’s being willing to do the work to actually learn the tools.

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Jason Mefford: implement the tools, because, as we magnify ourselves and our energy vibration power increase.

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Jason Mefford: Your business has to increase as well, it just but trying to to work, the other way around it just doesn’t work folks and so alicia Thank you, this has been it’s been great i’ve learned a lot as well myself so did.

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Kathy Gruver: Everybody reach out i’ve known alicia for APP for ages.

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Kathy Gruver: She does amazing stuff So if you are feeling stuck and magnify yourself your growth your business reach out to her she’s incredible so thank you so much for being here so great yeah absolutely i’m Kathy gruver I can be reached at Kathy gruber.com.

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Jason Mefford: And i’m Jason method, I can be reached at Jason method calm so go out have a great week start implementing some of these things and reach out to alicia and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast so yeah.

In today’s episode we discuss how to live longer and healthier lives by looking into the multifaceted ways that a person can be suffering.

Dr. Pat Boulogne has a chiropractic and acupuncture background with studies in kinesiology, that has dedicated her life to helping people get over various ailments that are negatively effecting their lives.

If conventional medicine hasn’t been helping any condition you may have, give this episode a listen because there may be other ways to recover!

Reach out to Dr. Pat at: https://healthteamnetwork.com or email her at: [email protected]. You can find her book: “Why Are You Sick, Fat and Tired” on Amazon and check out her upcoming course “Stronger Than Medicine.”

Listen in at: http://www.jasonmefford.com/fireandearthpodcast/

Transcript

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Jason Mefford: Welcome to another episode of the fire and earth podcast i’m your co host Jason medford.

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kathygruver: And I am Kathy gruver and we are so excited to bring you another amazing guests so excited to have a conversation with his lady Dr pat below is here hey how you doing.

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Patricia Boulogne: hey doing.

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kathygruver: Good good why don’t you tell everybody a little bit about who you are what you do, how you got to this point and and we’ll have a good chat.

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Patricia Boulogne: Well, I have a textured background and I have a very diverse background i’m originally from the Midwest so yeah why I always talk about when i’m meeting people from the Midwest and you guys from California is there’s always an immediate camaraderie you know and.

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Jason Mefford: And even even people from California, because my family came from the Midwest and the direction right yeah.

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Patricia Boulogne: yeah yeah see so it’s like we are DNA.

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Patricia Boulogne: Is the DNA and we’re right now we’re not all not our DNA to and that so you know when I was in the Midwest I use as a kid I used to always be really interested in science used to try to do things like train bs.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, put them in a jar roll the heck out of them my father just make sure you’re pointing at you are the opposite direction or standing.

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Patricia Boulogne: And do things like that, so I ended up going to school chiropractic school I used to live in Ann arbor first and then I decided not to be a medical doctor.

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Patricia Boulogne: I did some volunteer work for independent study for my undergraduate degree at the University of Michigan hospital on St joe’s hospital, they were connected.

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Patricia Boulogne: and a friend of mine said you’ve got all the requirements to be a chiropractor you should be a chiropractor and I like Why would I want to do that.

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Patricia Boulogne: And he goes, because you can help people get well and not use medicine, you know and have them function better and I like I don’t know I don’t think I want to do that, you know and then.

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Patricia Boulogne: A couple months afterwards I was working as a waitress and working on an MBA I dropped out of my MBA Program.

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Patricia Boulogne: I hurt my shoulder and went to see this chiropractor and an arbor and I was watching him, you know do what he did in the Office like walk around in the such and.

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Patricia Boulogne: I decided that he was never going to touch me, and it was my first thing my second thing was I figured if he did I could do it, I could do it better, and so I applied to school and I went and I never looked back i’ve had some incredible teachers and my time that.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, always had that you know, one of my mo is is do good have fun another mo fine is you know what you got isn’t necessarily what you got.

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Patricia Boulogne: Oh i’m, then you know and then from that time span than I would have I found other people that I learned, you know significant things from like Jeff bland who’s out on the west coast he’s alive and well.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so, he he always talked about you know functional medicine, I was like what the heck is functional medicine and then he had a company in gig harbor.

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Patricia Boulogne: Can that was connected with a company that I still use products of theirs, because I found that I get the best results with them that’s my genetics.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so it, you know, and I apply my programs that I give to people I do them myself, you know I recently had a really bad case of an allergic reaction food poisoning acute.

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Patricia Boulogne: That you know when I within three days after getting my programs I started a particular medical food and that I felt so much better, you know, and I did some other things that.

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Patricia Boulogne: Were things that you know friend of mine called me up from he was a PhD from Albert Schweitzer right and he said Oh, do you know what he used in the jungle for dysentery.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so we have these you know I had all these people kind of re cross my path by X acupuncturist we all got in contact with each other right around the same time, and they really share these tidbits of wisdom for things like that which made everything made a big difference.

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Patricia Boulogne: So I was on Cape cod for 10 years, then I went to Boston for 10 years and then I decided to go to acupuncture school.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so, when I went to acupuncture school people always ask me if I studied my formulas and herbs in Mandarin.

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Patricia Boulogne: People always ask me what you’re doing you’re finished with that I said retire, this is really hard work and I never realized how much brain power that really stuck out to me it during that like you know, two two and a half, three year program you know that I was in.

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Patricia Boulogne: And you know so even like you know, a year later, I sell thinking like Why do I want to sleep.

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Patricia Boulogne: or anything it’s just that you know you’re just really you know use a lot of brainpower so so I have this in my toolbox, of how I help people you know i’ve learned things like you know doing myofascial release you know, in particular people’s applied kinesiology.

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Patricia Boulogne: I, you know how to use needles for emotional to get rid of the emotional component, so that you can really go deep.

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Patricia Boulogne: quickly, as opposed to waiting two or three months, why you know, trying to figure something out and i’m a sports physician to said i’ve worked things like the Boston marathon.

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Patricia Boulogne: I worked at Special Olympics when it first came out at Harvard and he just had some really wonderful great experiences.

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Patricia Boulogne: Helping sick people get well and well people to maintain their wellness and also offering people information, excuse me, so that.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, you could get the information that you needed so that you can make an educated decision about what’s best for me to go forward, not me me me Dr pattern meaning, you know, whoever I was you know, helping with.

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Patricia Boulogne: Is the paradigm shift from the world is flat to the world is round.

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Patricia Boulogne: In medicine, and so what it does, is it it’s very individualistic so it takes what going on with a person their whole person and how they are interacting with their environment.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know whether it’s the food that you eat the water you drink the air that you breathe the chemicals that he is in your House to clean your House.

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Patricia Boulogne: Or the fertilizer gardening things in life and how that interacts with you.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then, how your body’s responding to it, because if your immune system is totally blown out and you have constant perpetual exposure to that you eventually develop things like chronic illness and disease.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and that take away from your good health and take away from your precious time on the planet and also interfere with your relationships.

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Patricia Boulogne: With your parents family, friends, it, you know it limits your mobility, you know it’s always it’s always sites when you’re saying those things you know I always say pain is not a lifestyle.

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Patricia Boulogne: And it’s not it’s just an indicator that something’s going on, and the idea is to be a CSI agent and figure out where the heck is that you know, like where’s the inflammation at.

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Patricia Boulogne: All the reasons why we get sick, you know when you look at it from a functional medicine point of view.

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Patricia Boulogne: Is it’s three basic reasons why we get sick once trauma, which creates inflammation and that starts at birth.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then you have the toxins we just talked about that couple seconds ago I mentioned the air, the water, you know the food that we eat.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and then you have your thoughts and thoughts can do anything you know a good chunk of whatever you do good to get your mechanics in alignment like by seeing a chiropractor osteopath or whoever and.

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Patricia Boulogne: And also can do you know the things that we all know that, like oh I just had a really great meal and i’m really happy about it, then you get upset you’re not digesting your food.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and then you stay up you know you’re not getting sleep there’s a whole you know big dynamic with.

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Patricia Boulogne: What I call the five pillars of health, you know, like diet and nutrition and are two different things you know, under the same umbrella, I mean you could have.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, unless you have good great nutrition with your diet, then there could be a component that’s out of place their piece of the puzzle is gone.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, proper exercise proper sleep.

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Patricia Boulogne: Positive mental attitudes huge you know and that properly functioning nervous system that really you know is integral with the.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know your posture how you’re standing how you hold yourself where your head’s at you know, on your body and where you know what your spine looks like, so this is huge yeah.

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Jason Mefford: i’m like.

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Jason Mefford: Still processing half of what you just said i’ve.

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Jason Mefford: taken some notes too.

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Jason Mefford: But it’s you know it always fascinates me to meet people like you, thank you because because i’m kind of the same way and that it looks like you have you’ve studied lots of different things you’ve looked at different.

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Jason Mefford: different ways of thinking about some of this stuff and then you’re picking those good things that work and bringing them into a way that you can help that individual as an individual right.

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Jason Mefford: It could be because, again, you know I mean we’ve talked with lots of people, you know hypnotherapist other you know types of therapists.

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Jason Mefford: The gamut of a lot of different people and what always interest is interests me is some things work better for certain people.

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Jason Mefford: and other things don’t right so it’s it’s it’s like trying to find that be like that CSI agent that.

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Jason Mefford: You just talked about what is it that Jason or Kathy needs, because we are different individuals and other people and you’re you’re doing that you’re helping people know that individual level.

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Patricia Boulogne: Sometimes on the intuitive part you know if I ever do acupuncture on somebody I always when i’m looking at the emotional component.

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Patricia Boulogne: I use kinesiology on meridian points that i’m interested in for those particular reasons, and you know a lot of times people end up crying.

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Patricia Boulogne: Because I have been using meals yeah because I like what’s going on, let you know tell me what’s going on with X, Y and Z.

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Patricia Boulogne: And one of my mentors always used to say what you got isn’t necessarily what you got and that’s why you have to cut through those layers.

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Patricia Boulogne: And you know it’s also being able to like reading between the lines yeah and like listening to what people are saying.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and do it just like you know just being open and just you know to say like well, did you ever think of this for solutions, I love solving problems.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know it’s just like my friend of mine said that’s what your book, why are you sick and tired that’s What it does is a solve someone’s problem is show somebody were to start their health journey so you’re not wasting time, energy or money right someplace else.

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Patricia Boulogne: And it’s just it’s really it’s um I have a you know I found that gift that i’ve been given to do that, and I use it pretty extensively a lot of time.

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kathygruver: that’s so great that’s why we have you on so you use the term chiropractic I think pretty much everybody now, at this point, knows what a chiropractor does.

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kathygruver: You said acupuncture though people might not understand the exact how of it, I think they’ve heard of it so explain to people what kinesiology is because I, I know what that is but a lot of people don’t So how do you use kinesiology and what is that what does that system.

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Patricia Boulogne: Well kinesiology can give you a subclinical value, and so, if you are proficient at muscle testing, you can.

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Patricia Boulogne: enter somebody’s energy field like Michael gerber wrote a book years ago which the name exactly escapes me, but it was.

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Patricia Boulogne: it’s a book that took me like two years to read it was very heavy kind of it was written for the lay person.

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Patricia Boulogne: But you know we have energy fields around us, so if you can get into somebody’s energy field and learn a specific technique for that kinesiology my technique was tpm or total body modification is what it means.

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Patricia Boulogne: um and also and he just Scott Walker who’s still in South he’s in San Diego area.

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Patricia Boulogne: and taking those things, and like learning how to like you know the those acupuncture points because they relate to acupuncture points How did we get in there and.

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Patricia Boulogne: be able to help somebody get that information from them like what do they really need like comedy you know, sometimes I use it to you know, like well if I want I call it pulsing.

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Patricia Boulogne: Someone that like how much you know how many of these the supplement natural supplements, you need to take.

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Patricia Boulogne: To get you, you know to refill your bank and how many days, do you need to do it in it’s just a subclinical level it’s not you know, like you know.

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Patricia Boulogne: black and white and there’s a lot of Gray area to it, and sometimes you can’t test somebody because you can’t get into that field.

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Patricia Boulogne: With them, and so I always say it’s like you know go with the flow do it next time, no big deal, but the kinesiology is when you test when something makes somebody test stronger a point.

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Patricia Boulogne: Then it’s usually indicative that’s a good thing for someone whatever it is, you know, sometimes when i’m you know first testing people when they’re disbelievers I use things like.

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Patricia Boulogne: Like mustard catch up, you know things that are like what do you got your purse and in like or your cell phone someone tested me one time on a cell phone that had an EMF blacker in it.

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Patricia Boulogne: And you know I tested strong and this person with it may have said, you must have some device on you.

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Patricia Boulogne: yeah and I did I have my cue link that I were all the time.

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Patricia Boulogne: And I you know, and when I lived in B airspace in Boston and I was trying this first study for acupuncture I couldn’t focus because you’d had all this stuff going on in downtown Boston.

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Patricia Boulogne: And after I did this, it was like I could just sit in front of the computer, I felt protected, and I could concentrate very significantly for course.

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Patricia Boulogne: Sometimes you know so kinesiology is just a way to like happen, be able to use like a typewriter to get into someone’s energy field and get into their body to see if whatever you have to offer them, you know, is something that’s complimentary for them in their for their well being.

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kathygruver: Very cool yeah Jason you had an idea.

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Jason Mefford: Well, as you were talking, I was, I was remembering so again i’m still kind of new to the genealogies side of it, you know and so as you’re as you’re talking about it, but I remember my younger brother.

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Jason Mefford: He actually did some therapy stuff To begin with, so tell me if this is what what what it kind of actually is, but he would.

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Jason Mefford: The therapist would put like salt in his hand and then haven’t pulled out his arm and he kind of push on his arm and he put metal in his hand and kind of do some different things like that to kind of get a feel for.

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Jason Mefford: You know what made him stronger, you know versus weaker kind of thing that’s that’s kind of what you’re what you’re talking about there a little bit, I think.

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Patricia Boulogne: yeah I mean it’s a secret, you can use food, you can use, you know your environment, you can you, you know, like it for.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, for somebody like you know, can you drink coffee right everyone, you know it’s just like people either like or they don’t but if they drink coffee, some people, probably should never have it.

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Patricia Boulogne: And it might just it might just be a certain brand of coffee because coffees have a tendency to have mold in them if they’re not stored properly.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so, if you’re testing somebody on coffee, you could have coffee that doesn’t have mold or mode and you could test people on to see Just to give you a sub clinical level of whether or not.

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Patricia Boulogne: something’s working for somebody or something is something is really attracting you know from that person’s health and wellness in their energy field.

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Jason Mefford: so effectively as you’re testing people with those different things you’re because it’s close to them or on their person you’re kind of in their energy field, and so, then see how the energy we have them us interacting with whatever it is that you’re testing against.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know I always go on the basis of whether or not a person wants to have that happen so like you know some of us like they might want to have that happen, but it might not be an energetic day for them to do it, so when I when you.

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Patricia Boulogne: I asked the body for permission.

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Patricia Boulogne: Before I perform that type of service, and so in when I and how I do it is by muscle testing, so if I have there’s an entry point right between your eyebrows.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know that you just place two fingers on when I muscle test somebody in that chest week then i’m okay i’m good to go.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, because i’m you know they’re saying i’m asking, can I get in and their energy fields going down so it’s like Bingo.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then you know if I can’t then there’s a little trick of trade that I learned to like confuse the body, a little bit and see if I could still do that can.

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Patricia Boulogne: happen just keep their eyes open and shake their head and I go back and I muscle test again and if it’s if it’s you know states like the state’s strong, then I would just say like you know next time.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, with will do.

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Jason Mefford: Whatever they’re resisting.

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Jason Mefford: yeah allowing you to kind of come in and see what’s going on.

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Patricia Boulogne: Right, you know, and I always learned from Dr frank, who did the total body modification that you first have to fix structure.

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Patricia Boulogne: Before you do any of this stuff anyway so you’ve got to have somewhere to start to help somebody because structures function if you don’t have good structure, then you can’t happen function.

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Patricia Boulogne: And so you’ve got you know go go go, you know always got the basics, you know let’s let’s fix the basics let’s fix the Foundation and then you can do it and have fun, you know and do a lot of other different things that’s cool.

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kathygruver: You also you would also talk about inflammation and I know that was a huge buzz a couple years back, and worse about chronic inflammation and foods that are inflammatory and drinks that are inflammatory How does that inflammation affect the body and how do we help get rid of that.

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Patricia Boulogne: Well, you know there’s you know when you talk about you know just mentioned, food, one of the things about food is that people sometimes can have reactivity to food and not have that reactivity show till about four or five days later.

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Patricia Boulogne: So it’s really difficult like when you’re looking at you know, like an immediate way is that when you eat food, if you get tired after you eat.

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Patricia Boulogne: Or you feel like my stomach you know kind of feel like, like the other day I went out and I had a you know, I was feeling like I wanted to have a beer, you know I took like four steps you know for drinks of it, and I put it down I could just feel it when I hit my stomach was like.

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Patricia Boulogne: Like splash thinking I don’t think this is a good idea, you know pay for it left I got to have my beer fixed for the whole summer.

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Patricia Boulogne: So.

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Patricia Boulogne: But the.

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Patricia Boulogne: When they first get up and if they’re achy they’re sore they’ve got something going on some place.

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Patricia Boulogne: than they should really take a look at what food that they ate and even when you have go through the day and you’re eating.

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Patricia Boulogne: If you start feeling like you know oh it’s the afternoon God my back’s killing me Oh, what did I have you know Oh, I had dessert at lunch.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know so staying away from sugar, you know as a sugar or sugar substitutes, you know, is really a good thing, a lot of people think, having sugar substitutes is OK.

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Patricia Boulogne: But the problem with them is that the sugar substitutes makes things a lot worse for your gut you know, for you to be able to lose weight it interferes with that you actually gain weight with sugar substitutes and so.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, taking and looking at like mapping out your food.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know and mapping and just like you know I just ate this and, like an hour and a half later man I needed to go lay down, then you probably had too many carbohydrates, in that meal.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and if you’re you know, and if you’re not waking up energize you know, like when you know if you want to talk about sleep for a couple seconds.

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Patricia Boulogne: There, because it relates that people who eat late go to sleep they never get into that hundred and 10 minute cycle.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, of going from Stage one stage two Stage three and four, which is where the magic happens.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then Ram and the only reason why rem happens like always thinks it’s like when people walk around you know their sleep, you know is that they’re not exactly in Ram because if they were they’d be paralyzed.

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Patricia Boulogne: So they you know because they’re your body stops moving and then the magic and three and four during that cycle.

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Patricia Boulogne: was just usually after 30 Minutes that you’re falling asleep that’s the lights up that’s what you want to do during the daytime you want to go take a nap so you have better cognition you’re thinking better.

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Patricia Boulogne: you’re feeling better you’re moving better you get up and go back into your project and, like you can do more in less time that’s einstein’s time for me.

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Patricia Boulogne: Then that works great you know, but if you have you know our people who are taking melatonin as a supplement melatonin surges between one and four o’clock in the morning, so taking it to me makes absolutely zero sense.

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Patricia Boulogne: With you’re going to take a during the daytime as a supplement.

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Patricia Boulogne: it’s better to technology conan like just before you go to bed, if you really have a knowledge and efficiency, but you might not have a melatonin efficiency efficiency might be is that you’re not getting into the deep sleep.

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Patricia Boulogne: Because that’s where you know the brain detoxes the body, the Oregon state tax this where all that, and you know, like you, repair revitalize restore so we’re all the hormones.

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Patricia Boulogne: Do what they’re supposed to do and get you know rebalance out so that part of that sleep cycle is so important, you know, and you know, creating hygiene around your sleep in your ritual around sleep, you know turning the computer off or using the classes at night for um.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, for being on a computer you block out all that blue light from you, you know, and you it’s like it’s not affecting your limbic system it’s not like okay.

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Patricia Boulogne: How many more games, can I play my cell phone or, should I clean my closet out again.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, or having you know that thought process, you know ruminating and you can’t shut your brain off, you know the you know I always tell people as I, you know that hat chip that health pack it’s like if you can do something about what’s keeping you up go do it yeah.

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Patricia Boulogne: Exactly yeah and then give yourself permission to go sleep.

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Patricia Boulogne: And if you sell like laying there then get back up and write those keywords down because those keywords aren’t going to change some time you close your eyes and actually fall asleep.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know that, and then you can use things like binary beats white noise, you can chat you can listen to a book, you know our something like that got to get you back into that more sleepy stage yeah.

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kathygruver: I love that you said that because i’ve i’ve.

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kathygruver: done so many talks about sleep and I used to when I did like my workplace wellness talks I talked about sleeping food, all I think, and you know if you wake up in the middle of night and you’re laying there agonizing on whether you pay the mortgage or not get up and look like.

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Patricia Boulogne: don’t.

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kathygruver: try to convince you like go see if the stove is on go see I remember waking up in the middle, the night I I used to wear for rings.

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kathygruver: And during massage because I have to take the Rings off.

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kathygruver: And I woke up in the middle of the night and, for some reason, if I if I don’t feel my rings when i’m asleep at it kind of freaks me out somehow so I woke up the other night, and I could feel that I only had three of my four rings on.

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kathygruver: and the one that wasn’t there was my grandmother’s engagement ring and I had this year they get like two o’clock in the morning of.

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kathygruver: Oh, my God, I remember, putting them back on what if I dropped in the parking lot, as I was walking to my car, you know, and I was just I couldn’t get back to sleep and I finally said, you know what screw this.

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kathygruver: I gotta go look I got my car I drove to my office, I found the ring sitting in the dish I put it back on I drove home, I went back to sleep.

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kathygruver: I know that I would have agonized all night long wondering what happened to that ring, so I solve the problem you know people I think so many people feel like they they’re stuck they’re tied in they have to stay in bed.

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kathygruver: get up and salt you if it’s like you said if it’s something solvable.

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kathygruver: get up and solve the problem you know check on that thing that’s worrying you or do a brain dump you write it all out promise that you’re going to do in the morning.

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kathygruver: And then go back to sleep rather than driving yourself crazy so i’m so glad you said that because I have told people that for four years to just go solve the problem, so i’m very glad you said that.

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Patricia Boulogne: And also, you know that I think a big part two, is like really you know, setting the stage like you know and having a bed that support you and you know when you go to sleep say your affirmations.

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kathygruver: yeah.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, when you were you’re dealing with three brains and the one that’s going to that you got to keep on knocking off your shoulder the lizard brain.

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Patricia Boulogne: Like get the heck out of here, I only need you, if a saber toothed tiger is in front of me or someone’s going to try to run into my car and run a red light.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know that’s what I need you, other than that leave me alone.

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Patricia Boulogne: Because you have this you know relational brain and you have this reactionary brain, so that you can create better sequencing for positive events so when you have something positive that happens to you.

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Patricia Boulogne: You can get just used to like you know going scratching your head, you know the same place, you know, like every time you know, and if you start having a lot of them that’d be really great right.

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Patricia Boulogne: But you know you can click your fingers, you can touch your fingertips, you know and just tie ins is something.

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Patricia Boulogne: That when you feel really positive I mean if you have a boyfriend is an ex wife and she always used to sit in one chair never sit in that chair, you know they’re that mental association with this huge.

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Patricia Boulogne: In you know, then there’s little tricks of the trade to make that all kind of you know piecing together and put the pieces of the puzzle to gather.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know that way then you’re stronger, you know you’re more balanced you’re doing things that are beneficial mentally physically socially spiritually for your body that makes life a lot easier.

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Patricia Boulogne: And you know it’s just you know, and that, and you know, the whole thing see chiropractor you have a massage yeah you know I would love to be there with you for your next.

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kathygruver: So much stuff when you just said about the anchoring it we had Mike mendell who’s.

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kathygruver: One of the top hypnotist in the world on and he was talking about that awesome anchor that you when you get yourself.

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kathygruver: into that feeling good to go.

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kathygruver: awesome and so.

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Patricia Boulogne: That was me, does he.

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kathygruver: feel good you can look at that and fire that awesome anchor and get that feeling back so I love that you brought that up to it all comes back together Jason any words of course we’re out of time because that’s what we do.

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kathygruver: Anything final thoughts for you and then we’ll throw it back to you, Dr pat you could talk about how people can reach you and all that good stuff.

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Jason Mefford: Well, I think, for me, this is one where I got to go back and listen to this one again, one of those episodes where it’s like.

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Jason Mefford: Okay, I think I understood what you were saying there, but let me go back and look at that again but but but I love the idea, you know, again, as you said that it really is, I think I think you mentioned, there were five five different areas right.

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Patricia Boulogne: Then yeah.

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Jason Mefford: yeah the five pillars of health and that really if any of those are kind of out of whack than.

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Jason Mefford: that’s probably what’s going on right, and I think that’s you know that what what you got isn’t necessarily what you got.

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Jason Mefford: Right is is the idea, and the more that i’ve learned about this and kind of realized, you know, like that when people say you know you know I have this headache and it’s like.

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Patricia Boulogne: That.

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Jason Mefford: Well there’s reasons right, I mean there’s a.

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Jason Mefford: symptomatic reasons why you have a headache right.

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Jason Mefford: So, but the more that we get in tune with that and start realizing and thinking about these five different areas of our life.

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Jason Mefford: The more balanced, so we can end up being right because, like you said if somebody only focuses on exercise let’s say they go to the gym like a theme, for you know, two hours a day.

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Jason Mefford: But if they’re eating or there’s the toxins or there’s the other things in their life that are still not going to get the full effect out of their body only focusing on one or two right.

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Patricia Boulogne: Well it’s all it’s like a large piece of the pie, and you can’t really out exercise a bad diet yeah no matter who you are where.

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Patricia Boulogne: You can’t out exercise a bad diet and you know you have to honor your body at the sanctuary and you know, and if your body is like the energetic field is.

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Patricia Boulogne: Our you know physical field, you know if there’s something that’s out of balance, it makes more sense to fix it before it becomes a crisis.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, Western medicine Western medicine focuses on that you know, like what’s the matter with you what’s your symptom.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know, and you know people who are practitioners, who are in the functional lifestyle medicine realm are always looking for.

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Patricia Boulogne: You know what is it is that the root and what’s the cause of it, and then you can go into what where when why and how.

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Patricia Boulogne: To like get out of it because it isn’t really the diagnosis of the disease is what how is your how are you interacting with the environment that you’re in.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then, what can I do to make for my next step, like okay where’s my weakest link, you know I want to know my weakest link that’s because I want to fortify it.

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kathygruver: yeah absolutely.

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Patricia Boulogne: Right, and so you know there’s you know and that’s part of the reason why you know that my book, shows that, while you’re sick and tired.

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Patricia Boulogne: It shows that, so that you can kind of like identify it and then you can say now, I know.

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Patricia Boulogne: What my new year’s resolutions should be so I can you know not like blow out a week later, and just blow it off Now I know where I need to focus, so that I can be there for my family my kids and you know people who really matter to you.

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kathygruver: yeah I love that and what a beautiful What a beautiful place to end Dr pat why don’t you tell people where they can get in touch with you, where they can get your book what’s the best site all that good stuff.

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Patricia Boulogne: OK, I will start at the top, my website is health team network COM and people can find me on linkedin that’s how we met on linkedin and i’m sure you’ll have show notes with the actual link right and then Facebook, I have a business page there and I use instagram.

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Patricia Boulogne: And also i’m launching shortly dui stronger than medicine course that’s the basic course for people just to get you know some of the stuff that we talked about today, but kind of like start putting the glue together.

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Patricia Boulogne: And that will happen i’m in the middle of writing that right now so somebody wants to get in contact with me my email address is asked Dr pat and helping network.com.

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Patricia Boulogne: And that’s in my book, you can get on Amazon or any others other digital media’s that carry that but I always send people to Amazon it’s easy everyone.

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kathygruver: goes to Amazon based yeah exactly.

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Patricia Boulogne: girl Barnes and noble and.

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Patricia Boulogne: So that’s it.

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kathygruver: hey yay this is such a great conversation so right up my alley I mean it takes me back to.

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kathygruver: stuff that I was studying and doing years ago that I haven’t really thought about in a while so.

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Patricia Boulogne: Thank you something that’s where you go back to basics.

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kathygruver: I know exactly.

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kathygruver: yeah yeah.

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kathygruver: it’s just about going back to pay that’s that’s absolutely true, the basics water breathe poop put good thoughts in your brain yeah.

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Patricia Boulogne: And then everything will go.

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kathygruver: Perfect this is such a great conversation Dr Brett Thank you so much for meeting.

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Patricia Boulogne: is great.

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kathygruver: i’m counting Gruber, I can be reached at Kathy Gruber calm.

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Jason Mefford: And i’m Jason method, I can be reached the json method calm so go out get Dr pat’s book i’m going to be doing that afterwards here so that I can get myself a little bit more educated.

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Jason Mefford: And just start thinking about your whole health.

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Jason Mefford: And again, this is probably one of those episodes to go back and listen to again because there’s a lot of stuff in it so with that have a great rest of your week and we’ll catch you on the next episode of the fire and earth podcast see ya.

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kathygruver: See ya.

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Patricia Boulogne: awesome thanks you guys.

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